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NFL 2015 CC |OT| - A Fraud's Penultimate Step

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Draxal

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Probably all of them. Can you please advise me what I should do friend as I am in the dark on this game.


Unlike Peyton Manning and 90% of the NFL I don't take any performance enhancing drugs.

Its all natural baby.

Its helps that I don't masturbate 5 times a day to anime porn like half of GAF.

You should probably ebay and get the super special edition of the game since u could afford it.
 
Was Bradford's year better than Nick Foles in 2013?

Statistically? No. Having watched both though I fell a million percent better about Bradford being good going forward. That Foles season was always fools gold. Even when he was in the middle of it there were people pointing out how many open guys he was missing, or how often he would force passes into coverage but get away with it.
 

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
The guy had one of if not the best seasons in franchise history, and that is with the WR's dropping a record # of passes, and the OL being unable to open any holes in the running game.

So you're using the Cutler argument for overspending on Bradford?

I mean it's fine and all because, like you said, there's not a lot available right now. This QB drought just seems to get worse and worse.
 

Dragon

Banned
Was Bradford's year better than Nick Foles in 2013?

Not even close. Foles had like 9 yards per attempt that year. He was insane.

Edit: 9.12.

yankee thinking that Bradford had one of the best years in franchise history is absolutely positively patently false. 100% false.

McNabb himself had six years better than Bradford's year.
 

Godslay

Banned
Yes I know and someone who went 15 years without even a decent back up I understand the feeling of needing a QB but $25M for Bradford? Hell no, Tannehilll doesn't get that much and he has far more upside than Bradford. $18M would be the max for Bradford and that's with a big injury clause.

Yeah, $25M is outlandish, I agree. I don't think you can look at this year like the years prior though. Teams are going to have to pay for even a decent QB, at least that's what it looks like on the surface.

Was Bradford's year better than Nick Foles in 2013?

Yeah, he had a decent year. It was roughly an Alex Smith like year (minus the rushing). Who happened to make $17M this year. As far as Foles, he was garbage. Sam outplayed him by a long shot.
 

bionic77

Member
You should probably ebay and get the super special edition of the game since u could afford it.
Fuck that shit.

This week has been slow for me, but in general I barely have time to take a shit these days let alone play several versions of an epic 20+ hour strategy rpg of which there are apparently multiple versions.

Also, as much as I like Fire Emblem I never loved the characters and other extras that I saw. From what I remember it was too kiddy or weird porno shit so that I would not feel comfortable putting it in my office.
 
You think that there were 15 QBs last year that were better then him. wow!

1. Brady
2. Tavaris Jackson
3. Fitzmagic
4. Bortles
5. Big Ben
6. Dalton
7. Alex Smith
8. Teddy Bridgewater
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Kirk Cousins
11. Cam
12. Wussle
13. Carson


Brock Osweiler should be in there as well, but I guess the sample size could be argued to be too small. So top 15, yes, but not top 10.
 
So you're using the Cutler argument for overspending on Bradford?

I mean it's fine and all because, like you said, there's not a lot available right now. This QB drought just seems to get worse and worse.

What do you mean by Cutler argument? Cutler always put up numbers but he would turn the ball over a lot as well, and he is just a pouter and not a leader at all. All the Eagles players this year talked about what a great leader Bradford is, and he turned the ball over at the start of the year but really got that under control once he got more comfortable.
 

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
Fuck that shit.

This week has been slow for me, but in general I barely have time to take a shit these days let alone play several versions of an epic 20+ hour strategy rpg of which there are apparently multiple versions.

Also, as much as I like Fire Emblem I never loved the characters and other extras that I saw. From what I remember it was too kiddy or weird porno shit so that I would not feel comfortable putting it in my office.

Why don't you just hire a hot au pair like all the tv lawyers so you have time to do things?

What do you mean by Cutler argument? Cutler always put up numbers but he would turn the ball over a lot as well, and he is just a pouter and not a leader at all. All the Eagles players this year talked about what a great leader Bradford is, and he turned the ball over at the start of the year but really got that under control once he got more comfortable.

When Cutler got traded for and when he got his extension, it was mostly because the Bears don't have a history of having a good quarterback. I think they ran into the same problem of "well who else is there?".

Not equating the two players but I do think they're in the same tier.
 

Godslay

Banned
1. Brady
2. Tavaris Jackson
3. Fitzmagic
4. Bortles
5. Big Ben
6. Dalton
7. Alex Smith
8. Teddy Bridgewater
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Kirk Cousins
11. Cam
12. Wussle
13. Carson

Brock Osweiler should be in there as well, but I guess the sample size could be argued to be too small. So top 15, yes, but not top 10.

Maybe you're not so bad after all...
 

Dragon

Banned
1. Brady
2. Tavaris Jackson
3. Fitzmagic
4. Bortles
5. Big Ben
6. Dalton
7. Alex Smith
8. Teddy Bridgewater
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Kirk Cousins
11. Cam
12. Wussle
13. Carson


Brock Osweiler should be in there as well, but I guess the sample size could be argued to be too small. So top 15, yes, but not top 10.

Hoyer, Mariota, Eli, Carr and Ryan were better than Bradford too. Dude was below average. You can even argue for Tannehill being better as well.
 

Draxal

Member
Fuck that shit.

This week has been slow for me, but in general I barely have time to take a shit these days let alone play several versions of an epic 20+ hour strategy rpg of which there are apparently multiple versions.

Also, as much as I like Fire Emblem I never loved the characters and other extras that I saw. From what I remember it was too kiddy or weird porno shit so that I would not feel comfortable putting it in my office.

The real reason everybody wants the special edition is that has 3 versions on the same cart, the other special edition stuff is an art book/and 3ds cover/sleeve which is nothing.

White/Birthright/Hoshido = very much like awakening. Conquest/Black/Nohr has no world grinding and the maps are considered some of the best in the series, bit more hardcore than the other ones. The third stage Revelation lets you control units of both sides and is being released as dlc 2 weeks later.
 

MechDX

Member
What do you mean by Cutler argument? Cutler always put up numbers but he would turn the ball over a lot as well, and he is just a pouter and not a leader at all. All the Eagles players this year talked about what a great leader Bradford is, and he turned the ball over at the start of the year but really got that under control once he got more comfortable.


Didnt the players go to Bradford this year and tell him to be more of a leader? Wouldnt that be like a known prerequisite for an NFL QB and yet had to be told?
 

Hindl

Member
Sucks to have to pay so much but I would do it in a second.

He isn't worth that much

My point is that there really isn't a stat you could use, you just can't.



Yes I know and someone who went 15 years without even a decent back up I understand the feeling of needing a QB but $25M for Bradford? Hell no, Tannehilll doesn't get that much and he has far more upside than Bradford. $18M would be the max for Bradford and that's with a big injury clause. .

That is way more appropriate. Godslay equating Bradford to an Alex Smith-like year is accurate. Short dink and dunk, although Bradford can occasionally go deep. He can run the offense well and toward the end of last year he lowered his turnovers. $17-18M with an injury clause is appropriate, any more and he's gotta walk. Bradford's above average, and we have a solid foundation that needs a lot of work on this team. Having a decent QB to build around is much better than having to find another one, and if Bradford comes back for that, I'd be happy. But if he starts asking for more we'll have to find another one, probably spend a draft pick on Lynch or something
 

bionic77

Member
Why don't you just hire a hot au pair like all the tv lawyers so you have time to do things?
Spend too much time working, au pair can't do shit for that.

Also I think that is a pretty shitty way to raise your kids. Once you get into nannies and shit like that your kids might end up real fucked up. I don't want to wake up 10 years from now and see my kids wearing Patriots jerseys.

The correct answer is spend less money and have more time but I like most Americans can't make that tradeoff.
 
Hoyer, Mariota, Eli, Carr and Ryan were better than Bradford too. Dude was below average. You can even argue for Tannehill being better as well.

Carr I can get behind, Hoyer has been so up and down and he did win his division even though it's shit so he can go in there too.

Not sure about Mariota, if he's in then you can make a case for Winston. Ryan was shit though.

Get excite!!

I thought they always used the coaching staff from the championship game losers.

What a horrible, horrible idea

Elaborate pls
 

chuckddd

Fear of a GAF Planet
The following Steelers are having offseason surgery (so far):

Mike Mitchell
Jordan Berry
Ryan Shazier
Matt Spaeth
David DeCastro
Marcus Gilbert

Year was brutal.
 

Dragon

Banned
what about Tyrod Taylor?, I did a quit edit on my post.

Him too!

I would, considering what he had around him it's amazing what he did last year.

Exactly. His raw numbers are better, he played in a better division, and his WRs and OL were just as shitty.

Carr I can get behind, Hoyer has been so up and down and he did win his division even though it's shit so he can go in there too.

Not sure about Mariota, if he's in then you can make a case for Winston. Ryan was shit though.

I didn't watch a ton of Ryan, and not a huge fan of him, but his numbers are right there with Bradfords. Which I guess is probably an implication of Ryan considering the difference in WR strength there.

Say what you want about the Ravens paying 22 million to Flacco, AT LEAST HE WON THEM A SB BY PLAYING PERFECTLY. What exactly has Bradford done?
 

Godslay

Banned
That is way more appropriate. Godslay equating Bradford to an Alex Smith-like year is accurate. Short dink and dunk, although Bradford can occasionally go deep. He can run the offense well and toward the end of last year he lowered his turnovers. $17-18M with an injury clause is appropriate, any more and he's gotta walk. Bradford's above average, and we have a solid foundation that needs a lot of work on this team. Having a decent QB to build around is much better than having to find another one, and if Bradford comes back for that, I'd be happy. But if he starts asking for more we'll have to find another one, probably spend a draft pick on Lynch or something

Smith had a bit more YPA 7.42, to Bradford's 7.00 and they were both 65% completion. Bradford also had 62 more attempts on the season. So that reflects a bit more on his accuracy over Smith. Sam had more Ints, but Smith is historically conservative and doesn't take chances.

KC also had a better rushing O, so they weren't entirely one dimensional. Which obviously helps the QB.

I think Bradford could be better than Smith long term, at least as a pure passer. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him get at least as much as Smith given the state of the league. Was anyone complaining about paying Alex $17M this last year? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
 

Dragon

Banned
FUCK YOU NFL

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eznark

Banned
TD/INT is garbage.

TD%, INT% and A/YA are the big three. If you can find a good adjusted completion % then that's great as well.
 

Godslay

Banned
There's garbage, and then there's trash. Usually the FA market is garbage for QBs, but this year it's trash.

There's maybe 3 starters at best in this list.

Here's your list for 2016:

Sam Bradford
Chase Daniel
Drew Stanton
Chad Henne
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Moore
Matt Schaub
Bruce Gradkowski
Kellen Clemens
Matt Cassel
Tarvaris Jackson
Scott Tolzien
Brock Osweiler
Charlie Whitehurst
Kirk Cousins
Luke McCown
Joe Webb
Dan Orlovsky
Matt McGloin
Michael Vick
Case Keenum
Thaddeus Lewis
Josh Johnson
T.J. Yates
Matt Flynn
Brandon Weeden
Jimmy Clausen
Pat Devlin

Here's your list of QBs in the draft with a round grade on them:

Jared Goff
Paxton Lynch
Carson Wentz
Connor Cook
Christian Hackenberg
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Jake Coker
Brandon Doughty
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfeld
Cody Kessler
Brandon Allen
Jacoby Brissett
Jeff Driskel
Vernon Adams Jr.
Vad LeeInjured
Jake Rudock
 

MRSA

Banned
Probably all of them. Can you please advise me what I should do friend as I am in the dark on this game.


Unlike Peyton Manning and 90% of the NFL I don't take any performance enhancing drugs.

Its all natural baby.

Its helps that I don't masturbate 5 times a day to anime porn like half of GAF.

I have no idea what I'm doing either. Apparently Birthright is the easiest way to go with Conquest being punch yourself in the crotch kinda scenario.
 
Chase Dainels name keeps coming up in Philly. He is 30 years old and made $4m last year. It will be funny to see what all the let Bradford walk people are saying after watching Chase play for a few games.
 
There's garbage, and then there's trash. Usually the FA market is garbage for QBs, but this year it's trash.

There's maybe 3 starters at best in this list.

Here's you list for 2016:

Sam Bradford
Chase Daniel
Drew Stanton
Chad Henne
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Moore
Matt Schaub
Bruce Gradkowski
Kellen Clemens
Matt Cassel
Tarvaris Jackson
Scott Tolzien
Brock Osweiler
Charlie Whitehurst
Kirk Cousins
Luke McCown
Joe Webb
Dan Orlovsky
Matt McGloin
Michael Vick
Case Keenum
Thaddeus Lewis
Josh Johnson
T.J. Yates
Matt Flynn
Brandon Weeden
Jimmy Clausen
Pat Devlin

Here's your list of QBs in the draft with a round grade on them:

Jared Goff
Paxton Lynch
Carson Wentz
Connor Cook
Christian Hackenberg
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Jake Coker
Brandon Doughty
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfeld
Cody Kessler
Brandon Allen
Jacoby Brissett
Jeff Driskel
Vernon Adams Jr.
Vad LeeInjured
Jake Rudock

And other dolphin fans want to get rid of Tannehill...smh
 

Crisco

Banned
I'd say red zone production and what you do on 3rd down in obvious passing situations. Any competent offense with above average talent at skill positions can move the ball between the 20s with ease, as well as convert short yardage downs. Scoring TDs in the redzone and making the tough throw when the defense knows its coming is what separates the greats from the average starter.

Also, I'd rather go into a season with Scott Tolzien as my starter and go 0-16 than give Sam Bradford 25M/year. One bad season vs ruining your franchise for half a decade.
 

effzee

Member
Pretty sure the Eagles are retaining all those guys, so that seems fair to me. They are under contract with the Eagles. Chip seems to be interviewing RBs coaches to act as his OC in SF, the thought being maybe he is looking to change a bit from a ZBS scheme

Again the Bills RB/assistant Head coach.

I've never really heard much about the guy before so shocked that he got some HC consideration and now is going to be Chip's OC.

Chip not looking to bring over Shurmur or Davis is probably his smartest move.
 

effzee

Member
Bradford wants more than it would cost to tag him? Fat chance.

How can people keep getting this wrong?

This is what his agent asked for before the season when the Eagles were interested in extending. This is when the theory was if healthy the Eagles O would be top 3 and Bradford would be both MVP and comeback player of the year candidate.

None of that panned out and while he had a much better 2nd half of the season, there is no way he can demand that much.

Some cap report which came out a few weeks ago estimated his value to be in the 16-18m per year range.

I'd take him back if he came down from that and was closer to 13-15m.
 
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