yankeehater
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Great points. I have totally resigned myself to them losing Bradford. Sucks that it took them so many years to get a really good QB and then he is just gone after a year.
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Great points. I have totally resigned myself to them losing Bradford. Sucks that it took them so many years to get a really good QB and then he is just gone after a year.
I was reading up on Bradford's contract demands, and this was pointed out:
Salary avg. / Cap ceiling when signed = Percentage of cap at signing
Rodgers
$22M / $122M = 18.0%
Bradford
$25M / $155M = 16.1%
So it's not totally outlandish going by that figure. Obviously the percentage of cap decreases as cap ceiling expands and contract remains the same. So Rodgers as a percentage of cap number next year would be considerably less. Same would apply to Bradford if the cap rises over the years of contract.
So it's still high, but it's not totally crazy either.
Salary avg. / Cap ceiling when signed = Percentage of cap at signing
Rodgers
$22M / $122M = 18.0%
Bradford
$25M / $155M = 16.1%
So it's not totally outlandish going by that figure. Obviously the percentage of cap decreases as cap ceiling expands and contract remains the same. So Rodgers as a percentage of cap number next year would be considerably less. Same would apply to Bradford if the cap rises over the years of contract.
So it's still high, but it's not totally crazy either.
rokkerkory
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$25m for badford? hahahaha
Speaking comparatively about Rodgers and Bradford as quarterbacks is inherently outlandish.
Yeah idk if Pederson will be better than Chip, but he sure knows how to put a staff together. Seems like he knows that he doesn't know it all, which is what you want in a leader.
The big question is how much doesn't he know?
MrJoobJoob
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That $25mm figure was leaked by the Eagles front office I bet. It will soften the blow when they either sign him for $20mm, or tag + trade him.
yankeehater
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Yeah it is definitely high but it was also what his agent wanted before the season started. I am sure that he saw what Foles did in this offense and figured since he is infinitely better then Foles that he would put up crazy numbers. Obviously no one could have expected the WRs to drop so many passes, so that does change things. I really hope that the Eagles can resign him. Losing Chip was already so so terrible, dont want to also lose Sam.
I would be stunned if he got that. I'm expecting 15-18. But it's really just down to the market. I'm guess WAS keeps Kirk and CLE drafts a QB. What will SF do? DEN? Keep Kaep and Brock? Objectively, I just wouldn't trust Bradford's health enough to go all in. His injury this past season probably cost the Eagles a playoff spot and maybe Chip's job
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PFF had a FA profile of him. Strengths, weaknesses and possible landing spots
https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...landing-spots-for-free-agent-qb-sam-bradford/
I was honestly waiting for the bolded comment to be followed up with: "Drop so many passes form the best QB in the league under 25 years old: the great Matthew Stafford"
You have gone full Kas
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Himynameischris
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http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/21/new-dolphins-coach-gase-calls-tannehills-struggles-a-hiccup/
A little more info on what Gase is planning, they are building this staff to help out Tannehill which I guess is the best thing they could have done. So good job Ross, this is the first decision you've made that I don't totally hate.
A little more info on what Gase is planning, they are building this staff to help out Tannehill which I guess is the best thing they could have done. So good job Ross, this is the first decision you've made that I don't totally hate.
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I appreciate the cost analysis, but it's more complicated than that. Is Rodgers worth almost 1/5 of the Packers cap? I think everyone would agree yes. By comparison, at least at this point, Bradford is not worth roughly 1/6 of the Eagles cap. I'm hoping he comes back, but we have too many holes to fill and we can't go off of the last half of one season, promising as it was. Add in that he'd be learning a new system yet again, and I can't see him commanding a high price from the Eagles. And with Shurmur gone, I'm not seeing a big chance of Bradford coming back, but we'll just have to wait and see.
There's rumors that the Eagles want to retain him, but will let the market set the price. I think that's wise, since it could actually bring his price down. And if some team enters a bidding war, let them win and unfortunately try to draft a new QB. Regardless, given all of these positional hires, I'm a little more comfortable with the future of the team now than I was a week ago, Bradford or not
yankeehater
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You have gone full idiot. No one is saying he was the best QB last year, but he was really good in the 2nd half of the season and the WR's leading the league in drops is obviously going to affect his stats. You wanna talk about someone going full kas, how about you trying to hype up that garbage Mallett.
No one could have predicted the great Eagles WR corp of Riley Cooper, Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor and Josh Huff could have been shitty.
The difference between you and Mech is, he may hype someone up, but then when he realizes they're shit, he says so. WRs dropping passes will affect his stats. Even if the Eagles had the least amount of drops it wouldn't make Sam Bradford anything but below average.
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 2m2 minutes ago
#KState FB Glenn Gronkowski will be playing tight end at the Senior Bowl
Admitted I was wrong on Mallett and you still are hyping Bradford while everyone else is saying he isnt very good. Yeah.....
#KState FB Glenn Gronkowski will be playing tight end at the Senior Bowl
Admitted I was wrong on Mallett and you still are hyping Bradford while everyone else is saying he isnt very good. Yeah.....
skLaFarebear
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Keeping Tannehill clean will definitely have the most impact on his development, whether its increasing overall o-line play, helping his pocket awareness, or increasing the diversity in playcalling to keep the defensive line guessing. Tannehill's hits/sacks were the biggest problem with Miami's offense last season and I'm glad to see it didn't take him long to figure that out.
zswordsman
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So Jermaine Kearse straight up said he doesn't do hometown discounts. Any idea if anybody would even be interested in him?
I feel it's hit or miss, sometimes he does these crazy catches and then sometimes he just derps.
I feel it's hit or miss, sometimes he does these crazy catches and then sometimes he just derps.
Out of curiosity, how many times did he get hard knockdown?
Kearse derps. Seems legit, lol
Dutch Gronk
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He wants to keep all the good avocado ice cream recipes to himself!
How did he get so fat that he's riding a scooter though?
yankeehater
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How are we still having this discussion. You have clearly made up your mind so there is nothing left to say. If you think Bradford was below average the second half of the season then you are just dumb.
holy shit that's ironic.
I never said he was below average in the second half of the season. He had a below average season for an NFL QB. The fact you think that it was one of the best in franchise history (something you DID say yesterday) shows me that you're the one that needs to take a step back and stop taking the crazy pills.
Why are we talking about it? Because you keep bringing up that he deserves 25 million dollars a year.
Even with the drops Brdford wasn't close to below average during the 2nd half of the season.
Did you and yankeehater go to the same school of kids who can't read well?
Himynameischris
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Yeah that should be music to Tannehill (and Mrs. Tannehills) ears.
He has been sacked 184 times in the four years he's been in the league, (most of all QBs in those 4 years) and last year he was hit 107 times and he's been hit 371 times in 4 years. Don't know how many of those are hard....but I'm sure there were plenty.
His entire point was about Bradford's progression as the season went on.
He won't get resigned in Seattle unless he does end up taking a pay cut. Carroll is going to have to go Belichick style and let a lot of people walk as their deals expire and they want bigger contracts.
sf2fanatic
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Chandler's getting cut in the offseason
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/seasontype/2
Statistically Bradford was worse than:
Hoyer
McCown
Stafford
Cutler
Ryan
Bort
Fitz
Osweiler
He was 2/10s better than Gabbert though. #Positives
The list is long and distinguished
yankeehater
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4th most passing yards in franchise history
1st in completion percentage in franchise history
Outside of a few Mcnabb years the Eagles havent exactly had a lot of great years from QBs.
Once I saw that article about him playing after pissing blood that was enough to convince me. Sorry friend hopefully Gase can get an actual O Line for him and protect him a little more while he works his magic. How's the Dolphins cap? It looks like a pretty decent FA/draft for Guards and tackles, so he might get the help he needs
BlackGhost
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Again Browns fans, Browns leader Ez, and anyone else interested...
Sashi Brown and Paul Depodesta are having their intro press conferences at 12:30 pm est, in a few minutes
Sashi Brown and Paul Depodesta are having their intro press conferences at 12:30 pm est, in a few minutes
skLaFarebear
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Can't find the knockdown numbers but he took 45 sacks, which isn't more than usual, but he lost a total of 420 yards on sacks which is nearly 10 yards per sack. I think those numbers might have been inflated a bit by one really bad sack I can't quite remember, but the sacks are still the biggest drive killers for Miami.
Edit: nvm, chris found it, but my point still stands that keeping Tannehill clean has always been this offense's biggest problem.
Well everyone trots out Rodgers $22M as the benchmark as great player with a high salary. Problem is, that contract was cut when there was (projected anyways), 22% less cap than there will be in 2016. That's also a contract average, it wouldn't surprise me if Bradford's flash number looks somewhere in the neighborhood of $25M (probably less), but in reality be less "actual money" with the ability to dump him towards the end of the contract.
Salaries will rise, more so for QBs probably than any other position. If you look at what some QBs are due for next year, it really doesn't look as crazy as it does on first glance.
For example in 2016:
Brees -> $30M contract signed in 2012 (can cut for $10M dead cap hit to avoid)
Flacco -> $28.5M contract signed in 2013
Eli -> $24.2M contract signed in 2015
Ben -> $23.95M contract signed in 2015
Ryan -> $23.75M contract signed in 2013
Stafford -> $22.5M contract signed in 2013
Peyton -> $21.5M contract signed in 2015 (can cut for $2.5M dead cap hit to avoid)
Rivers -> $21M contract signed in 2015
Romo -> $20.35M contract signed in 2013
Cam -> $19.5M contract signed in 2015
Rodgers -> $19.25M contract signed in 2013
Little Hands -> $17.8M contract signed in 2014
After these guys, it drops considerably, to around the $17M mark.
These are actual salaries, not funny money averages. So it wouldn't surprise me to see Bradford get a pretty significant salary boost.
He's not getting 25M though. If we can get him for 15-18M then everything will be fine.
CrocMother
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My question is, why would Bradford even want to stay in Philly? If Texans give him comparable money he's gone. He's stated he doesn't like livin there, and he's going to have to learn a new system anyway. In Houston he's in a terrible division with a much better defense, better coach, closer to home, and has a top 5 WR.
Himynameischris
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Well we should be purging the defense so we'll have some cap space to sign a few FAs, I know there will be some Guards available (Sorry mech) so hopefully we can sign at least one. We are set at Tackles so we really just need depth there which wouldn't eat too much cap space, same with Center.
Yeah that and penalties from our recently departed Jason Fox would leave us with 3rd and forever almost ever drive. Like I said...it's amazing what Tannehill was able to accomplish last year with what he had on the field and off it.
If he goes anywhere else then it should be a tag and trade.
Sure.
His average might look high (I'm guessing in the low $20 millions), but his actual salary probably won't be that high. If that makes sense.
Contracts aren't always about comparison to peers, they are also about timing. It's pretty good timing for Bradford to be signing a contract as it looks like right now. Obviously a lot can change from here to FA, and during FA.
My thinking too. The Texans are pretty much set and playoff ready like you said, and the Jags and Titans are a few years away from competitiveness. And the Colts will continue to squander Luck's career. Combine that with his general luke-warmness on Philly and the Northeast and it isn't looking good. And yeah he's gonna have to learn a new system regardless. Pretty much our only chance of keeping him is if Houston doesn't want him for whatever reasoning
That's good to hear. But if the tackles and centers are alright then was it the O Line coach making bad blocking patterns? Or were your guards really that bad?
Philly doesn't even have the salary cap available currently to afford a franchise tag.
One of the best second halves? Please pick the top five players here and tell me which one of them is Bradford. Asterisked are the ones I picked.
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Player Comp Att Yards Comp % Y/A TD INT Sack
Player A 218 324 2,494 67.3 7.70 17 5 14
Player B 174 277 2,285 62.8 8.25 15 5 14*
Player C 151 222 1,664 68.0 7.50 9 4 14
Player D 205 293 2,179 70.0 7.44 19 2 22*
Player E 173 235 2,212 73.6 9.41 19 2 17*
Player F 180 295 2,235 61.0 7.58 18 8 26
Player G 168 249 2,146 67.5 8.62 25 2 14*
Player H 164 249 2,017 65.9 8.10 21 1 20*
Player I 156 236 1,872 66.1 7.93 11 6 19
Player J 137 202 1,517 67.8 7.51 11 4 17
Player K 135 231 1,757 58.4 7.61 10 2 19
Player L 178 282 2,031 63.1 7.20 10 7 25He may not even have one of the top 10 second halves for a QB this year. You guys are absolutely nuts. Did he do better in the second half? Yes. But that's not hard because his first half numbers were abominable.
McNabb had six better years than Bradford's year.
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