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[Elfforkusu]

You can't interfere with properly shielded electronics. And it makes absolutely no sense to simply induce such interference if your goal is to disrupt communication. Unplug it or mess with the switching.

Also an antenna in the parking lot would have to be massive and very high power to do such a thing.

The fuck? You're not interfering with the devices, you're interfering with the spectrum. Think the cell phone + computer speaker interaction.

You don't "shield". All you can do is increase the signal power to try to drown out the noise. (all the pats would have to do is make their their noise/interference generator is stronger than the headset's upper limit)

Stadium tunnel near the opponent's bench would be a lot easier than the parking lot...

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Did the Pats have the same issues though? The commentators said that the Pats stopped using their headsets "to keep it fair" or some shit like that, not because they were having communication issues themselves.

I had the commentary volume down for most of the game so I don't know if they changed or clarified things later.

They said they did. But apparently they lied.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Did the Pats have the same issues though? The commentators said that the Pats stopped using their headsets "to keep it fair" or some shit like that, not because they were having communication issues themselves.

I had the commentary volume down for most of the game so I don't know if they changed or clarified things later.

They did say that, then nothing was spoken of it again.

So they were having the same problems, AND they turned them off to be fair!

Just making sure to collect all the facts for good old Gata!

 

[KHarvey16]

The fuck? You're not interfering with the devices, you're interfering with the spectrum. Think the cell phone + computer speaker interaction.

You don't "shield". All you can do is increase the signal power to try to drown out the noise. (all the pats would have to do is make their their noise/interference generator is stronger than the headset's upper limit)

It wasn't a reception issue, it was an FM radio broadcast bleeding into the audio. That's happening at the source or the receiver and coupling into the analog audio.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

They said they did. But apparently they lied.

That part sounds about right tbf

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I see KHarvey is going for a Masters in Electronics to go with his other degrees.

In other news, Big Bang Theory to fire male cast and hire KHarvey to save money.

 

[msdstc]

Damn Tomlin is steamed: https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/642184449497669632

This is the sour grapes people talk about. GImme a break your team played like DOG SHIT. Radios didn't force DHB out of the end zone. Radios didn't blind every defefnder on the field with the ball right next to them. Radios didn't have scobbee miss 2 fg. Take that L like a man.

 

[PhoenixDark]

13th without Golden Tate

22nd with Golden Tate

Stafford got sacked 45 times last year behind an injured o-line that was trotting out 4th stringers. Not to mention the issue of learning a new offense, often without Megatron healthy or on the field. Add in Stafford being Stafford (ie inaccurate) and you had a recipe for disaster.

If the offense isn't signifigantly better this year...Stafford has to go. I really want to hear Kas' views on this. If the offense is relatively healthy this year there is NO excuse not to put up near Madden numbers. Healthy Megatron, Tate, Ebron over the middle, Abdullah and Riddick in the backfield...he has every weapon he could possibly want.

 

[JaMarco]

We need a Talib-like trade this year or our D will go back to sucking again.

 

[Elfforkusu]

It wasn't a reception issue, it was an FM radio broadcast bleeding into the audio. That's happening at the source or the receiver and coupling into the analog audio.

That is the definition of radio interference.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

That part sounds about right tbf

All credit goes to deaconknowledge

 

[KHarvey16]

I see KHarvey is going for a Masters in Electronics to go with his other degrees.

In other news, Big Bang Theory to fire male cast and hire KHarvey to save money.

The adults are talking.

 

[Eleuin]

I don't think I saw a lot of Brandon Boykin in the slot, whats up with that? Is he in the doghouse or something

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

The adults are talking.

I know, but you keep interrupting.

 

[KHarvey16]

That is the definition of radio interference.

You don't get FM signals coupling into properly grounded and shielded electronics. I don't think you're following what they actually experienced.

 

[Crisco]

Seriously, all but one of Gronk's catches he was wide the fuck open. That goes beyond in-game coaching and communication, every defender on that field should know "don't leave the giant who catches the ball open".

 

[eznark]

Stafford got sacked 45 times last year behind an injured o-line that was trotting out 4th stringers. Not to mention the issue of learning a new offense, often without Megatron healthy or on the field. Add in Stafford being Stafford (ie inaccurate) and you had a recipe for disaster.

If the offense isn't signifigantly better this year...Stafford has to go. I really want to hear Kas' views on this. If the offense is relatively healthy this year there is NO excuse not to put up near Madden numbers. Healthy Megatron, Tate, Ebron over the middle, Abdullah and Riddick in the backfield...he has every weapon he could possibly want.

Whatever the excuses are, it's false to pretend the offense was better with Tate. He simply took some touches that CJ would have gotten. The offense was less explosive, less efficient, and less effective.

 

[Elfforkusu]

The adults are talking.

Speak for yourself, I don't see any here.

You don't get FM signals coupling into properly grounded and shielded electronics. I don't think you're following what they actually experienced.

Not accidentally, you don't!

I do find it likely that the NFL's stuff isn't perfect, this isn't supposed to require military grade tech.

 

[eznark]

KHarvey wrote and directed Loose Change.

 

[jbug617]

Steelers who defended Gronk 5 catches.

@ChrisBurke_SI: Gronk had five catches. He was covered on those receptions, respectively, by: Robert Golden, no one, Will Allen, no one, Terence Garvin.

 

[KHarvey16]

Speak for yourself, I don't see any here.


Not accidentally, you don't!

It was NFL controlled equipment and had a grounding issue.

You're embarrassing yourself now.

 

[Elfforkusu]

It was NFL controlled equipment and had a grounding issue.

You're embarrassing yourself now.

With all due respect (the balance is rather small), I don't think I am.

 

[DMczaf]

Steelers who defended Gronk 5 catches.

No One held his own out there.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Steelers who defended Gronk 5 catches.

Steel curtain

 

[CitizenCope]

We don't need anymore "How old are you?" threads on GAF. This thread confirms we are all 15. Go Patriots! =)

 

[Narag]

Steel curtain

last time i saw something that goofy was that year a hole in the zone provided better coverage than jason david

 

[msdstc]

So how many people think the NFL messed with the headsets in a plot to stoke the flames, muhahaha.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Throwing to an uncovered guy, pretty sure that's cheating.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

If both teams used Beats with a Zalman mic then this wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[Trey]

Steelers who defended Gronk 5 catches.

so on 5 catches he was covered by no one. Got it.

 

[The Albatross]

Patriots and steelers have identical radio issues. NFL controls radio communications. Players anecdotally say they have issues at every stadium around the league.

Patriots cheated.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

lol he looks weird as fuck

 

[DrForester]

So how many people think the NFL messed with the headsets in a plot to stoke the flames, muhahaha.

Based on what we learned from Deflategate, the NFL trying to manufacture a new scandal against the Patriots would not be that big a leap...

 

[KHarvey16]

With all due respect (the balance is rather small), I don't think I am.

If you really don't want to, take a step back and re-evaluate the facts as we know them and look up anything you might need to.

The idea that the patriots would either modify or damage NFL equipment during a game without anyone noticing, or magically interfere with the headset signal by...I don't even know, intercepting it and injecting a superimposed FM radio broadcast on top of it and re-transmitting it to their headset? That doesn't even make sense.

The other option is the NFL equipment malfunctioned or wasn't being used properly and FM audio coupled into either the analog circuits at the source or the receiver. Probably the source if both sidelines experienced the issue.

 

[jWILL253]

2015: Everything was a coincidence.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

lol he looks weird as fuck

Our first Arab QB!

 

[Narag]

2015: Everything was a coincidence.

I smell a week 2 title.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Also, Steelers got killed by Edelman and Gronk and both never played in the preseason.

 

[cdyhybrid]

lol he looks weird as fuck

Moses?

If you really don't want to, take a step back and re-evaluate the facts as we know them and look up anything you might need to.

The idea that the patriots would either modify or damage NFL equipment during a game without anyone noticing, or magically interfere with the headset signal by...I don't even know, intercepting it and injecting a superimposed FM radio broadcast on top of it and re-transmitting it to their headset? That doesn't even make sense.

The other option is the NFL equipment malfunctioned or wasn't being used properly and FM audio coupled into either the analog circuits at the source or the receiver. Probably the source if both sidelines experienced the issue.

This is where your train of thought derails. It doesn't matter if anyone notices. They got caught red-handed and got away with it by simply taking the issue to court, because Goodell couldn't form a case against a murderer if he had video evidence of the killing.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Our first Arab QB!

maybe he's going for that sweet dan fouts beard!

 

[Crisco]

Our first Arab QB!

That's not Doug Flutie.

 

[Elfforkusu]

If you really don't want to, take a step back and re-evaluate the facts as we know them and look up anything you might need to.

The idea that the patriots would either modify or damage NFL equipment during a game without anyone noticing, or magically interfere with the headset signal by...I don't even know, intercepting it and injecting a superimposed FM radio broadcast on top of it and re-transmitting it to their headset? That doesn't even make sense.

The other option is the NFL equipment malfunctioned or wasn't being used properly and FM audio coupled into either the analog circuits at the source or the receiver. Probably the source if both sidelines experienced the issue.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...used-of-tampering-with-communications-before/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_compatibility

Magic!

e: The argument isn't that the Pats 100% definitely did something intentionally. The argument is that they have in the past (yes), it's within the realm of feasibility that could've done something tonight (yes), and that whether it's an unlucky coincidence or not, those things make it suspicious.

 

[KHarvey16]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...used-of-tampering-with-communications-before/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_compatibility

Magic!

You can't interfere with a 2.4GHz digital signal using an analog FM signal and have it play audio on the other end. This is super basic stuff. I told you to look anything up you didn't know.

Headsets that stop working completely makes way more sense in the context of someone doing it intentionally, but that isn't what happened here.

 

[Corran Horn]

 

[Elfforkusu]

You can't interfere with a 2.4GHz digital signal using an analog FM signal and have it play audio on the other end. This is super basic stuff. I told you to look anything up you didn't know.

Headsets that stop working completely makes way more sense in the context of someone doing it intentionally, but that isn't what happened here.

Who said they used an analog FM signal as interference?

 

[Sanjuro]

lol he looks weird as fuck

He looks like middle eastern Nomar Garciaparra.

 

[KHarvey16]

Who said they used an analog FM signal as interference?

The interference was sportcasters on the local FM radio overlayed on their audio.

 

[jbug617]

Steelers are going to beast on offense when Bell and Bryant get back.

I hope they can take out Baltimore.

Here is what the NFL said about the headsets

 

[Elfforkusu]

The interference was sportcasters on the local FM radio overlayed on their audio.

So what we're saying is the audio content (i.e. the payload) was the sportcasters on the FM radio station.

If it had been the Beatles blasting inside a 2.4GHz signal, would that make it impossible because vinyl can't interfere with radio?

 

[KHarvey16]

So what we're saying is the audio content (i.e. the payload) was the sportcasters on the FM radio station.

If it had been the Beatles blasting inside a 2.4GHz signal, would that make it impossible because vinyl can't interfere with radio?

So again, your potential scenario here is the patriots intercepted the radio traffic and somehow prevented it from reaching the headset, and then took the local FM sports station and overlayed it on top of the normal audio, then digitized and encoded that specific mix for transmission back to the Steelers headset?

Because that would be dumb.