yankeehater
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After watching butt fumble struggle against that terrible Dolphins D, I think I would rather see what Thad Lewis can do.
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NFL 2015 Week 10 |OT| - A Fraud is Not Clearly Better Than Blaine Gabbert
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I think LJ covered it best, in that when you have someone like Gronk all the short stuff just opens up. It's easy mode at that point.
Not to mention that most undervalue Edelman's playmaking ability. He's also razor sharp in the short stuff, and up until yesterday pretty durable. It's still Gronk, Brady, Edelman in terms of importance on that offense. We saw it in 2013, when they were largely ineffective in the AFCCG with Gronk out.
The_Darkest_Red
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And you think that was the Dolphins best game with all of their top players healthy? Give me a break. Have you ever heard of Neville Hewitt?
Sturgis was a Dolphins cast-off, don't expect sympathy from me on him missing a FG, lol.
The Eagles had two good drives the entire game. "Stomping the fuck out of the Fins." Ooooooooooooookay.
Eagles are mediocre at best, my friend.
I will limit my critique of that game to wanting Miles Austin fired into the Sun. I never want to see his loafing, skittish ass again. How he keeps getting so many snaps is beyond me. Other guys may suck but at least they try. He sucks and doesn't try or care
He was spoiled when he was in Dallas. Wanted the fame. At least Dez is trying, except for the final pass though... XD
Sanchez is good enough to beat the Bucs and Lions. A fresh Bradford to kill the Pats is going to be nice.
Well to be honest we don't want Sturgis either. Our GOAT is just injured
yankeehater
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Riley Cooper came back from his injury on 10/19, guess how many catches he has since then.
0!
Gronk starts that matchup game, and everyone benefits from that point forward. Although, people underestimate how important someone like Edelman is to an offense like this. Gronks always going to get his, but Edelaman is generally going to get upwards 10 targets a game, and is the guy Brady is going to on third down. When you have Lewis it's even easier. Can't take focus off Gronk so you get situations were there are linebackers on a running back or a linebacker on Edelman. A player like Edelman/Welker is what makes the offense so efficient. Chains are always moving, and you get more opportunities to get a good matchup for Gronk. Can't easily replace chain moving slot guys who get targeted often.
Terrible.
If Pats fans say that we would be scary with him, that always means the opposite.
Bitanator
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Miles gave his soul to make that amazing one handed push up touchdown against the 49ers in 2011, he was never the same after that
If he doesn't turn the ball over and puts points up I think we can still rely heavily on the defense to win us games
Cooper has even less catches than 0!
He caught 0 passes, and Miles sucked on Sunday, but we have to ride with them. Hopefully Chip lights a fire under some asses.
Himynameischris
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Eagles Gaf, sorry but you lost to a terrible Dolphins team, we had scrubs on defense and it's not like we had our best players out there to start. We went out there without Wake or Grimes and Jenkins. Suh and Jones were the only other starting caliber players out on defense. On offense we are terrible and we scored a TD from the red zone. There is little to feel good about from either team yesterday. I can't even decided which unit is worse, the D-Line, LBs or secondary. They all have one good player each. We are terrible from top to bottom.
Had a lot of fun at the Raiders game yesterday but I was pretty disappointed with their performance all around. The offense fell completely flat the first quarter and seemed way too conservative with passing plays throughout the game. I think a lot of that had to do with missing Hudson. Carr was getting pressured a lot more than usual which didn't give their receivers enough time to get open. Special teams allowing that kickoff return was just pathetic and killed any momentum the Raiders had going into the half. Props to the Vikings though, they have a stout D and are great at managing the pace of play on offense. AP is a beast.
The_Darkest_Red
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Agreed. Dolphins have essentially no depth on defense and half of their good players were hurt leaving bad starters and no name backups. 20 points against that defense is embarrassing, end of story.
On a different note, why doesn't Ajayi get more carries? Dude looks electric whenever he touches the ball.
I agree, but you almost have to look at him like a rookie. He's going to make mistakes, and teams are going to try to confuse him and probably will.
I'm hopeful he's good, but I'm trying to base my expectations in reality.
yankeehater
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There is no fire that can cure lack of ability. I really think that Cooper and Austin are the worst pair of outside WR's in NFL history. Cooper will fight for balls, and even catch some, but he is never open, Austin gets open all the time, but cant catch anything.
Cooper sucks too, but he is playing hurt. Huff has stone hands but he had a nice TD catch, and gives a general fuck. Cooper had zero targets and zero catches, Austin had no catches on 4 targets:
-Deep ball that he let get raked away
-INT he didn't try and breakup
-TD he couldn't manage a toe drag on that 95% of other receivers could
-Crossing route he didn't want to extend for and take a big hit
But people are forgetting the downside of Sanchez when they mention his movement and aggressiveness. He almost killed JMatt on a hospital ball and blew the game with that INT. Bradford, as much as he sucked early in the year, wouldn't have lost that game
Himynameischris
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The same reason Miller doesn't get more carries....Lazor is an idiot? I mean seriously why aren't we a running team? The O-line grades well in run blocking and terrible in pass blocking, but we are calling 5 set drop backs from inside our own endzone when miller is averaging like 5.4 ypc....I'm so done with this offense.
The_Darkest_Red
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That play was absolutely embarrassing.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
The only hope is the Browns down by at least 1 at some point with time left in the 4th quarter
At the very least Rando should keep the hair on whatever av he gives you
I'm not complaining about it or blaming it on the lass but holy shit was Lawson handsy. I haven't seen a corner get away with that much bullshit in years. Kind of baffling given the types of shit that gets called week in and week out to see an anomaly like that. (Going back and watching it again, so...random observations inbound)
The_Darkest_Red
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I think he feels scared to run when they are losing... which is basically always.
Dolphins defense is so bad. Sooooooooo bad.
The Albatross
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Here's the thing, Brady can still throw a deeper pass, and Manning can not. Teams have played up on Manning all year this year, tempting them to throw deep, and Manning just can't do it anymore.
Particularly, watch this last int by manning:
https://youtu.be/Ggsqth0nw6g?t=1m50s
3rd and 11, Chiefs play the sticks on the outside (Demarius Thomas?), have 2 LBs playing under, have 2 safeties playing the sticks, which means that Cody Latimer has 1 on 1 on the outside, and Manning just throws the ball 5-10 yards too short. At any other time in his career, he'd lead Latimer and it'd either be a big gain to Latimer or harmless out of bounds/past him. He can't hit that pass now, and the defenses are playing under, letting him throw it.
Brady can still hit those intermediate to deep passes. I'm not talking 40+ yards in the air, but decent throws.
This is a similar situation for Brady last week against Redskins:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...ots-Dion-Lewis-drops-deep-pass-from-Tom-Brady
It's a 3rd and ~5 maybe, and Lewis has 1 on 1 coverage, beats him, and Brady throws a perfect pass 35 yards in the air and across the field. Lewis drops the easy touchdown because of the sun, but Brady can still hit those passes. Manning, unfortunately, cannot.
Another to Lewis:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...riots-Tom-Brady-finds-Dion-Lewis-for-40-yards
Here's a few more from this season:
http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/10/18/highlight-tom-brady-hits-keshawn-martin-deep-39-yards
Brady can still throw intermedia to deep, obviously not on the level of Rodgers or any other stud passer, but deep enough. Manning, even in earlier games this year, just can't get it there... Maybe from injury, maybe from age, or over-use, or whatever. It means teams can exclusive play short on them. On the deeper passes Manning has made this year, he's thrown his whole body into the throw, taking several steps up and hurling it. Kansas City got good pressure and prevented Manning from making those step up throws, and he short armed most of them.
FrenchMovieTheme
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You'll get back on track this week
DeaconKnowledge
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LevelNth told me Gabbert was going to become a franchise QB this week.
Plasticine
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I hope you wind up with the creepiest anime kitty avatar he can drudge up from the depths of DeviantArt.
Chip is defending him in the PC, saying those are tough plays blah blah blah
And I agree with you guys that the Phins suck! The offense is so bad. One real drive all game that resulted on a TD only after a comically tipped ball TD. I was bummed to see Tanny so clueless on those blitzes. A QB has to know when a guy may come of the corner unblocked. His clock is broken, or he just doesn't recognize that guy might blitz.
After the game Lane Johnson said that Suh loafs most of the time but for some reason decided to start trying yesterday, and sure enough, he starts dominating the interior of the line in the 2Q. He at least earned his money one week
:jnc
That's exactly what I said.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Miami has 5 games at home, so no need to really worry about the cold.
Probably won't matter, anyway. there are like, what? 10 teams in the AFC that has a 4-5 record? I really don't care how awful we are. It'd be nice to make the playoffs.
Probably won't matter, anyway. there are like, what? 10 teams in the AFC that has a 4-5 record? I really don't care how awful we are. It'd be nice to make the playoffs.
Himynameischris
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Yup once we go down even just 7, it's nothing but pass/pass/pass/punt or some stupid long developing trick play.
I guess Manning has been hiding this from the team going all the way back to July.
One has to think that it's a couple of issues:
1. Didn't want to lose job to Brock.
2. Wanted a chance at those records.
3. Didn't have the self-awareness to determine how hurt he was.
Kind of irritates me that he wasn't honest, team wouldn't have had to fight against the poor play on the O and by Manning. Feels pretty selfish, and I thought PM would be better than that considering they flat out gave him the chance to comeback and play one more year.
Also, don't fool yourself, Brady's deep ball sucks. His time is coming too.
One has to think that it's a couple of issues:
1. Didn't want to lose job to Brock.
2. Wanted a chance at those records.
3. Didn't have the self-awareness to determine how hurt he was.
Kind of irritates me that he wasn't honest, team wouldn't have had to fight against the poor play on the O and by Manning. Feels pretty selfish, and I thought PM would be better than that considering they flat out gave him the chance to comeback and play one more year.
Also, don't fool yourself, Brady's deep ball sucks. His time is coming too.
The_Darkest_Red
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Not gonna happen. 0-4 record in the division plus the Bills, Jets, Steelers, Chiefs, and Raiders are simply better teams. Just let it go, man.
Why wouldn't they just let him walk? Get out of his contract and hire a competent coach.
DeaconKnowledge
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It's one issue. Well two - the other being the ever present I want to win a Super Bowl.
It truly surprises me that you think O'Brien still has that kind of sway. O'Brien threatens to leave, for sure the Texans tell him to get fucked.
yankeehater
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HAHAHA!!! No way is he in a position to ask for more control.