Grover Cleveland
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So what happens in the totally unlikely, yet completely predictable, scenario that the Bucs fuck up and pick Mariota over Winston?
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NFL Draft 2015 |OT| With the First Pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
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Dutch Gronk
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It gets one Every year, didn't see you complain then.
We check and see if gutshot is okay.
ViperVisor
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Rockstar Beaver
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As much as I think Kaep is overrated... I think that would be the better option for Philly. I highly doubt SF would be willing to trade Kaep at this point.
Thanks for the chart the proves nothing. Yes, I'd take a number of players in that same range (which is meaningless) over Mariotta as well.
How are they at all similar other than the fact that they're both black?
That would be the worst. But I don't see it happening.
That was discussed a month or so ago, when it was rumored that Kaepernick might be available. But nothing really came of it. Personally, I think Chip would prefer Mariota over Kaepernick unless they could get Kaep for a song.
Potential head case. Vince young would have been fine if he wasn't a head case. Jameis can be fine but he has some head case tendencies.
And the blatantly obvious fact that I was talking about the Titans taking him, and they previously took Vince young.
Kaep was never available except maybe in the dreams of some bay area media who want him gone really badly because he doesn't smile during his interviews.
Chip would be a fool to want Mariotta over Kaep but I understand they have a history.
Prove that I didn't
Terrible meaningless list is terrible meaningless list.
Vince Young didn't appear to have any problems before the draft and Jameis's problems haven't looked like anything that happened with Vince. As for your second part, do you also say that any running back they draft would be Eddie George 2.0? Why couldn't Jameis be a second Steve McNair?
This is the time of year people make the laziest comparisons possible.
The silver lining is that in 2 years when Mariota is benched I can revel in the bitter sweet victory of saying I told you so to Bucs fans who wanted him over the Pirate King Jameis.
@ jfoul he's working on his release time and form, should be quicker with practice. it was much quicker at the combine, saw a breakdown on some pro football focus show.
Skiptastic
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To be fair, complaining seems much more natural for ez than not. So I gotta side with him on this one, Dutch. Show your evidence, Phoenix Wright style, please.
The Albatross
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Worth noting that the Eagles have been relatively successful with QBs who are either below Kaep on that list (Foles) or don't even appear (Sanchez). If you had to pick between Kaep and Mariotta, contracts aside, Kaep is obviously the better choice. When the contract comes into it, who knows.
There are still a lot of questions as to whether MAriotta can play in the NFL, and while Kaepernick has flaws (glaring ones now that defenses have adjusted to him), he's proven that he can cut it in the NFL.
Not happening. If the Bucs have the #1 pick, they're drafting Winston.
I'm glad to see you post in a thread you feel doesn't need to exist. Thanks for the input.
I'd take Kap if he was available. He isn't.
Kaep's only glaring flaws were an offensive line that didn't allow him to ever get his feet set, receivers that couldn't get any separation and an offensive system that aimed to move football back 50 years. My guess is that there is no way the 49ers were open to dealing him under 'any' circumstances.
Grover Cleveland
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I said it was totally unlikely.
But the Bucs aren't exactly known to make good decisions.
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I'm waiting on the inevitable Jamarcus comp to complete the trinity.
RGIII is better than Cam Newton and the Panthers should beg for a trade
A shame that you can't in that case.
I thought you wanted a thread to talk football, seems like more football talk going on here than the offseason thread.
Yep
I wanted the football thread to talk about football, but apparently it is so far gone that to talk football we need a new thread!
Indeed. The horror!
NFL-GAF needs its own OT forum where they can post about anime, video games and comic book movies to their heart's content.
PhoenixDark
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Funny how black QBs are only compared to black QBs...
Grover Cleveland
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Robert Griffin III playing behind the Panthers' offensive line last year would have lasted exactly...a quarter and a half. Maybe.
ViperVisor
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He throws a ton of screens.
His problem really is holding the ball. On plays where he is asked to be an NFL QB he fails. On passing situations vs pass coverage he sucks. Doesn't see where to go with the ball.
The sacks taken after 3 seconds, the fumbles, the interceptions.
Remember lord of the trolls Skip Bayless' Andrew Luck INT turrets when 2.9% of his passes were to the other team? RGIII was 2.8% in 2014.
Alligatorjandro
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Please. We talk a lot about football. We just had a mock draft.
It's so damn hilarious and sad. People are always limiting their comparisons to guys of the same race, as if there aren't a bunch of other quarterbacks that guy could be compared to (if you have to do a comparison at all). Every white quarterback who can run gets compared to Fran Tarkenton, every short white receiver is the next Wes Welker, and every black quarterback gets at least one guy comparing them to Michael Vick no matter what.
Dutch Gronk
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Eznark was banned during last years draft.
So there is not a single complaint on record from last year.
Case closed.
Jameis is obviously hoping to be a Rofflescheeseburger v2.
Jamarcus was a lazy pants and Jameis isn't.
Byron Leftwich had a run in with the mob as a teenager and never managed to get the concrete off his legs. Jameis can take off of necessary and do a good job at shifting on the pocket to buy a little time.
Vince young turned out to be a head case, and Jameis has that potential in my opinion. I still think that comparison had nothing top do with race.
Jamarcus was a lazy pants and Jameis isn't.
Byron Leftwich had a run in with the mob as a teenager and never managed to get the concrete off his legs. Jameis can take off of necessary and do a good job at shifting on the pocket to buy a little time.
Vince young turned out to be a head case, and Jameis has that potential in my opinion. I still think that comparison had nothing top do with race.
The_Darkest_Red
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The Russell-Winston comparison is racist to the point where you can't even hide it. It's just an awfully inaccurate comparison.
Marcus Tuiososopo, obviously.
ScottSullivan
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I want the 49ers to go DT/OG in the first two rounds. That's how you build a fucking team.
Okay, with my comparison with white QB's let's go with Manziel. Both made boneheaded mistakes in college. Manziel has kept making them, and I wouldn't be shocked if Winston continued as well. My comparison to Russell was because Winston already has a gut, wouldn't shock me if he shows up out of shape to camp. Also, Russell had unbelievable athletic skills (unlike Manziel) but had horrible attitude and dedication.
You guys got me, I sure am a racist. NFL threads always this touchy?
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