Ryan Tannehill.
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NFL Draft 2015 |OT| With the First Pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
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Ryan Tannehill.
Roethlisberger would've been a much better comparison than Vince Young, down to the issues Ben had being accused of sexual assault. At the very least, saying that Winston is could be the next Vince Young because the Titans drafted him is the absolute laziest way to draw a comparison between two players.
As long as he's as good as Shaun King I'll be happy.
What about the other six years?
WesternHeretic
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I wonder how many of us are getting ban tonight.
#DisrespectfulThursday has moved to prime time.
Oh and Go Hawks as always!
#DisrespectfulThursday has moved to prime time.
Oh and Go Hawks as always!
Honestly, if you connect the dots, I think he is right. The Chargers are out. The Browns are out. The Jets were never in it to begin with. Who else is trading up to 2 for Mariota? The Eagles may be bidding against themselves at this point.
Of course, the Titans could always just take Mariota at 2. Does Chip call their bluff and then hope Mariota starts sliding? I think if that happens, the Eagles would still have to trade up and leapfrog Cleveland at 12 as I think their interest in Mariota is real, they just don't want to have to give up a lot to get him at 2.
I always laugh when I here the Luck INT thing. His volume of throws is pretty high, and when ranked amongst other QBs in that area up to that point in his career it's about normal.
Not to say he doesn't make some really bad throws.
Oh, alright then.
The_Darkest_Red
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I thought comparing Winston to Russell was as lazy as you could get... I take it back. Winston-Manziel is the new frontrunner.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I wish I got tickets to the draft, so I could start up the "quack" chant from Mighty Ducks when Tennessee is on the clock.
manzoman96
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Me neither. I don't think giving him and Kendricks up would be a good idea.
Yeah I've been watching Draft Academy and it seems like he does. George Whitfield has helped his mechanics quite a bit. Winston has an unbelievable arm. I'm still not sure what happened to him this last season with all the interceptions though.
You're like Kas when it comes to your coach
PhoenixDark
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Not saying you're racist, obviously. I just find it interesting that the media always makes these comparisons and fans fall for it too. Jameis isn't as athletic as Russell. He's smarter than Russell. Even the Manziel comparison doesn't make sense; Jameis is a better passer but isn't as athletic/fast. And while Jameis has off the field problems I haven't seen anyone question his dedication or knowledge of the game, unlike Manziel.
I've seen people compare Jameis to Vince Young too, which doesn't make any sense for the same reasons Manziel doesn't make sense.
Alligatorjandro
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I would like Shane Ray to fall to the patriots
Violence Jack
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Same here. But I think Winston is quite a bit more mobile than Leftwich was. I also think Winston's delivery speed is going to get him killed behind that Bucs O-Line without a decent running game. If I were the Bucs, that would be my first two picks: QB and a strong RB like TJ Yeldin.
The_Darkest_Red
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Trying to force throws to below average WR's in games they were often losing. There were also times when he would completely miss a LB floating in coverage which is a little troubling.
Winston isn't afraid to go for it which I think is a great quality if it can be refined by experience and good coaching. Otherwise you get Chad "Checkdown" Henne.
Me neither... Losing Curry/Cox/Kendricks (if that's the cost) would be rough, especially since the defense IS the problem for us. If you really want to develop a QB, just draft someone like Hundley if he's there in the 2nd and develop him under Bradford. I'm sure he has the tools to succeed in Chip's offense.
And he wont have to cheat!
Well yeah we are not the Colts
Well it's a comparison, nothing is exact. My comparison with Manziel is just due to the off-field problems and the worries that teams will have when thinking of drafting him.
Winston has many times more talent than Manziel and they don't play anything alike.
Yeah I don't think his QB coaching at FSU was that great. If anything he regressed this last year. So many times he would be awful all game and then turn it around at the end.
He's definitely fearless as far as slinging the ball in tight spaces, but those windows are even tighter in the pros.
Dedication to rape if thats what you mean.
Drugs are one thing. Behavior problems dont go away.
The_Darkest_Red
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Same here, Dolphins-bro!I really hope Miami pick DeVante Parker (WR) but I fear he's going to get picked 1 or 2 before Miami's turn
LyleLanley
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Good thing that's not a problem in the NFL.
The Colt Way.
The 49ers have so many needs it is scary. I'd go OL > WR > CB but they need all 3 in the worst way.
Not just that. Shoplifting, shooting the squirrels on campus
jnc), the cafeteria incident, etc. Those things are little things (compared to rape accusations), but they're all questions of his decision making skills in my eyes. Granted, he's a college student and they do dumb things, but he was the starting QB at a major college. You want them to be leaders and stay out of trouble.Who do ya'll think my Falcons will take? I'm assuming they go for Beasley or Dupree, but if they're not available I think they should take Gurley. Fowler would be first choice but there's no way he'll be there at #8 and none of the above are worth trading up for.
Big Ben has 2 rings and only got a 6 game suspension when he did it!
Seriously though I wonder if the NFL would come down hard on Jameis if he loses the civil suits or if they don't care.
Skiptastic
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Again I don't think its happening and our only real chance of getting Mariota is if we call Tenn's bluff and he slides out of the top 10.
With that said I don't get this attitude that Kendricks, Cox, and Curry would be too much to give up. Yes these are good players and Cox is on his way to be great. But even with them on the field the Eagles had one of the worst defenses and have had one of the worst defenses for 5 some years now. Yes the weakness is the secondary but if the secondary doesn't improve, what does keeping Cox, Curry, and Kendricks get us?
A franchise QB is worth so much more. Covers up so many of your weaknesses, even on D.
And Chip already made moves to improve the secondary. If this team is going to be better next season it will be because of better overall QB play (whether that is MM or Bradford) and because the secondary is much better.
Losing Cox would hurt but they will have to be smart and find his replacement in this draft.
Kendricks will be replaced by Kiko and Demeco. They also have a couple of LBs who missed the season last year who they really like ready to be back.
Curry is more of a 4-3 fit who was only used sparingly. They have good depth on the DLine will add more obviously.
The idea is while Bradford or if they settle on Hundley/Petty have the tools to succeed with Chip, we already have seen MM do it. And Chip thinks he is the best QB and compares him to P. Manning. If he truly believes this guy can be the franchise guy for 10+ years and lead the team to actual contender status year in and year out then you have to make the move and give up some assets.
The only other way would be the trade away the whole draft this year and next year. Trading some of these players still allows you to replenish with most of your picks in tact.
Again not saying its happening but if it was done it makes sense and giving up these guys isn't too much. Think of it this way, if you don't have the QB position solved you can have a JJ Watt, who is probably top 5 overall as a player in the league, and it gets you nowhere.
ViperVisor
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The O-Line had more than most problems early in the season. Up the middle pressure in some games.
Later in the season he was sucking. Then ended the season by complete about 14 passes per game.
He completed the 2 biggest plays of his career in 2014 and his YPA was the lowest at 7.05
The pass game was opened up. More 3 or 4 WR sets. The down-field chucks didn't connect.
He is 27 and 40 starts and the details of a good consistent QB are still not there.
If the rumor is true. I am pretty sure Houston offered a 2nd round pick + for him. Like maybe 2016 2nd if he starts a playoff game. 2016 1st if he starts in Conference Championship.
SF probably wanted pick 16. And 2016 2nd.
SF would be in great position, back to back, 15th & 16th picks to address the huge questions of the present and future at DL and CB.
A QB playing like a little brother does in Madden making 17 18 19 million whatever it is, is NOT doing this depleted 49ers much good the next few years.
manzoman96
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Letting B Dawk walk continues to haunt us to this day.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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There is no replacing a top 5 defensive player. Cox is the reason the pass rush was successful. I have a strong opinion that without Cox you will not see a good pass rush, end of story. Giving up Cox and Curry means you're giving up 1/3 of your DEs. You can't give up both or you end up with no talented depth.
Lol, Kaep's glaring flaw is an inability to read a defense.
cuevas. PhD.
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Who came up with the awful OP title? Bucket head? I bet it was him.
Again a franchise QB or a good pass rush? You have to give something up to get your guy.
An improved secondary might even offset a weakened pass rush.
Of course I'd prefer it if they could keep Cox and trade Boykin.
The_Darkest_Red
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And his complete lack of touch on his passes.
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