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NFL Off-Season |OT2| My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Draft
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
seconded
BlackGhost
Banned
Destroy it!
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
It's certainly the most relevance they've probably ever had on this board!
This, RBs are a dime a dozen. Especially considering their short careers, they're simply not worth a first round pick anymore, especially a top 5 pick. That being said, McFadden is awesome, except he gets hurt by grass. He's a pretty complete back too bad he can't stay healthy. People kept saying that Bush was the power back, but McFadden ran harder and can be shifty. His blocking skills are amazing and can line up at WR.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I didn't even think the return on those early investments were that putrid. It's worse than I thought.
If the Browns stay at 4 the pick better be Richardson or Blackmon and I only want Blackmon if they go Weeden at 37.
If Kalil falls to 4 you have to trade down and then you can go maybe Floyd or Tanneheil.
Also, someone like Massie might fall to 37 for the Browns to get a RT.
I'd like any of the following.
4. Richardson
22. Wright
37. Massie
4. Richardson
22. Johnathan Martin
37. Randle
4. Blackmon
22. Johnathan Martin
37. Weeden
4. Blackmon
22. Doug Martin
37. Weeden
If Kalil falls to 4 you have to trade down and then you can go maybe Floyd or Tanneheil.
Also, someone like Massie might fall to 37 for the Browns to get a RT.
I'd like any of the following.
4. Richardson
22. Wright
37. Massie
4. Richardson
22. Johnathan Martin
37. Randle
4. Blackmon
22. Johnathan Martin
37. Weeden
4. Blackmon
22. Doug Martin
37. Weeden
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
So basically if Richardson is LT or AP, draft him.
If you aren't sure he can produce like one of those two, pass on him I guess.
BannedEpisode
Member
:jnc funny or "thats interesting" funny?
It makes sense considering the transition to a passing oriented game.
yankeehater
Member
I have no doubt that if we did the same list for every other position the return would be basically the same. The draft is a huge crapshoot. Teams should always draft the best player, even if he is a RB. I would love for Richardson to fall to the Eagles but it wont happen.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Drafting is an inexact science. It's hard to predict via the draft who will be productive at the NFL level and worth the spot they were chosen in. You can make the argument that every position is overvalued in the first round.
Now, if RBs are so replaceable and not worth much, why are they getting monster deals when they become eventual free agents? Foster, AP, Ray Rice, SJax, etc.
edit: Looks like Yankeehater beat me to the punch. Should be common sense.
Interesting. As you look at the years following and how many can you say look to be 10k rushers. AP and maybe Run DMC. so going from 7 of 9 or 77.7% to 2 of 11 maybe even 1 of 11 aka 18.1% drop. Although im sure if we looked deeper 97-01 would just be a statistical anomaly and there wouldn't be any other periods with that much production.
BannedEpisode
Member
I think the mindset is that there are few non replaceable backs. Not that they are useless as a whole.
Trent Richardson is tremendous, but man... I think the Browns would be better off picking Blackmon and grabbing someone like Doug Martin with their early 2nd-round pick.
Let's say Trent ends up being 3/4 the player that Adrian Peterson is, which is probably an optimistic projection. The Vikes were still at their best when they had a lethal passing attack in Favre's first year there, and physical runners like AD and Richardson can't help but get banged up in today's NFL.
I'm biased though, I want both Weeden and Blackmon to end up in Cleveland.
Let's say Trent ends up being 3/4 the player that Adrian Peterson is, which is probably an optimistic projection. The Vikes were still at their best when they had a lethal passing attack in Favre's first year there, and physical runners like AD and Richardson can't help but get banged up in today's NFL.
I'm biased though, I want both Weeden and Blackmon to end up in Cleveland.
BlackGhost
Banned
Ehh I don't want to see weeden or Any of this years Qbs on the browns unless it's in a later round beyond the 3rd Or unless Tannehill some how falls to the 2nd
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
We've got Cameron Wake possibly being absent from workouts, and the MiamiHerald saying Dolphins should overpay for Tannehill.
It's like Bizarro world.
It's like Bizarro world.
Futurevoid
Member
Jacobs deal with the Niners:
Apparently, it was a hair over the Giants original offer to him.
Futurevoid
Member
Gil Brandt's Top 100 prospects:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...k-movement-as-pro-days-wrap-up?module=HP11_cp
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...k-movement-as-pro-days-wrap-up?module=HP11_cp
Please Giants. Please.
yankeehater
Member
goldlion054
Member
Agreed. I think he benefited immensely from a weak Big-12 defense and the best receiver in college football. Career backup
That and he's old as fuck lol
Of ALL the things to criticize Weeden for, arm strength and accuracy have to be the two least legitimate.yankeehater said:
Oklahoma State's entire offense was predicated on his arm strength and accuracy.
As opposed to Luck, RG3 and Tannehill, who played against great defenses and had terrible receivers.goldlion054 said:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/197/oklahoma-state-cowboys
Check out the receivers' stats--he's really good at spreading the ball around (and I'm not denying that Blackmon is a beast).
Futurevoid
Member
Plus...just look at him:
Still, I suppose he's less douchey than the ultimate douchebag...
Still, I suppose he's less douchey than the ultimate douchebag...
..and yes I'm just having fun with Weedon mainly because it gives me the opportunity to shit on Clausen who I'm happy to see wilt away as a career clip board holder
Looks like an older relative of Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
yankeehater
Member
I watched a few of his games this year and I just dont think he has the physical tools top QBs normally have. You say their offense was predicated on his arm strength and accuracy, but I saw plenty of plays were blackmon was wide open and he would put the ball behind him and make him break stride and have to reach back for the ball. Their offense was based on teams having to over commit to Blackmon and that leaving other guys uncovered. We will see how he does in the pros but I think any team that spends a 1st on him will wind up sorry that they did.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Brandon Weedens like 35 years old.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Fucked up that he wouldn't take a 'hair' less to stay with the team he won 2 SBs with.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
Weeden = poor mans Chris weinke
yankeehater
Member
Dont lots of players do that? Get the ring and then chase the biggest pay check they can get.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
He wants to win a 3rd so the niners were the obvious team for him
He's big, athletic, and has a strong arm. What other "physical tools" is he lacking? No offense, but that is meaningless draftspeak bullshit.
I can't answer your criticisms of him throwing behind Blackmon unless you can point out specific examples.
goldlion054
Member
I take no claim in being an expert, but I just don't think Weeden has the dynamic abilities of Luck or Griffin (I don't like Tannehill, personally). Maybe he will prove me wrong and be a stud NFL player. But I think he will remain on the list of great college QBs from Ok. State, in recent years, that doesn't translate to the nfl
Futurevoid
Member
You can tell Brandon took it like some kind of badge of honor/pride. He wasn't going to take less than what he wanted from the Giants and Reese wasn't going to give him anything else. It was time to move for the Giants, anyway. I'm eager to see what we do in the draft (there's no doubt we'll draft an RB) and how Scott developsWellington said:
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Luck and Griffin are better prospects, I don't deny that. I'm just defending Weeden against criticism of invented faults in his game. If he's put in the right situation, I have no doubt that Weeden can be a solid starting QB next year in the NFL.
Also, predicting success or evaluating talent based on school is silly. Nobody thought Josh Fields or Zac Robinson would be elite NFL prospects even though they were great college players. How many schools have produced more than 1-2 quality NFL starting QBs?
AD/AP has had injury problems since College, and it's carried on into his NFL career. Richardson, so far, has been injury resistant. AD/AP is more agile in his moves, but I'd say they were both about the same in straight up power running. Unsure on how they measure up at top speed and acceleration, and @ Alabama, they just didn't throw the ball very much. But Richardson can catch well and block well to great. Richardson also doesn't fumble the ball, which Peterson does. Often.
Richardson's shorter, but 10-15 lbs heavier. Also has less carries in College than AD/AP, so less wear and tear.
I'd rather he go to the Browns over the Bucs, as I don't want Schiano getting his schmarmy mitts on him.
Brandon Wheeden is the same age as Aaron Rodgers...you have to believe his length of playing time left, will be shorter than the other rookie QB's.
yankeehater
Member
I dont see how you can say he is athletic. Here are his pro-day results compared to Luck's combine results:
40 yard dash:
4.98s
4.59s
3 cone drill:
7.36s
6.8s
Broad jump:
8'06''
10'04''
Vertical:
32''
36''
Weeden didnt lift at his pro day or the combine so we cant compare those but Luck killed him in every event, and Luck isnt even considered that athletic. I could have compared his numbers to either RGIII or Cam's but we know he isnt athletic like those guys are.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I hear Ryan Mallett is still running his 40 yard dash.
That's simply not true.
Besides, whoever drafts Weeden will be doing it for his ability to throw the ball, not for his fucking broad jump or 40 time.
BlackGhost
Banned
But seriously though look at him! I don't want this guy to be my Qb smhPlus...just look at him:
Still, I suppose he's less douchey than the ultimate douchebag...
..and yes I'm just having fun with Weedon mainly because it gives me the opportunity to shit on Clausen who I'm happy to see wilt away as a career clip board holder
goldlion054
Member
Lets not put words in my mouth. I simply noted the college level talent Ok. State produced at qb recently. I could have said the same thing about Michigan state with Stanton, Hoyer (that asshole), and now Kirk Cousins. All guys who I see is good college qbs (well, not Hoyer) who i don't see translating to the NFL. Its nothing personal, just what i have noticed
Look at the NFL QB talent Stanford, Baylor, and Texas A&M have produced recently.
Luck is considered athletic, just not in the way RG3 or Vick is. Closer to Cam or Tebow (or like that one Stanford QB from ages ago..), in regards to size + power + speed. His College offense wasn't a form of the spread @ Auburn/Florida, so he didn't run as much. But the dude is a tank.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
The broad jump is as important for a QB as is his arm strength.
