B For Bendetta
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Jets are going to start Tebow and let Jesus do the heavy lifting
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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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Jets are going to start Tebow and let Jesus do the heavy lifting
yankeehater
Member
No way are the Jets going to let Rex fuck up their tank by playing Tebow.
Racist
lol just a troll article. They'll have one up for all 32 teams by the end of the summer. Here's a good one, though it's ESPN Insider. Why the Rams Can win the NFCW
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...c-west-2013?addata=2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx
That's the spirit. And lol at people still blaming flacco as if every team won't be crippled by high QB salaries with this new cba and non increasing cap
AngmarsKing701
Member
what's the word from FMT? Still employed? did he jump off the golden gate?
Y'all just need to find a true American hero.
Futurevoid
Member
Osi update:
yankeehater
Member
People are upset with Flacco because he seems to be all about the money. There were a bunch of reports that the Ravens offered him $16m before the year started and he turned it down. If their was no cap at all I dont think people would care about him getting every penny he can, but since there is a cap they did lose players due to paying him.
I think he's still pretty good, worth 3.5 million. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two really good years from him on the right team. He's not that far removed from being a top player, just a tough year last year coming off an injury and getting dinged up at the end.
Ok when you guys talk about "stuff to do" what are you referring to?
I like hiking in mountains, going to Smithsonian, aquariums, music festivals, going to different kinds of restaurants to try new cuisines. that sort of thing. Aside from the obvious lack of mountains and large museums here, Im pretty well covered just in and around Louisiana. dont see a need to go to a large city to experience a lot of the things I already enjoy at a much cheaper cost.
Yeah I got a pretty good laugh at them signing him. Except I have no idea who is going to replace them on the Saints either. I guess we could get a dude off the street for cheap who might do a better job.
Do you think Aaron Rodgers cares if clay Matthews gets cut because he needs to be the highest paid QB in the league??
Seeing that defense without him - yes, he cares.
yankeehater
Member
He should, and fans would have every right to complain if Rodgers salary forced the team to cut players.
B For Bendetta
Member
It was time to move past Amendola and SJAX anyway. Dependable players, but we were never even an average offense with them.
BaltimoreLarry
Member
The big difference is, Aaron Rodgers is arguably the best QB in the league. Joe Flacco doesn't come in top 5.
B For Bendetta
Member
Pretty much. I can't imagine the Ravens D being any sort of force next year.
And what is Matt Ryan? You don't think he will get similar numbers? It's not about how good you are. It's about how much you are worth to a bottom barrel team with money to spend.
You don't think the dolphins or browns would have thrown 125 million at flacco or Matt Ryan if they had the chance?
And what 5 qbs are better than flacco over his career?
Wait is that last question arguing about active QBs or all time because it's vague. Either way Flacco isn't in the top five. Losing Boldin won't help either.
He said top 5 so I'm assuming he was referring to active. I want to see 5 qbs more deserving of a max contract since flacco had entered the league with better results than what he has produced.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
The Rapist
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
edit: And since Flacco has joined?
Kurt Warner
Brent
BaltimoreLarry
Member
Matt Ryan is a shitty QB who doesn't deserve the money either? Did I ever say one positive thing about him on here? No. If his team wants to overpay him too, fine. But I don't want my team to do it. They did, it's done, whatever. Fact is, according to Joe Flacco, he thinks he's the best QB in the league, and therefore should be the highest paid. He's not the best QB in the league. He just gets money like he is.
Sure! Let them be dumb.
As Dragon pointed out, this is terribly flawed, but I'll go active QBs who are better than him "over his career".
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Bonus: Ben Roethlisberger is better too, "over his career".
Edit: The fact that Weinke put out the same exact list, shows that it's true.
You crazy. Dude is an incredible injury risk, insane to pay him so much.
Id take Flacco over Brady Eli and Ben right now. And Peyton has 1 good year left.
BlackGhost
Banned
WTH , I'm going in
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
If he hit the market this offseason like Flacco did, he'd make more and Flacco would actually make a bit less.
The question was about a max contract though, Peyton is essentially making that right now.
I think you'd be crazy to take Flacco over Eli, either statistically or looking over their careers.
I would take Ben over Flacco based on completion percentages alone. If Pittsburgh didn't have a line that Chicago can make fun of, Ben is the better choice.
yankeehater
Member
Are you arguing who has been better, or who will be better? They are definitely different things.
B For Bendetta
Member
Lol at taking Flacco over Brady
BaltimoreLarry
Member
Yeah, bringing in potential, there are more than a few young QBs I'd rather have.
Who is more deserving of a max contract going forward the next 5-6 years. Based on their accomplishments.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Was harSon even injured after T-Rich trucked him to hell and back?
I always assumed Larry was a mild-mannered black man for some reason, with a voice pitch not exactly like Mike Tyson's but close to it. Strange, the truth.
Brady's arm strength has taken quite the hit, it seems. Flacco can bomb it downfield at will, so it's not an unreasonable assertion.
I always assumed Larry was a mild-mannered black man for some reason, with a voice pitch not exactly like Mike Tyson's but close to it. Strange, the truth.
Brady's arm strength has taken quite the hit, it seems. Flacco can bomb it downfield at will, so it's not an unreasonable assertion.
Like who?
Eli Manning has won two Super Bowls with two largely mediocre teams. So he shares a lot in common with Flacco in that way. He also had postseasons which were way beyond his regular season prowess.
I think you're confusing why teams pay max contracts. A smart GM does it for what he's getting going forward. Obviously the Ravens had to sign Flacco because they just won a SB, the PR disaster would be huge otherwise. But saying based on accomplishments and then going forward are two different things.
yankeehater
Member
Then Rodgers is the only one who is deserving of that kind of contract right now. In a few years guys like Luck, RGIII, and Wilson will be more deserving then Flacco though.
BaltimoreLarry
Member
Luck
Wilson
RGIII
But you're missing the point....Joe Flacco doesn't deserve a max contract at all.
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Why are people talking about Flacco in the same sentence as Brady and Manning. The way I look at it, 1 HAIL MARY PLAY GOT FLACCO $120 million.
Futurevoid
Member
I'd take all three over Flacco today. Even with Ben's injury history and Brady's diminished arm.
As mentioned though, Eli and Flacco actually have a lot in common in terms of their career trajectories. I've made the comment before that the Ravens had to decide if Flacco was their franchise guy or not. Apparently, they did but in three years they'll revisit that view once his cap hit pushed upwards of 20 million.
Because he won four games in the playoffs and went 11 tds 0 ints in the process.
Yeah he does. I don't get how or why you and other Ravens fans are so negative about him. His biggest problems seems to be consistency but for two post seasons in a row he has played great. Not just great but out played HOF QBs and made incredible plays to keep his team alive. It wasn't you D carrying you this time around.
I think what Ozzie, Harbs, and the organization as a whole are doing is smart. You have a young guy who can only get better, already has a SB under his belt, and they let walk some players who while fan favorites are no longer what they used to be. You still have the draft and pieces on offense. Personally I think the future is bright in Baltimore. And if Flacco flops or falls flat on his face going forward ITS ONLY A NFL CONTRACT! You guys will figure out a way to make him restructure, trade him, or outright release him.
BaltimoreLarry
Member
It's not just consistency. When Joe Flacco is good, he's just that, good. He's never been great, except for these playoffs, which were a four game run. If he had a four game run of exceptional play in the middle of the season, book ended by standard Joe Flacco good and bad, it wouldn't matter. Look at the Michael Vick contract; how come he got so paid by the Eagles? Because of a short run of excellence. How did that work for you?
BlackGhost
Banned
Blarry not being black seems to be one of the biggest controversies of the year so far, I already knew he wasn't though.
Futurevoid
Member
That "Waking up in Columbia" video has my hype level of Bioshock Infinite about as high as it can go...ugh. 4 days is too much.
First of all Flacco> Vick in every which way.
And our contract to Vick didn't hinder us from going on a crazy spending spree in 2011. We were one of the teams with most cap space last off season and again this season. Contracts in the NFL are not what they are in other leagues. If for whatever reason 2-3 years down the road the Flacco led Ravens need to rebuild, you can still trade him while he is in his prime, and take his salary off the books. And if your worry is that he is the highest paid well then he won't be for long (Rodgers) and he will never ever see the full amount of the contract anyway.
As long as the contract is written to help the cap and the cap itself is managed well in addition to great drafts you won't be in trouble. And to that you have Ozzie. He smartly didn't over pay to keep Reed. Ray Lewis gone from the books. Kruger, might be a good player, but was paid a lot money which you guys didn't have to spend.
Who cares if his regular season stats don't match up with the poster boys of the NFL? As long as he can perform better in the post season that is all that should matter. And it wasn't just this post season. He out played Brady last year as well.
More deserving? They will have won a Super Bowl and lead their teams deep in the playoffs every year?
Top 5
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
4. Tom Brady
5. Robert Griffin III
Honorable Mention:
Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning
I'd go with all of these players over Flacco. Flacco would be around 8, but I could see Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck passing him in the near future. It's just a matter of time. The only reason they aren't ahead of him now is Flacco's playoff success and Super Bowl win.
BlackGhost
Banned
Never finished the demo either, didn't play Bioshock 1 or 2 but Infinite looks reall interesting to me. To bad I have no system to play it on right now
They will be better based on what body of work?? And you would pay Peyton and Brady 120 million over the next 6 years??
yankeehater
Member
Flacco was a terrible 4th and 29 play away from missing the playoffs. I agree that he was great in the playoffs last season, but he is average at best in the regular season. I wouldnt give that much money to a guy that you cant count on in the regular season. Him being great in the playoffs doesnt do you any good if you are sitting home watching them.