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NFL Offseason Thread 3 - Drowney for Clowney Mech, Drowney for Clowney.
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You mean the joint Justin Gilbert and Browns' second selection press conference.
Mackenzie 92
Member
It's obvious watching him play. Adjustments can still be made, may it be from the coaching staff there or with another team.
I mean, he is white. So obvious he is intelligent enough if these graphs plastered around here mean anything!
Himynameischris
Member
Plus all the intangibles.
Speaking of coaching staff, Sherman was terrible at play calling and one of the reasons the deep ball never worked
Yeah, looking back, Vick was ahead of his time. His (non-injury related) decline started when coaches started asking him to play like a prototypical pocket passer in a west coast offense vs the hybrid style of QB we see a lot of today. I have no doubt that Vick in his prime could have matched or surpassed the sort of success we're seeing Kaepernick have in San Francisco. Teams are more willing to let the skills of their QB dictate the kind of offense they run these days, and the current rules make it safer for QBs to play a more risky style.
The problem is, like Vick, Manziel is a small guy and the hits will slow him down, even within games. Cam Newton, all 6'5" 250 pounds of him, wore down physically in the second half of that playoff game against the 49ers due to how much they were hitting him. Wilson does well because he rarely runs past the line of scrimmage, and gets rid of the ball before taking the big hits. Really a different type of QB altogether. The NFL's metagame is definitely more conducive to small, mobile QBs than it was in 2004, but it's still hard to see Manziel having a long career playing the way he does. Specifically, he needs to focus on getting rid of the ball quickly and only scrambling when he can get out of bounds.
The problem is, like Vick, Manziel is a small guy and the hits will slow him down, even within games. Cam Newton, all 6'5" 250 pounds of him, wore down physically in the second half of that playoff game against the 49ers due to how much they were hitting him. Wilson does well because he rarely runs past the line of scrimmage, and gets rid of the ball before taking the big hits. Really a different type of QB altogether. The NFL's metagame is definitely more conducive to small, mobile QBs than it was in 2004, but it's still hard to see Manziel having a long career playing the way he does. Specifically, he needs to focus on getting rid of the ball quickly and only scrambling when he can get out of bounds.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3186/player?r=1
pls Getts send them a 6th and plug Roos in at LT
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
BlackGhost
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The_Darkest_Red
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I hear the Texans pick is coming down to Stephon Tuitt or Marqise Lee, unless they trade down which is possible. http://t.co/W1GGWQASE9
More gas for the Dre is not happy fire?
More gas for the Dre is not happy fire?
Mackenzie 92
Member
ActStriker
Member
Dre for Mallett
The_Darkest_Red
Member
John Schneider places an emphasis on the importance of late-round picks, and you're right, it doesn't work out sometimes. It doesn't work out in the early rounds sometimes either, which is why number of picks is fairly important overall.
Also, actual brochure from Seattle sent to agents who may be representing UDFAs.:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/photo/2014/05/06/0ap2000000347146.pdf
lol
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Using this logic, Weeden >>>>>> JFF
Because Weeden's rating of 46 or whatever is greater than Manziel's 0!
I get it, Bridgewater is an unknown quantity if you're using statistics. Am I speaking in facts? Nope! Doesn't stop me from giving out my opinion that many people also happen to share!
Me likey!Look at this guy. Just look at him!
Hopefully he can get up to speed quickly and him and Timmons can wreak havoc in the middle of the field.
If we can just get some pass pressure and decent play out of our corners then we might actually be good again on defense!
Futurevoid
Member
Man, Round 2 is going to be intriguing. Giants hold the 43rd pick in the second round.
10 players to be picked ahead of them. Hopefully there's some solid offensive line talent still available by that point.
The team had Joel Bitonio in and really like him but I don't know if he lasts that long. Cyrus Kouandjio is intriguing as well despite the knee issues but will he be there? I'd absolutely love to get Xavier Su'a-Filo but I think he'll be long gone.
Jace Amaro and Seferian-Jenkins could possibly there as well. Tight end is still a massive need though I'd prefer we go offensive line. They could wait and possibly move up a little later and grab Troy Niklas which seems to fit what the Giants like to do at TE a little better.
Tons of defensive line talent, too! Linebackers in Van Noy and Telvin Smith could be sitting there in the 2nd/3rd. So many options..
10 players to be picked ahead of them. Hopefully there's some solid offensive line talent still available by that point.
The team had Joel Bitonio in and really like him but I don't know if he lasts that long. Cyrus Kouandjio is intriguing as well despite the knee issues but will he be there? I'd absolutely love to get Xavier Su'a-Filo but I think he'll be long gone.
Jace Amaro and Seferian-Jenkins could possibly there as well. Tight end is still a massive need though I'd prefer we go offensive line. They could wait and possibly move up a little later and grab Troy Niklas which seems to fit what the Giants like to do at TE a little better.
Tons of defensive line talent, too! Linebackers in Van Noy and Telvin Smith could be sitting there in the 2nd/3rd. So many options..
You are out of your mind. Back up QB for a top 10 WR and a pick?
Make it happen.
Himynameischris
Member
wth...
You guys will be drafting Stephon Tuitt. Why? Because I want him as a Steeler. #AlwaysGonnaBeMadAboutODB
I like a lot! A hell of a lot actually.
edit: Also, late night ATL podcast is best podcast. What a great one that was. I needed those laughs.
yankeehater
Member
So what players are left that have 4th round grades for the Eagles to take at 54?
Enjoy Ryan Fitzpatrick,Case Keenum, T.J. Yates.
slightconfuse
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What good WRs are left besides
Marqise Lee, Allen Robinson, Lattimer (I think?) the guy from Indiana
Also:
Jordan Matthews, Vandy
Davante Adams, Fresno State
Donte Moncrief, Ole Miss
Montavis Bryant, Clemson
Jarvis Landry, LSU
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Seems appropriate.
yankeehater
Member
Paul Domowitch ‏@pdomo 5m
Asked 2 scouts for the biggest first-round reaches. Both said same thing: 1) Marcus Smith 2 Eagles at 26 and 2) JaWuan James to Dolphins at 19
Even the Eagles reporters are killing the pick. Ray Didinger said he had a 3rd round grade on Smith.
Asked 2 scouts for the biggest first-round reaches. Both said same thing: 1) Marcus Smith 2 Eagles at 26 and 2) JaWuan James to Dolphins at 19
Even the Eagles reporters are killing the pick. Ray Didinger said he had a 3rd round grade on Smith.
Mackenzie 92
Member
I think that pick and the Dolphins were the two biggest WTF moments for me. Hadn't heard of either of them.
Jordan Matthews is one I like.
Hoping a solid OL falls into Reese's lap. Even Justin Pugh thought OL and TE will be picked soon.
He's got the glow of a pregnant woman.
The_Darkest_Red
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Yeah, my first reaction to both picks was, "who?".
I'm kind of okay with the James pick, though. If he ends up being a quality starter at RT then I doubt many Dolphins fans will care where he was picked a year or two from now. It was a huge need and the FO seems to be very high on him. A boring pick for sure but it's better than trading up for a luxury pick like last year.
The Carr brothers poking some fun at Derek's fall into the second round:
http://instagram.com/p/nyHcUglUOt/
http://instagram.com/p/nyHcUglUOt/
Himynameischris
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James was a name that kept coming up all the time for the dolphins BUT it was a pick we would have made if we had traded down to 26 with the browns, since we couldn't find a trade partner we just took him at 19, people say reach but honestly it's a good pick that fills a need with a day one starter. (Very good player)
No need. They'll take the guard if Lee is gone. If the G goes too they can trade back or grab a different WR.
