Mackenzie 92
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So sounds like you guys could use some help, but not sure if it's worth trading up for.
Sounds like the Packers released DJ Smith as well. Reggie might make him an offer if we can afford it.
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So sounds like you guys could use some help, but not sure if it's worth trading up for.
Sounds like the Packers released DJ Smith as well. Reggie might make him an offer if we can afford it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He's not. The team needs a whole group of good players. They can't afford to give up a high pick to move up two spots.
If they want a LT that bad, take one with their 2nd round pick.
Yeah, I think that would be one of the easier areas to evaluate.
Although I'm sure at some point it's just varying degrees of stupid.
I think the part about intelligence is rough because, well, so many guys aren't very bright. So it's trying to figure out which guy who doesn't seem very smart can at least learn a play book
The part about intangibles I think, is much harder. You would need to spend a lot of time with a guy to see how he's going to handle having all that money. It's easier to quit or let up when failing has smaller consequences. The Rams learned that with Pead. He basically shut it down and pouted b/c he didn't get playing time. He was cocky and arrogant in school, but the moment he wasn't the star, he handled it horribly. Tough to predict
Futurevoid
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So don't log into twitter?
They are treating the selections like news. The NFL is treating it like a TV event. Pick your poison.
Yup. They are acting like a petulant child a bit.
We're not going to be spoiling picks on here are we?
That's certainly a viable option, but there is no journalistic necessity to document a pick before it happens on television. It's not like these reporters are doing great work finding sources, they're just sitting in Radio City Music Hall and tweeting the picks out as they're spoken over the loud speaker. Fans are adamant that they don't want the picks on Twitter beforehand and non-NFL Network or ESPN employees don't care.
Futurevoid
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Is there journalistic necessity in reporting a trade that's meant to happen when free agency starts weeks before the team officially announces it?
It's the same damned thing
...and if all they are doing is "just tweeting picks out as they are announced on the loud speaker" then what does it matter? It should match up nicely with what's happening on TV for you.
Say it with me now: LOG THE FUCK OUT OF TWITTER.
There isn't a soul being held at gunpoint in their living room forced to read twitter during the draft. Not one.
There is a big difference with trades and whatnot since different reporters have different sources. There was a situation earlier in free agency when some reporters were adamant that Andy Reid would soon become the Cardinals' coach, and others reported otherwise. Some reporters have better sources and are willing to wait for good information, while others rush to report news without getting real confirmation.
The picks were tipped far ahead of time last year, and even moreso the year before. There were times when essentially the #5 pick was being announced on TV and the Twitter community already knows who is being picked all the way up to pick #9.
My prerogative is to experience the draft as it unfolds on TV and be part of the ongoing discussion that ensues from it. It's a fun experience, especially for people who don't have a lot of friends into the NFL that they can watch it with. I can stay off of Twitter and I'll probably have to, but the entire controversy does not make any sense from the journalistic perspective. I just don't understand what is gained by announcing the pick on Twitter minutes beforehand. It's not impressive journalism, it adds nothing, and the only people strongly affected by it are those who did not want to know ahead of time.
It's not a perfect analogy but it's like watching the Super Bowl and being on Twitter on the same time, and being told 5 minutes early that a team is going to score a touchdown. Yes, it'd be my fault for being on Twitter, but it's also unnecessary to spoil it for people watching on television and experiencing it on a delay.
Goro Majima
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I thought last year it was a surprise every pick? At least for me it was.
The year before was ridiculous because they were talking about the pick 10 minutes before Goddell walked up to announce it.
Futurevoid
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Nothing you've said there has yet to illustrate the difference between reporting a trade prior to an official team announcement or reporting a pick prior to its announcement at the podium. The quality of a reporters sources has little to no bearing unless your point is someone misreports the pick but then who cares? No doubt someone with better sources will get it right.
The solution to said problem has yet to change either so I won't bother repeating it again.
The last statement about being 4 picks ahead - GREAT! Gets me to the 19th pick that much quicker.
My perogative is to find out the picks in the quickest, most efficient manner. Whatever method provides that (be it twitter, facebook, or TV) is what I'll be watching/reading. Sometimes more than one at a given time in the company of friends.
Squall ASF
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Staying away from Twitter during the draft is a no brainer. What I want to know is if any of you plan on posting the tweets as they happen in this thread. I'll stay away from the thread if so but it'd be a shame because I want to see and participate in the reactions to each pick as they are made.
Mayock: I don't know, and I don't think anyone in league knows, what the Browns are going to do at 6. Then he suggests Banner will overrule Chud and Lombardi and take Geno Smith. Pls no.
@evansilva 12m
Schefter on Barkevious Mingo: "There's some chatter #Browns could be moving up for that particular player. Could be a frenetic 1st round."
OH GAWD NO.
@evansilva 12m
Schefter on Barkevious Mingo: "There's some chatter #Browns could be moving up for that particular player. Could be a frenetic 1st round."
OH GAWD NO.
Mackenzie 92
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people like to discuss stuff on twitter as it happens. it's taken over forums as the go to community for fans
how much time are we talking about tho? last year I remember the pick coming in on twitter about 3 minutes or so before it being announced on TV. Wasn't really a big deal.
Futurevoid
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There's this awesome unfollow button on Twitter for people you don't actually want to hear from. Makes it pretty straightforward to censor out the folks who could ruin such things while allowing you to have your community gatherings amongst the people you know.
If folks want to keep the thread vanilla, I won't post a damn thing.
Mackenzie 92
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unless you're a pre-cog you can't really avoid anything on twitter once it hits
not really a problem for me as I want the news as soon as possible, but telling people to logout or unfollow people isn't gonna help them if they wanted to participate online. but it really can't be helped these days.
Let's agree, since it seems to be the clear majority, that no picks are put up here before they are on TV.
I just don't get La Canola. What's the achievement to stare in the Green Room and see who gets excited? It's like having the network feed of the Walking Dead or something and tweeting out who dies. I get that it is news, I just don't get how he feels like it's a "score" on his part
I just don't get La Canola. What's the achievement to stare in the Green Room and see who gets excited? It's like having the network feed of the Walking Dead or something and tweeting out who dies. I get that it is news, I just don't get how he feels like it's a "score" on his part
Officerrob
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All this talk about the Raiders possibly being able to trade back makes me very happy. If it's all the way back to the Falcons pick though, it better be a boat load
slightconfuse
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I just want the info as fast as I can get it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I won't be on here during the draft until after the Lions pick. I love the drama of the draft.
The "insiders" are acting like douches because they can't handle the idea that the league wants to keep it interesting.
The "insiders" are acting like douches because they can't handle the idea that the league wants to keep it interesting.
@evansilva 1m
Casserly on #Rams at 16: "Seems Rams aren't content to sit there. Ppl they've talked to in trades think the guy they want is Tavon Austin."
I'm telling you guys. So many trades. No one will end up in the position they're currently in. Browns' first pick will be 26 and the Falcons will be picking 9th. The Patriots will pick 2nd overall.
Casserly on #Rams at 16: "Seems Rams aren't content to sit there. Ppl they've talked to in trades think the guy they want is Tavon Austin."
I'm telling you guys. So many trades. No one will end up in the position they're currently in. Browns' first pick will be 26 and the Falcons will be picking 9th. The Patriots will pick 2nd overall.
yankeehater
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Me to. Oh well twitter it is.
Because whatever qualities define a good journalist- accuracy, attention to detail, timeliness- aren't on display when you tip picks ahead of time. If LaCanfora gets a tip today that the Jets are 100% drafting Geno Smith at no. 9 and he reports it, that's impressive and a nice scoop by him. If he hears 5 minutes ahead of time that the Jets are picking Smith after it's announced on a loud speaker and he tweets it out, while all NFL and ESPN employees don't, that's not good journalism, that's just a pathetic attempt to get more attention on Twitter. I do understand your perspective of wanting to know the picks as soon as possible, but I don't get how you can't see the difference in quality journalism. They're not at all comparable.
Futurevoid
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Fixed.
Yeesh. No offense but let me know when you've returned from this land of idealism you live in and have rejoined us here in the real world.
It's your job to filter out the noise and find the right people to provide the right info you're looking for. It's his job to provide news that he feels people want. Whether he's right or wrong will prove out on draft day.
I honestly have no idea with all the stuff that's there. It's certainly public perception that the Rams want Austin, so teams in the top 10 that want to trade out have a nice story to tell to potential suitors
My personal belief is STL wants to get away from the dink and dunk stuff they had with Amendola. If they lined up Austin in the slot I'm not sure he can work downfield b/c of his height. If both Eifert and Austin were there, I kind of think STL would draft Eifert, even though they signed Cook. Danny's height and limited catch radius was a persistent problem last year. Really hard to work a small slot guy down the seam
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
What's the point of televising the draft at that point? Why not just do the whole thing on Twitter?
yankeehater
Member
The commentary.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, listening to blowhard Berman talk over real analysts really makes it worth it.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Why wouldn't they?
The league and the media build the thing as a spectacle and an event and people treat it as such. Could you imagine if TV shows spoiled what was going to happen 10 seconds before it happens by having Chris Berman crack some totally unfunny joke or some shit.
Never thought people would actually enjoy useless commentary and 5 minutes of commercials per draft pick.
yankeehater
Member
Watch NFLN.
Eisen asked Goodell this on his latest Podcast. If I recall correctly it's because they want to keep it "an event" for all the fans to get involved in and excited for.
They're also thinking about having Day 2 and Day 3 hosted in different cities.
HarryDemeanor
Member
I'll be watching the ESPN feed so I can hear Jon Gruden.
They should host Day 1 in London.
If you know there are going to be spoilers on Twitter, don't go there. Watch it as it happens.
It's basically like jumping into an OT with unmarked spoilers, nobody made you go there.
I like Chucky too, his reaction on the Jimmy Clausen pick is one of his best moments.
@evansilva 11m
RT @ArmandoSalguero #Dolphins are on board with the parameters of a contract with Branden Albert. They are ready to pay him elite LT money.
@evansilva 11m
Ireland caving. Like clockwork.
@evansilva 9m
Werder reported this AM Branden Albert wants $9 million/year. If #Dolphins pay that price, he'll be the NFL's 6th-highest paid left tackle.
:jnc
RT @ArmandoSalguero #Dolphins are on board with the parameters of a contract with Branden Albert. They are ready to pay him elite LT money.
@evansilva 11m
Ireland caving. Like clockwork.
@evansilva 9m
Werder reported this AM Branden Albert wants $9 million/year. If #Dolphins pay that price, he'll be the NFL's 6th-highest paid left tackle.
:jnc
Fisher in particular or any LT? I would think that confirms that they go Fisher/Joeckel more than ever.
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