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NFL Offseason Thread - Who cares who won we got a draft to prepare for!
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How many draft picks would "compensate" losing a championship-level coach in a "trade"? How does that math even work out? It can only be taken as a consolation prize for your coach taking a better offer elsewhere.
As for control, why would Harbaugh have it at Cleveland? It's not like Seattle in early 2010 where we had no coach or GM, so giving Carroll control could be arranged.
As for control, why would Harbaugh have it at Cleveland? It's not like Seattle in early 2010 where we had no coach or GM, so giving Carroll control could be arranged.
Nameless
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How many times did Phil Jackson almost quit the Lakers? I'm not buying it. The best possible situation for the Niners and Harbaugh is each other. Easily.
He's not going anywhere.
yankeehater
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If they brought in Harbs he would've had final say over Lombardi for sure
If he has control, then he should be hiring his own GM or having a large say in the matter.
BlackGhost
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Let's all keep in mind that this came from PFT and Florio is kinda a doucher. He just got tons of traffic because of this..
Sure, I'm just responding to the suggested logic of the matter, or lack thereof.
The dud caved skulls, I'm all about that technique.
Guy is light on his feet, watch him in space blocking on screens...oh my. This dude is a souped up version of a young Jason Peters.
I was listening to LZ talk about this a couple of weeks back, and he related a story about his dad as he went from college to pro coaching. His dad used to be a big believer in feet and technique, and those are still important. But he found out that in the NFL, it's all about functional strength. It's why Fluker can do his job even though he is sloppy and waist bends and all that. He's strong as fuck. He gets a hold of his man and it's over.
Cordy Glenn is another recent example. Long arms, powerful, good feet for A man his size but can get sloppy. He's wrecked some of the best ends in pass pro, his run blocking is nowhere near Robinsons, because of his size/strength/length.
ActStriker
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Matthew Stafford is only 25, so it`ll be him, Rodgers and maybe Luck. I also think Matt Ryan has proven himself, and will have a decent comeback season.
I`ve had the sense that after Harbs initial success with Kaep, he`s realized Kaep is a mediocre QB, with great running ability. What you see with Kaep is what you get and the Niners are going to have a lot of problems when they have to give Kaep his contract extension.
Is Kaep a 7 year $90 Million QB you build your team around? If I was a GM or coach like Harbs I wouldn`t give him that money. Kaeps success is due to the team around him, not because of Kaep himself.
Harbs is trying to get off a sinking ship, and the Texas rumors, JFF quotes and now the Browns talk confirm this IMO.
Gruden went to Tampa for two #1, two #2draft picks and 8 million in cash
And the Raiders have not seen the playoffs since the year after. Those four picks and cash sure worked out!
Grover Cleveland
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Even if this specific rumor of Harbs to the Browns is bogus, there's no denying that the relationship between Harbs and the Niners is strained at best right now.
Him leaving soon is a very real possibility.
Him leaving soon is a very real possibility.
Hey was just answering the question...calm down.
Shows the senility of Davis near the end. To have all those picks and a Superbowl caliber team and to just fail like they did.
The Artful Dodger
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They never changed the audibles so Gruden's Defense knew what they were doing.
darkside31337
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Raiders made the right call to trade him and to blow it up. Even Al knew that team was old as fuck and finished. They just missed on every single pick and couldn't find a replacement at HC to keep it going. Callahan was a joke.
slightconfuse
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JFF hands big hands ! Thanks espn
Looking over what Raiders got out of that trade from with Gruden player wise
2002 1st: I might be wrong but it looks like they traded up twice to get Phillip Buchanon, he looks to have played 3 years for them
2002 2nd: Langston Walker 5 years and only 1 being a primary starter
2003 1st: Tyler Brayton 5 years 3 years as a starter
2004 2nd: Jake Grove 5 years
Time and time again shows how much missing on draft classes can hurt your team future.
2002 1st: I might be wrong but it looks like they traded up twice to get Phillip Buchanon, he looks to have played 3 years for them
2002 2nd: Langston Walker 5 years and only 1 being a primary starter
2003 1st: Tyler Brayton 5 years 3 years as a starter
2004 2nd: Jake Grove 5 years
Time and time again shows how much missing on draft classes can hurt your team future.
The Artful Dodger
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Damn guys...What'd I do to piss off this board so everyone brings up these painful memories.
Nemesis121
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They better win the SB soon because eventually all the talent Harbaugh inherit will become old, so far he's been very lucky with the injuries, not a lot of starters lost for the season, drafting at the bottom of the round eventually catches up with every team, if he can't win a SB in the next 3 season Harbaugh will never win one in SF...
Himynameischris
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Like it matters ross would find a way to fuck it up and embarrass the team again.
In addition, they drafted Robert Gallery 2nd overall in 2004.
Hey if you took the time you could see how the recent misses have hurt the Steelers and we're being propped up by hits in years past.
Alligatorjandro
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Raiders have no reason to exist
Grover Cleveland
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If the Raiders and their rotten luck didn't exist, the Pats would have at least one fewer ring right now.
The Artful Dodger
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Yeah, and then Fabian Washington, then Huff, then Russell, then McFadden, then Heyward-Bey...
It's been painful for us.
Lol, I've seen it. The thing is, it's not just the first rounds thats been rough, it's been the crazy free agent money we've given folks who don't deserve it, not taking advantage of late rounds, the coaching carousel, not really changing our Defensive scheme from the classic "Never Blitz-Man to man coverage" Al Davis loves so much....
So when, people talk about how it hurts to see your franchise take a nose-dive. I know how to goes....
Alligatorjandro
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The only good thing the Raiders have ever done.
The Jets took that 2nd from you to get Mike Nugent :me
The Artful Dodger
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The only thing to come out from New England Patriots is a tiny alligator brony/jags fan.
Himynameischris
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Well you can't have negative superbowl rings
The Artful Dodger
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Alligatorjandro
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You guys only joke that I am a jag fan. You actually are a raider fan.
MetalFearSolid
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What would Tom Brady's entire life be like without the Raiders?
Should be Gata's tag.
The Artful Dodger
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Lol, I was raised in LA in the days of Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson...y'know real legends...the closest thing you got to that is that Skirt-wearer you guys call a QB
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2m
Mike Mayock would take Khalil Mack first overall http://wp.me/p14QSB-9pVd
Mike Mayock would take Khalil Mack first overall http://wp.me/p14QSB-9pVd
Alligatorjandro
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That was like 30 years ago. What have the Raiders done since then.
The Artful Dodger
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Lol, if they take Clowney instead, Raiders nab Mack.
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