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NFL Preseason/Training Camp/Disrespect 2015 |OT| - Building a better quarterback
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We shall see. I'm pretty confident in the fact that a healthy Bradford will put up better numbers than Eli Manning.
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Tebow is going to be running the show in the city of brotherly love by the end of October.
I would propose a bet, but it all falls down at the "healthy" bit.
yankeehater
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Dude Eli is 7 years older then Bradford. Give me the younger guy for sure. Now if you are saying Eli 5 years ago it isn't even a question, I just wonder how many more productive seasons Eli has, plus I think Bradford still has a chance to be good.
Nick Foles is a terrible QB and yet he put up numbers comparable to Eli in Chip's system. I think Bradford has a chance to be much better then Foles ever was. No one really knows what Bradford is because he had 0 talent with the Rams and his HC has no clue how to run an offense. Chip has done a great job making guys like Foles and buttfumble look decent, if healthy Bradford should do much better.
Thats why his ceiling is infinite.
He has never been healthy so we will never know.
I make similar arguments with Tebow. Make a team around him that subscribes to his clean living lifestyle and I bet you they would never lose a game!
Because if he's healthy, it's not much of a stretch. We all know he has health issues, but in Chip's system, he can thrive. He just has to be able to stay on the field.
Eli's ceiling is a two incredible Superbowl runs though. I still cannot believe they won that NFC Championship against the Niners in 2011. Bradford's funeral would have been a day after considering how much Eli got fucked up that game but didn't seem to care at all. It was one of the better post season performances considering the state of that Niners D at the time.
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One would still be more than Bradford's entire career.
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MILCHJON
We are discussing Eli in his present state. I would not want him on my team right now, not at his current price tag, and especially not if he becomes the highest paid QB in the league.
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Degenerate internet.
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If it's American, that's fine with me. Probably tastes like shit anyway.
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Well true, I wouldn't either if he wanted that much money. But I think he's still a good QB. Imagine if he had his brothers regular season powers, he would have probably been the best ever!
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Gata-Net.
Goro Majima
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If I'm looking to win a Super Bowl in the next three seasons, right now I would take Eli Manning at $25 million in Green Bay over Sam Bradford at even $5-10 million every day of the week.
I don't think you'd get many non-Eagles fans to see it any differently either. Chip's "system" isn't even proven yet for that matter...need to string together a few seasons before I can call it "proven". Remember that this league is all about countering new innovations after getting one good season on tape.
I don't think you'd get many non-Eagles fans to see it any differently either. Chip's "system" isn't even proven yet for that matter...need to string together a few seasons before I can call it "proven". Remember that this league is all about countering new innovations after getting one good season on tape.
Oh shit, hey Milch. I'm guessing you're done with whatever you were doing this whole time?
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Way to ignore me, piece of Hamburg-living scheisse.
Eli is the safe pick, obviously. Bradford is more of a risk, but the Eagles needed to take one, so here we are.
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2 double digit win seasons after taking over a 4 win team all with no qb isnt enough to prove his system works?
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You're not going to weasel out of this by using facts, kitty.
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Goro Majima
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Sure, out of the options that the Eagles had, it may have made the most sense. I think arguing Bradford vs. Foles is a much bigger grey area than Bradford vs. Eli though.
In this league you need two consecutive seasons to prove anything works. Remember when the wildcat was hot shit and all that talk about bringing the college game to the pros? Any new offense isn't tested until their second season when everyone has tape and time to cover it.
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HEY. Anyone who lives in a country that borders the Mayonnaise, Fries and Beer Superpower known as Belgium and doesn't post anime in an NFL thread is awesome in my book.
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This upcoming season will be chips 3rd nfl season.
Goro Majima
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Well shit I forgot so you got me there.
I'm still going to die on this hill that Eli is better than Bradford. I know I have the high ground here!
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It's a good bullet point, sure but this season will really give us insight into whether Chip's belief that his system is more important than the players in it is the right one or not.
Let's be real, Chip was still heavily relying on an Andy Reid built team for better or worse. The Eagle had some nice pieces offensively to work with. At the time he had one of the best backs in the game (McCoy), a solid if not great offensive line to work with when healthy and weapons at WR in Jackson/Maclin, etc.Defensively the Eagles have been shit for a number of years now so we'll call that even.
Regardless, Chip's "system" as it were is offense oriented. Come this season, Chip has shed a lot of the older Andy Reid holdovers either through free agency or forced attrition. For better or worse, he's building /his/ team. That's fine and I think Eagles fandom will be in a better place to to say Chip's system is proven if the team sees success this season and beyond. It will be deserved at that point, too. Especially if Sam Bradford does prove to be a key component to that success.
I constantly have to defend Belgian beer styles to Germans who don't know shit.
You'd think coriander and candi sugar killed their moms.
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Figures mine was out this morning too
yankeehater
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Clearly Eli had had the much better career and honestly he is probably a better qb at this point in time. I just think most people would take the guy that is 7 years younger and was highly regarded coming into the league. Bradford could be terrible but there is no way to judge that based on what happened with the Rams.
As long as he has McAdoo I think he has plenty. It's a QB-friendly system and has more short passes than your average offense. His body isn't taking a beating by tossing dozens of balls downfield like its nobody's business like he did under Gilbride. Go watch the NFC Title game in 2011 and watch how many times Eli gets smacked around by that Niners front seven. He was fantastic that game. But those shots take a toll after a while. Present day, of course, losing dudes to injury prior to camp isn't helping matters. These constant injuries to the line and RB's have hurt him, despite excelling in the air. Look at how many times Romo threw the ball and had the Cowboys offense rely on the ground game to win games. It lengthens his career.
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Had to get older, man, it got colder.
I done got grown and got a chip on my shoulder...
Astros' SS Carlos Correa: "I feel like [Jose] Altuve here."
Correa says if he played football he would've been a QB.
Hoy WHO? He should opt out of his contract with the Astros and start at QB instead!
Apparently Clowney told Correa that he wanted to hit back after getting hit by a baseball, so he stopped playing and went to football instead.
I done got grown and got a chip on my shoulder...
Astros' SS Carlos Correa: "I feel like [Jose] Altuve here."
Correa says if he played football he would've been a QB.
Hoy WHO? He should opt out of his contract with the Astros and start at QB instead!
Apparently Clowney told Correa that he wanted to hit back after getting hit by a baseball, so he stopped playing and went to football instead.
I'm too lazy to call and get free shit.
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Those things belong in cake, not beer.
Coriander?
What kind of shit cakes are you baking there, friendo.
PS: I see you already got assimilated by the Reinheitsgebots-Nazis down there!
Yeah I'll agree with this. The first two years, Chip tried to get things done with Andy's team, and 10-6 (+/- a few wins) looks like the ceiling. So he decided to make his team this offseason, and it was necessary. Because now, if Chip fails, it's all on him. If he hadn't been given complete control, and things go south, there's always the "What If?" scenario if we had given him everything to make his team. But now he's built the team he wants. This will be the first season we see his full vision, and any failures/successes will be laid at his feet.
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