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[WesternHeretic]

Terrell Suggs is an asshole. Clear intent to injure with that hit and this comment. In a fucking preseason game no less. Dude deserves to be fined and suspended.

What's wrong with the comment? He's right. You're a dumb ass if you think running a read option with someone who has a history of knee injuries is a good thing. If anything he's standing up for the QB calling out the play caller for putting their QB at more risk.

 

[MetalFearSolid]

Obviously, for the Eagles this won't be the last time a pass rusher tries to see if they can break Stafford. Eagles should expect more pass rushers to hit Stafford low or fold him up awkwardly.

 

[Syrinx]

mah hockey team's goalie continues the legacy of my quarterbacks.

 

[JABEE]

Obviously, for the Eagles this won't be the last time a pass rusher tries to see if they can break Stafford. Eagles should expect more pass rushers to hit Stafford low or fold him up awkwardly.

I don't give a damn what they do to Stafford!

 

[Godslay]

He's not wrong for specifically going after a players knees? What is this, the bounty era? He can hit QBs all he wants, but there's a difference between a clean hit and a dirty one.

Legs are fair game. He wasn't in the pocket, and was running a read-option play. He's no longer a QB, he's a RB.

RBs, TEs, WRs, get their legs cut out from underneath them or tackled via the legs all the time.

 

[Sanjuro]

Dude I hit it off with has a death of superman shirt. He doesn't understand!

 

[JABEE]

Legs are fair game. He wasn't in the pocket, and was running a read-option play. He's no longer a QB, he's an RB.

RBs, TEs, WRs, get their legs cut out from underneath them all the time.

He was in the pocket. Bradford was not in a running posture and had clearly handed the ball off.

 

[MetalFearSolid]

Legs are fair game. He wasn't in the pocket, and was running a read-option play. He's no longer a QB, he's a RB.

RBs, TEs, WRs, get their legs cut out from underneath them or tackled via the legs all the time.

Wtf were you watching? He was in the pocket. Suggs got to him late after hand off as well.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

gg Dolphins GAF

Our future insurance salesmen are better than your future insurance salesmen but between the players that really really matter, yall kicked our asses tonight

Same to you, my friend! Sucks that you guys lost KB, hopefully the team can pull it together when the regular season rolls around.

 

[Bread]

Well, you said he didn't. His hands are smaller than the average, so they are small if we are sticking to the conversation

Does it matter for the sake of the game? Probably not, except in the cold, blustery NE air come December. With fully inflated balls.

I guess I don't consider slightly below average to be tiny

 

[cdyhybrid]

Ouch.

 

[Godslay]

He was in the pocket. It was a hand-off and Bradford was not in a running posture and had clearly handed the ball off.

It was a classic read option play. You can tell by the way Bradford handles the ball. He was also clearly outside of a pocket (which was non-existent, because the line moves forward and laterally to run block), Suggs didn't have to go for the legs, but he wasn't in the wrong for doing so. He was within the rules of the game for read-options plays as it pertains to QBs.

Wtf were you watching? He was in the pocket. Suggs got to him late after hand off as well.

Watch the line. There was no 'pocket', they either moved laterally or forward to run block.

https://cdn2.streamable.com/video/webm/y1fk.webm

 

[MechDX]

It was a classic read option play. You can tell by the way Bradford handles the ball. He was also clearly outside of a pocket (which was non-existent, because the line moves forward and laterally to run block), Suggs didn't have to go for the legs, but he wasn't in the wrong for doing so. He was within the rules of the game for read-options plays as it pertains to QBs.



Watch the line. There was no 'pocket', they either moved laterally or forward to run block.

https://cdn2.streamable.com/video/webm/y1fk.webm

Slay is right. This hit is well within the confines of the rules.

Was there intent to injure? Yes
Is Suggs already a giant douchebag either way? Yes

But still a legal hit

 

[WesternHeretic]

Suggs should of gone easy though it is the fucking pre-season.

 

[Bread]

Why is it a classic read option play? It looks like a typical shotgun handoff to me.

 

[CrocMother]

Suggs picked Week 2 in the injury pool

 

[MechDX]

Suggs should of gone easy though it is the fucking pre-season.

Well yeah. This is a guy who is talking shit to the back up QB on his own team.

All class.

 

[JABEE]

It was a classic read option play. You can tell by the way Bradford handles the ball. He was also clearly outside of a pocket (which was non-existent, because the line moves forward and laterally to run block), Suggs didn't have to go for the legs, but he wasn't in the wrong for doing so. He was within the rules of the game for read-options plays as it pertains to QBs.



Watch the line. There was no 'pocket', they either moved laterally or forward to run block.

https://cdn2.streamable.com/video/webm/y1fk.webm

The explanation for how Read Option Calls work...

Per Blandino:

"He is still treated as a runner until he is clearly out of the play. The quarterback makes the pitch, he's still a runner - he can be hit like a runner until he's clearly out of the play."

The quarterback and the running back, they're both treated as runners. We don't know who has the football, we don't know who's going to take it, so both players are treated as runners.

The basic concept is, the quarterback position is not defenseless throughout the down. It's the posture he presents that will dictate his protections."

http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-notes/2013/9/5/4699204/nfl-read-option-rules-quarterback-hits

Read option does not mean that the QB is a runner. They are a runner as long as they are in the play. Bradford clearly fades back and is not in a running posture. Suggs then proceeds to go for Bradford's left knee.

I also don't believe Bradford attempted to trick the defense. Bradford never feigned a run or scramble.

 

[WesternHeretic]

Wait... a minute the eagles have Thurmond too? They still have Maragos? What the fuck is this shit? Wananbe Seahawks? And he and Max got a pick today?

What is this bull shit.

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

I love Suggs

 

[chuckddd]

This has got to sting chan something fierce.

 

[MechDX]

I love Suggs

 

[Godslay]

The explanation for how Read Option Calls work...

Per Blandino:

"He is still treated as a runner until he is clearly out of the play. The quarterback makes the pitch, he's still a runner - he can be hit like a runner until he's clearly out of the play."

The quarterback and the running back, they're both treated as runners. We don't know who has the football, we don't know who's going to take it, so both players are treated as runners.

The basic concept is, the quarterback position is not defenseless throughout the down. It's the posture he presents that will dictate his protections."

http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-notes/2013/9/5/4699204/nfl-read-option-rules-quarterback-hits

Read option does not mean that the QB is a runner. They are a runner as long as they are in the play. Bradford clearly fades back and is not in a running posture. Suggs then proceeds to go for Bradford's left knee.

I also don't believe Bradford attempted to trick the defense. Bradford never feigned a run or scramble.

Exact same play... or close enough to get the idea.

https://youtu.be/TUIb1N8fDrY

 

[WesternHeretic]

I love Suggs too as long as he doesn't play against my team.

Thank god he's in the AFC.

Exact same play...

https://youtu.be/TUIb1N8fDrY

Yea but we all know Bradford gonna break something if he tries to move forward.

 

[Bread]

I love Suggs

typical scumbag ravens player

 

[Spinluck]

Our defense and offensive line looked fantastic today

 

[JABEE]

Exact same play...

https://youtu.be/TUIb1N8fDrY

The official word of the NFL said that it depends on the running posture of the QB and whether he is still attempting to trick the defense.

Suggs hit Bradford after he was clearly out of the play fading backwards. The referee made the right call.

I guess it makes sense for defenses to defend QBs like that, but it was obvious Suggs was trying to go at Bradford's injured knee. He wanted to get his shot in.

The rules do not support him, but it makes sense to defend the play that way.

 

[Bread]

Our defense and offensive line looked fantastic today

well yeah they weren't playing the pats

 

[BigAT]

The official word of the NFL said that it depends on the running posture of the QB and whether he is still attempting to trick the defense.

Suggs hit Bradford after he was clearly out of the play fading backwards. The referee made the right call.

I guess it makes sense for defenses to defend QBs like that, but it was obvious Suggs was trying to go at Bradford's injured knee. He wanted to get his shot in.

The rules do not support him, but it makes sense to defend the play that way.

Uh, Bradford still has his hand on the ball the moment before Suggs launches...

You can't say he was clearly out of the play.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Our defense and offensive line looked fantastic today

I saw Luck get sacked.

 

[MRSA]

This has got to sting chan something fierce.

If it were Ali Krieger or Christen Press maybe, but I don't care for the woman who single handily won the women's world cup.

 

[JABEE]

Uh, Bradford still has his hand on the ball the moment before Suggs launches...

You can't say he was clearly out of the play.

It looked late watching it live. It makes sense to defend that way. I thought Suggs was clearly taking a dirty shot.

There are also other pictures of Bradford bracing for contact and fading away at the moment of Suggs launching.

It was late. It's the preseason. I'm just happy Bradford is okay.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Suggs picked Week 2 in the injury pool

This. Straight for dat ACL.

 

[gutshot]

Bradford clearly not a threat to run here. That's why it was a penalty. And diving into the knees of a QB with two ACL surgeries in the past year or so is a dirty play whether it is technically within the rules or not.

 

[Godslay]

Bradford clearly not a threat to run here. That's why it was a penalty. And diving into the knees of a QB with two ACL surgeries in the past year or so is a dirty play whether it is technically within the rules or not.

Suggs has the right to pursue whoever he thinks is the ball carrier in a read option play.

Here's another play that's pretty much the same play, is this QB not an option to run?

I know you guys want to play it off not a read option play, but Suggs doesn't have to pull up on such a play and made his read to who he though had the ball.

 

[BigAT]

It looked late watching it live. It makes sense to defend that way. I thought Suggs was clearly taking a dirty shot.

There are also other pictures of Bradford bracing for contact and fading away at the moment of Suggs launching.

It was late. It's the preseason. I'm just happy Bradford is okay.

I'm not saying it wasn't dirty. It's Suggs, I'm not an idiot. But a lot of your arguments for why isn't a legal are disingenuous given the speed of the play.

 

[TheFatOne]

The only problem with the Suggs play is that he went too low. Otherwise it's within the rules. Have to punish QBs in the read option. That's how you defend it.

 

[JABEE]

I'm not saying it wasn't dirty. It's Suggs, I'm not an idiot. But a lot of your arguments for why isn't a legal are disingenuous given the speed of the play.

I would agree. It makes sense to defend the play that way. I just think Suggs believed the wiggle room referees give to defenders on those plays gave him a free pass to take dirty shots at the QB. He was licking his chops for that one.

The rule deems the QB a runner as long as they assume a running posture and are in the play. The timing can be interpreted. The referees did this on the field. Watching it live, it appeared dirty. That may be my bias as an Eagles fan though.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Eagles fans are just shook because they're underrepresented in the pool.

 

[MetalFearSolid]

Yeah, I was wrong didn't rewatch it at first. Dirty hit regardless.

 

[Godslay]

I would agree. It makes sense to defend the play that way. I just think Suggs believed the wiggle room referees give to defenders on those plays gave him a free pass to take dirty shots at the QB. He was licking his chops for that one.

The rule deems the QB a runner as long as they assume a running posture and are in the play. The timing can be interpreted. The referees did this on the field. Watching it live, it appeared dirty. That may be my bias as an Eagles fan though.

That is a running position in a read option play. It's typical, you can see him extend out to the mesh point, reading Suggs off the left side of the line, and he makes the right read. Problem was Suggs was already there and picked who he thought had the ball and went for it.

Shouldn't have been a penalty, but refs get it wrong all the time.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Legs are fair game. He wasn't in the pocket, and was running a read-option play. He's no longer a QB, he's a RB.

RBs, TEs, WRs, get their legs cut out from underneath them or tackled via the legs all the time.

I'm not saying it wasn't legal. I'm not saying he shouldn't hit the QB. I'm saying he's a scumbag for going after the legs. He was clearly doing nothing but trying to injure someone, he even fucking knew the play wasn't to Bradford. There is not really a debate here, it was a dirty hit. It's like the guys who put helmet to helmet hits down before it was illegal specifically to injure people, which also happened all of the time.

 

[CrocMother]

If Suggs had actually re-injured his ACL on that play, I'm not sure how he was planning on getting out of Philly alive.

 

[Bread]

I'm not saying it wasn't legal. I'm not saying he shouldn't hit the QB. I'm saying he's a scumbag for going after the legs. He was clearly doing nothing but trying to injure someone, he even fucking knew the play wasn't to Bradford. There is not really a debate here, it was a dirty hit. It's like the guys who put helmet to helmet hits down before it was illegal specifically to injure people, which also happened all of the time.

if you're just trying to convince the world that suggs is a scumbag, it won't take much effort.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

if you're just trying to convince the world that suggs is a scumbag, it won't take much effort.

There's no convincing needed, it's well established.

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/635286589925629953/photo/1

Punches are a legitimate technique by lineman, therefore this was not dirty.

 

[TheFatOne]

There's no convincing needed, it's well established.

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/635286589925629953/photo/1

Punches are a legitimate technique by lineman, therefore this was not dirty.

Was this in todays game? If so he deserves to be suspended. No room in the NFL for shit like this.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Was this in todays game? If so he deserves to be suspended. No room in the NFL for shit like this.

Yeah. Probably won't make the team anyway.

 

[Godslay]

I'm not saying it wasn't legal. I'm not saying he shouldn't hit the QB. I'm saying he's a scumbag for going after the legs. He was clearly doing nothing but trying to injure someone, he even fucking knew the play wasn't to Bradford. There is not really a debate here, it was a dirty hit. It's like the guys who put helmet to helmet hits down before it was illegal specifically to injure people, which also happened all of the time.

That's not what the argument was. I said he wasn't wrong and showed you why.

In terms of interpreting as dirty, that's on you. Within the rules it's a clean hit.

I disagree that it was dirty. Like I've stated before all skill positons get clipped at the legs to be tackled.

If you don't want guys diving at your QBs legs don't run the read option with a guy who's ACL is basically the radiator belt off the team's bus.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

That's not what the argument was. I said he wasn't wrong and showed you why.

In terms of interpreting as dirty, that's on you. Within the rules it's a clean hit.

I disagree that it was dirty. Like I've stated before all skill positons get clipped at the legs to be tackled.

If you don't want guys diving at your QBs legs don't run the read option with a guy who's ACL is basically the radiator belt off the team's bus.

Yeah, I think dirty hits are wrong, and I don't think that is all that controversial. Just like I think the Carson Palmer rule type hit was dirty before it was illegal. Just cause something is not an illegal play doesn't absolve it from being dirty. That's Patriot level philosophy.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

If Suggs had actually re-injured his ACL on that play, I'm not sure how Chip was planning on getting out of Philly alive.

Fixed.