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NFL Pro Bowl Week: Neon Deion vs. The Fumbling Fraud

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Tabris

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quicken was way b4 me. i'm not a bandwagoner. i drive the manning bandwagon; broncos fans hopped on to my wagon and more the merrier
 
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JABEE

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Elfforkusu said:
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Bish is in love.
 
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jakncoke

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Id rather be a OC on the local factories flag football team than touch the browns with a 200 mile penis. Let the Browns burn in HELLLLLLLL
 
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Salazar

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jakncoke said:
garywhitta has no balls to show his face in this thread.
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Fear is not real. The only place that fear can exist is in our thoughts of the future. It is a product of our imagination, causing us to fear things that do not at present and may not ever exist. That is near insanity jakncoke. Do not misunderstand me, danger is very real, but fear is a choice.
 
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Hitokage

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Salazar said:
Fear is not real. The only place that fear can exist is in our thoughts of the future. It is a product of our imagination, causing us to fear things that do not at present and may not ever exist. That is near insanity jakncoke. Do not misunderstand me, danger is very real, but fear is a choice.
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So fear is what causes fear. Thanks, Gary!
 
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squicken

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First round picks from the 2011 draft class are in for a rude awakening

In a survey of 10 NFL general managers and/or salary cap specialists, all of them said they expect almost every player from the first round in 2011 to be tendered for a fifth year in their contract rather than sign a long-term extension this year. Simply put, a system that was advertised as a way to reward players who perform has instead turned into leverage against the players.

Or as one team executive put it: “Why wouldn’t you just put the option on them?”

In response, numerous agents said the system is clearly broken.

“The (NFL Players Association) sold the best players in the draft down the river,”
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For instance, standout defensive ends Watt, Robert Quinn, Cameron Jordan and Muhammad Wilkerson project to have fifth-year salaries of only $5.25 million in 2015, according to Spotrac.com figures. While several executives said the number will probably be a little more than $6 million by the time new figures come in, the salary is still relatively small.

And not guaranteed. Beyond that, those players can be franchised in 2016, giving teams ample control of them through the 2016 season.

In the case of Watt, who is due to make just over $1.9 million this season, if his fifth-year option is $6 million and the franchise tag is $12 million for him in 2016, the Texans essentially have him under contract for three more years at only $20 million. On the open market, Watt might be worth double that.
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Thus, a player like Watt would be lucky to get $20 million guaranteed on a six-year, $60 million deal that would mean the first nine years of his career would be with Houston. Compare that to defensive ends Jared Allen (six-year deal for $73.2 million with $31 million guaranteed) or Mario Williams (six years, $96 million with $50 million guaranteed).
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Basically ensures that first round picks will play with the teams that drafted them through their primes since the team will have all the leverage
 
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BigAT

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squicken said:
First round picks from the 2011 draft class are in for a rude awakening




Basically ensures that first round picks will play with the teams that drafted them through their primes since the team will have all the leverage
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It's why I have seen the interesting strategy brought up of teams trading up to take quarterbacks late in the first round even if they could get the same player in the second. They value the extra year of control much more than the minimal amount more they pay for a first-round contract.
 
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yankeehater

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So it looks like there is a real chance of bad weather for the SB now. Will people use a SB loss to continue the Manning is a choker narrative if it is snowy with strong winds during the game? I kind of feel bad for Denver because they worked so hard to get to the SB and it just happens to be the year that the NFL tries this experiment.
 
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Greg

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yankeehater said:
So it looks like there is a real chance of bad weather for the SB now. Will people use a SB loss to continue the Manning is a choker narrative if it is snowy with strong winds during the game? I kind of feel bad for Denver because they worked so hard to get to the SB and it just happens to be the year that the NFL tries this experiment.
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but what if they win?
 
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yankeehater

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Greg said:
but what if they win?
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If it is bad weather I dont see how Denver can win. If it is like the Lions Eagles game then it is going to favor the team that runs the ball better and plays better defense. Seattle has the advantage in both areas. Denver has to be able to pass to win.
 
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squicken

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Hammer24 said:
I think that's a good thing.
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In abstract I agree with you. But the CBA is so lopsided that the two sides will never work together to fix some of the game's issues. Any time the league comes to the union with a proposal, the union will try and change the financials

I think that 5th year option was sold as sort of a quasi-franchise tag, but it is so much lower. Cam Newton can be given a 5th year option for about $14m/yr, then after that they can decide if they want to extend him, cut him, or franchise tag him
 
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Hammer24

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squicken said:
In abstract I agree with you. But the CBA is so lopsided that the two sides will never work together to fix some of the game's issues. Any time the league comes to the union with a proposal, the union will try and change the financials
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Well, if it wouldn´t be the financials, I´m sure they´d something else to bitch and moan about. As far as I´m concerned, this is just part of the ritual mating dance.

I think that 5th year option was sold as sort of a quasi-franchise tag, but it is so much lower. Cam Newton can be given a 5th year option for about $14m/yr, then after that they can decide if they want to extend him, cut him, or franchise tag him
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I think QB is a bad example, as they have a longer productive life than f.i. RB´s. But if in the end, this trend would help to spread the money a bit more evenly around, it´d be great for all.

And as a fan, I´m fairly happy some dude I identify with stays longer with my team; and I don´t have to wake up one morning suddenly seeing him as some soldier of fortune.
 
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squicken

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The five factors: College football's most important stats

Looking forward to reading this later. Seems promising and I wonder how it translates to the NFL

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BigAT said:
It's why I have seen the interesting strategy brought up of teams trading up to take quarterbacks late in the first round even if they could get the same player in the second. They value the extra year of control much more than the minimal amount more they pay for a first-round contract.
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There was talk about that with the Jets and whichever QB they took, and people were surprised they didn't move up to take Geno. The thought was the end of the first round might have some extra value for teams wanting to trade back in and grab QBs. But last year was a bad test b/c there were no QBs
 
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Greg

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yankeehater said:
If it is bad weather I dont see how Denver can win. If it is like the Lions Eagles game then it is going to favor the team that runs the ball better and plays better defense. Seattle has the advantage in both areas. Denver has to be able to pass to win.
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still have to go out and play, protect the ball

anything can happen if the weather is that bad
 
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Himynameischris

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Greg said:
still have to go out and play, protect the ball

anything can happen if the weather is that bad
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denver almost won in New England and might have tied if it wasn't for a fluke special teams play, manning can make the short pass work and they can run the ball, I wouldn't count them out completely
 
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bionic77

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yankeehater said:
If it is bad weather I dont see how Denver can win. If it is like the Lions Eagles game then it is going to favor the team that runs the ball better and plays better defense. Seattle has the advantage in both areas. Denver has to be able to pass to win.
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I would think Denver has to run the ball on Seattle to be able to win and pick the right times to challenge the secondary.

Seattle has to figure a way to score some points.
 
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LJ11

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BigAT said:
It's why I have seen the interesting strategy brought up of teams trading up to take quarterbacks late in the first round even if they could get the same player in the second. They value the extra year of control much more than the minimal amount more they pay for a first-round contract.
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Not just QBs but any position to be quite honest, move up for an extra first just to lock up another cost controlled year. It's one of the reason I liked what Vikings did in the last draft. You lose depth but if you hit you have 3 cost controlled players for 5 years instead of 4.
 
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squicken

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STL beat writer says the buzz on Bridgewater is there's no way he's a top pick. "Tiny". Won't weight 200lbs. Manziel may have same issue but not as small
 
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