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NFL Pro Bowl Week: Neon Deion vs. The Fumbling Fraud
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The only problem I could see with this scenario is, that no position really stands out in this years draft. So I don´t expect a position specific "run", but teams actually drafting on a need or best available basis.
TheKaeptain
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I'm an editing student. We can watch porn in class if we wanted to.
Grover Cleveland
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Kasay was paid off to throw the game, I'm convinced of it!
...what?
Offensive tackle and OLB will almost certainly have 6 guys taken between the positions in the first 10 picks.
BlackGhost
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MECH!
it's happening!
it's happening!
Should have kept Richardson. Kubiak leans on a run game.
Spectral Glider
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I think Colbert's only traded down in the first round once during his tenure, and that was when they grabbed Hampton way back in '01. It's something that I wish he would do more of, but usually he's got his eye set on somebody in the first round and refuses to move out of his spot or, if he does, it's to move up like he did when they got Polamalu and Holmes.
sf2fanatic
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Jordan gets what he wants.
I love Watkins except for his size. I try to think of an elite top WR that is 6'1" and just can't come up with anyone. It's a position that is increasingly a bigger man's spot
Let´s wait and see, I´m not convinced. With the salary structure discussed earlier, I could even envision Teams reaching for QB´s.
yankeehater
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PFF rated DJax as the 7th best WR this year and he is only 5'10''. If he had another other WR on the team he would have been an even bigger factor this year, but even with Cooper and Avant as the other WRs he still had a great season. I have no idea what your definition of elite is but he is one of the best WRs in football right now.
Reggie Wayne is 6'0". Marvin was shorter than that. Roddy White is that height. Steve Smith is 5'9".
Those are all extremely productive receivers that are 6'0" or shorter.
I think Kyle is the better choice but it is the same system. Kubes is a quality OC and he will run the ball, which they need in that weather. ATL podcast was saying that Pettine doesn't get to choose his staff. Banner and Lombardi have that power. Would be nuts if true
Yeah I thought of those guys. They are all super technicians, which isn't Watkins game. Also not as dominant as RZ targets. I haven't made up my mind I guess but I just want my top 5/top 10 picks to check all boxes, and he fails the eyeball test for WR1
DeaconKnowledge
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You'd think so, but it happens every year. Only real question is if that position is going to be WR. Doubt it, but there are a ton of studs this year.
Yeah I know it's wishful thinking and Colbert probably has his lock guy. I want a ILB though!
:jnc 6'1" is too short now?
yankeehater
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The way the rules are going quick fast guys can have a huge impact, the only problem is they are not going to do as well in the RZ, but teams all seem to be going to the TEs in those spots now anyway.
Dutch Gronk
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And those aren't mutually exclusive.
This draft class has been hyped for the last two seasons. Hell, the class set a record by 25 players for juniors that declared early (98 this year, 73 last year).
yankeehater
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fixed
Dutch Gronk
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Elite at taking out players maybe.
Wes Welker
13 games played
73 receptions
778 yards
10 touchdowns
Julian Edelman
16 games played
105 receptions
1,056 yards
6 touchdowns
Hmm...
Julian Edelman is the black Wes welker
Seems like a non-sequitur.
The only quick, fast guy on that list was Steve Smith and that hasn't been true for him for a few years. Marvin was known as an elite route runner that knew how to keep away from contact. Reggie isn't known for his overwhelming athleticism, but he's been tremendous productive with those absurd hands and is as good of a guy running the fade in the redzone in the league even in spite of his size (ask Mech). Roddy's a strong guy that can run sideline routes as well as anyone in the league, but he's never been a burner.
I also forgot Chad Johnson on that list.
Goro Majima
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Looks like a wash statistically...have to see the times they were thrown to.
DeaconKnowledge
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I think the problem here is that you can come up with reason not to draft any of these WR/TE's in the first. They all have problems, be it height, route running ability, hands, or awareness. We all know that's not happening though.
yankeehater
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You are really basing it off of just this season? Wes plays on a team with other weapons so he doesnt get as many targets. I hope teams around the league think that Edelman is elite and someone over pays for him so that the Pats have no WRs next year.
Goro Majima
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Julian Edelman is an elite WR.
Well he kind of looks like a Dutch trance DJ so I guess I can see why you like this guy
he will continue the tradition of leaving for greener pastures
DeaconKnowledge
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You have a point, they're BOTH system Wide receivers!
Its why most of these unnamed NFL scout guys who leak "buzz" around a player are so contradictory and bogus.
Basically no one belongs in the top 10 depending on who you follow and trust. One guy would tell you Teddy is NFL ready and another that he is too small.
brandon marshall is 6'1", so is carbtree, victor cruz is 6'
harvin is 5'11"
But I agree for the most part, definitely want that 6'3" or so
Marshall is 6'4". I guess I'll just say I want my top 5 WRs looking the part. Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green
Rams need 4 new offensive linemen. Not a big deal if they pass on Watkins and draft WR at 13. Or trade down and just throw more darts at the position
DeaconKnowledge
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Not to get sidetracked, but is AJ Green an elite guy? He has the talent, but dude disappears in big moments.
Goro Majima
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It's true though, Calvin Johnson is arguably the best receiver in the NFL and he's 6'5". I mean the dude has tricked Kas into thinking Fatford is elite!
Like Megatron, I think you have to ask yourself is Andy Dalton good by himself or does AJ Green make Andy Dalton look way better than he is? I'm tempted to say AJ Green makes Dalton look good.
Totally agree. No point in drafting a WR high if he doesn't have all the talent and physical abilities. Too many quality recievers can be had later.
None of those guys were superb technicians coming out of college outside of Marvin. Reggie, Roddy, and Steve were all great athletes that had overwhelmed inferior talent over the years with just that. Reggie took about 2-3 years to turn into an excellent receiver.
Roddy was a strong, raw athlete when he got to the league, and he developed into a star when he figured out that he'd be more productive within 10-20 yards of the LoS, and he took another season to use his reputation for outs and digs to be more productive down the field.
Now, Watkins is faster than those guys by my estimation. Marvin, Reggie, and Roddy aren't really what you'd call explosive.
My point is, guys don't come into the league as finished products. Calvin Johnson is one of the rarest physical specimens to ever enter the league (and his college career will be the biggest waste of time in history, fucking Reggie Ball). Look at the other young, explosive receivers everyone points at - AJ and Julio. Those guys were athletes that stretched the field their first season and showed significant improvement in their second seasons.
Basically, if you're going to say "stop comparing these guys to Andrew Luck because he's a unicorn," think the same of the Calvin comparison.
Deac, I know you're the Buck Nasty of NFL-GAF but come on, man.
But how much of that is Dalton throwing to the opposite team?
Maybe if he had a better QB like Stafford who forced the ball to him all the time he would put up better #s.
DeaconKnowledge
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Who do you draft then? I'm sorry, but I think this OT love fest is overblown, and there aren't enough elite pass rushers to go around.
I think at very least Watkins, Evans, and maybe Marquise Lee will be gone inn the top 16.
Goro Majima
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I would probably draft Clowney first still....crazy as it sounds considering all of the questions surrounding him. He still has all the physical requirements any NFL team would have on their wishlist.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
:jnc
DeaconKnowledge
Member
You misspelled Silky Johnson.
Duck that. If Watkins is there at 15, you take him without hesitation. The only reason that guy says he's not a #1 is because he's not 6'4".
Ahahahaha.
Here's a few things I have on my mind today.
1. No one should celebrate Conference Championships, IMO. If you win it, great. But there is still one more game to play. I learned back in 2005 that no one should celebrate this. I remember it like it was yesterday. Everyone was buying all those "Seattle Seahawks: 2005 NFC CHAMPIONS!!!" shirts and hats. I couldn't go anywhere without seeing them. And when we lost, they were immediately followed by all those commemorative Super Bowl XL shirts and hats. I especially hate those. It's literally a medal for participation.
If you lose, it's even worse. If you celebrate a CCG loss, then you are quite literally asking for a participation medal.
And with all that said, fuck all the "Seattle Seahawks: 2014 NFC CHAMPIONS!!!" shirts and hats the stores are peddling. Thankfully, I haven't seen that shit around on campus or anything.
2. A good friend of mine told me yesterday that the Friend Zone isn't a real thing. Is that true? Because I tend to get stuck in the FZ a lot. I'm perpetually stuck in the FZ. I'm the Purgatory of FZ's. I'm the real life Black Chris Griffin. I'm the Cleveland Browns of the dating world. If Mewtwo represents dating at its greatness, then I'm Level 1 Magikarp. MIMS' rap career represents my dating life. I am to "game" as Rihanna is to professional acting. My mackin' ability is akin to Chris Christie's fitness. I could go on forever, but nah.
3. Is the Browns' front office ran by blondes, or something?
1. No one should celebrate Conference Championships, IMO. If you win it, great. But there is still one more game to play. I learned back in 2005 that no one should celebrate this. I remember it like it was yesterday. Everyone was buying all those "Seattle Seahawks: 2005 NFC CHAMPIONS!!!" shirts and hats. I couldn't go anywhere without seeing them. And when we lost, they were immediately followed by all those commemorative Super Bowl XL shirts and hats. I especially hate those. It's literally a medal for participation.
If you lose, it's even worse. If you celebrate a CCG loss, then you are quite literally asking for a participation medal.
And with all that said, fuck all the "Seattle Seahawks: 2014 NFC CHAMPIONS!!!" shirts and hats the stores are peddling. Thankfully, I haven't seen that shit around on campus or anything.
2. A good friend of mine told me yesterday that the Friend Zone isn't a real thing. Is that true? Because I tend to get stuck in the FZ a lot. I'm perpetually stuck in the FZ. I'm the Purgatory of FZ's. I'm the real life Black Chris Griffin. I'm the Cleveland Browns of the dating world. If Mewtwo represents dating at its greatness, then I'm Level 1 Magikarp. MIMS' rap career represents my dating life. I am to "game" as Rihanna is to professional acting. My mackin' ability is akin to Chris Christie's fitness. I could go on forever, but nah.
3. Is the Browns' front office ran by blondes, or something?