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NFL Training Camp/Preseason Thread 2012 - A Farewell to snes :(
- Thread starter chuckddd
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You can look up some 2004 Giant games and see, outside Barber, the Giants had no other play makers. Toomer was injured for a good part of the year, Ike Hillard was on his last legs and ran like cement, Shockey was in and out, and the line was fringe; basically new in 2005. They went out to sign Plaxico and Kareem McKenzie as their big tickets for offense the following year.
Unless you're wholly underrating Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, and the duo of Williams and Stewart.
TheLegendary
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Ahahahahahahahababab
Hey, he had like 30 catches last year. DO NOT UNDERRATE HIM!!
Marcellus Rivers was better, perhaps you're right.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Jeff Blake was indeed awesome
Can't really say Shockey was in and out 8 years ago and then say he was underrated last year...
His 40 yards deep 60 yards high ball was my favorite deep ball technique ever. Every long pass was like a punt!
storybook77
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It indeed did save the punter from being over worked.
Blake's deep ball was indeed awesome (it would just drop out of nowhere into the receivers hands) and it figures ez loves him as he was one of the better Bungles qbs.
I think Jeff Georges deep ball was probably my favorite though. It looked unnatural. Like something out of Tecmo Bowl. He could seemingly throw the ball 60 yards with no effort and it would have a trajectory that was a flat as Tammy's chest. Granted it would be an INT as often as a reception but I was a kid back then and didn't know any better!
I think Jeff Georges deep ball was probably my favorite though. It looked unnatural. Like something out of Tecmo Bowl. He could seemingly throw the ball 60 yards with no effort and it would have a trajectory that was a flat as Tammy's chest. Granted it would be an INT as often as a reception but I was a kid back then and didn't know any better!
Didn't mean he was as a single player, but as the whole unit. The '04 Giants had Barber and little of anything else. Not sure how Eli had the best talent surrounding him that year. None of the receivers could get yards after catch, and the only one who was able to go deep and make a play was Jamaar Taylor, who was out of football a season after.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
When do we do picks?
I doubt this. Didn't he have a good season last year? Some team will definitely pick him up. Unless he is too injured.
TheLegendary
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But you specifically cite Shockey as a negative for Eli but as a positive for Cam. Even though he's 8 years older now and hasn't been relevant in years.
Your logic confounds me.
He wasn't a negative, but he battled injuries (as he's done his whole career, including 2011). Marcellus Rivers got ample time that season because of it.
BaltimoreLarry
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Jeff Blake is the poor man's Tony Banks. Banks has a ring.
I guess the logic behind the theory is that they needed scrub receivers to play in the 4th preseason game so they kept Ebert, Holley, etc. and could bring back Gaffney or Stallworth after the 1st week, when the veterans' contract is no longer guaranteed.
Gaffney also signed with the Patriots almost immediately after being released from the Redskins. It's entirely possible they have a kind of understanding with him that he'll be brought back, like they did with Gerard Warren last year. I'm skeptical though. I think he'll go somewhere else.
Wasn't Blake on that Ravens team too? He played for them a season around then I thought?
I remember him on the Bungles and Saints.
Did not know he played on the Ravens as well.
Sad that Cowboys can't even make the cut.
He floated around like 7 teams if I recall correctly. Never really played.
This is what I was getting at in my post.
BTW, it looks like John Fox's final FU to the Panthers were his terrible last two drafts:
2009
2. DE Everette Brown (Traded 2010 First Round Pick) - Cut
2. DB Sherrod Martin - Benched
3. DT Corey Irvin - Cut
4. RB Mike Goodson - Traded
4. FB Tony Fiametta - Cut
5. OG Duke Robinson - Cut
7. CB Captain Munnerlyn - #2/Slot CB (only good pick)
2010
2. QB Jimmy Clausen - LOL
3. WR Brandon LaFell - Starter, #2 WR
3. WR/QB Armanti Edwards (Traded 2011 Second Round Pick) - Won't be on roster come Friday 9:00PM EST
4. DE Eric Norwood - Cut
6. DE Greg Hardy - Starter
6. WR David Gettis - Showed promise in Year 1, injured last season, on PUP list
6. S Jordan Pugh - Most likely will be cut
6. QB Tony Pike - Cut
7. CB RJ Stanford - Secondary depth, most likely will be cut
7. CB Robert McClain - Secondary depth
Just fucking horrendous, especially 2009
BaltimoreLarry
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I forgot about that. That led me to this list. Before the Steve McNair era, so 1998-2005, the Ravens starting QBs were as follows.
Kyle Boller
Jeff Blake (10 games in 02)
Chris Redman
Anthony Wright
Elvis Grbac
Randall Cunningham
The WOAT Trent Dilfer
Tony Banks
Worst Harbaugh
Eric Zeier
Stoney Case
Scott Mitchell
Which makes me even more grateful to have such an elite QB now....Joe Flacco.
FrenchMovieTheme
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No! Of course not!
TheLegendary
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Futurevoid
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News for Eagles fans:
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Also, Billy Cundiff is now a Redskin (Gano has been cut):
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/42425/billy-cundiff-is-the-redskins-new-kicker
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Also, Billy Cundiff is now a Redskin (Gano has been cut):
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/42425/billy-cundiff-is-the-redskins-new-kicker
yankeehater
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Man it is going to be a great scene when BWest retires. Such a great player.
BaltimoreLarry
Member
Enjoy those kickoffs!
We welcome all Broncos lifelongs with open arms. Tebow has laid the foundations of love and inclusiveness. We even accepted Tabris into our fold.
How much say did Fox have in all those picks out of curiosity?
My memory of him running by Carlos Emmons who was seemingly standing still is painted in my brain.
Thus, some Giant fans created this:
my god that is amazing
FrenchMovieTheme
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Earl Thomas should retire after how badly Westbrook bitched him when he was on the niners!
It's like the receiver isn't even sure he's the target for the pass. "This can't possibly be for me, right?"
Futurevoid
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TheLegendary said:
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Tebow fucking sucks
just make him into a RB and move on imo.
Giving up future picks to move up in a draft is usually bad news even if the player pans out (unless its a QB). Doing it for a player that eventually gets cut should trigger an automatic firing.
Futurevoid
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The Raid: Redemption is good shit.
Of course Hurney had input. Clausen was all Hurney (and I suspect Edwards might have been a well), but Fox damn sure was the one pushing to give up a pick for Everette Brown and responsible for using high-round picks on Martin and Norwood.
People keep saying this, but would he even be any good? He had some impressive runs, but most of those started as a pass play, afaik. He'd probably just turn into a poor man's Peyton Hillis.
Big Baybee
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Goddamn do I hate hurricanes.
Hopefully its not too bad for all ppl affected. I wish it would come more west so we would get some rain here in San Antonio though....
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
ranks my team, plebs
not the greatest, I think: DHB and Tebow (as a joke!). Still, Stafford.
not the greatest, I think: DHB and Tebow (as a joke!). Still, Stafford.
no need to be ashamed here - we all know it wasn't a joke pick
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
if the jets face a terrible run defense I might put him in...only if stafford has a bye and peyton is sucking
ranks my team, plebs
not the greatest, I think: DHB and Tebow (as a joke!). Still, Stafford.
How many teams? You've got basically nothing at RB...