cuevas. PhD.
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You just contradicted what lj said.
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NFL Week 10 |OT| Wish You Were Here
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You just contradicted what lj said.
LJ said Luck couldn't throw the 9, the play spin referenced was a 9 thrown poorly. How did he contradict him? He falls off on his throw. wonder if he placed it wrong or if it was a result of that
edit: Luck really does have it nice. Cam did too. Most high picks aren't throwing to guys like Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith
LJ said Luck couldn't throw the 9, the play spin referenced was a 9 thrown poorly. How did he contradict him? He falls off on his throw. wonder if he placed it wrong or if it was a result of that
edit: Luck really does have it nice. Cam did too. Most high picks aren't throwing to guys like Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith
Upon further review, it looks like Luck threw a fade and Reggie ran a streak.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-the-NFL-route-tree.html
How does a streak differ from a Go/9? Is that a route stem? Isn't 9 straight up the field? Looking around a little I see some teams use different terminology on out and inward breaking routes
Futurevoid
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I don't believe it does. Same play call as the receiver is tasked with running down the field. How they release from the line can differ depending on whether the coverage is man or off but the goal is the same - run straight down the field and hopefully occupy the safety.squicken said:
Yes, Wayne "stems" his route and executes a double move using the defenders technique against him to "fake" to the outside. He's attacking the coverage and using the corner's technique against them forcing him to open his hips long enough to blow by and put him in a trail technique. That's a TD with the right throw.squicken said:
Alternatively, Wayne could have tried to stem the route to the inside of the defender since he's in man coverage forcing him to turn his hips, then he could plant his foot and run to the outside. Technically the same route but the release at the line can be executed differently based on what he sees in the coverage. The defender lines up a bit to the inside of Wayne though so an inside move on him may not have worked as well as the double move which he executed. That's my own read of it though I could be wrong....
Buckethead
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Well I finally slept, that's a plus.
Now I'm hungry.
I could eat a Sconi baby (roughly the size of a sea cow or small hippo).
Now I'm hungry.
I could eat a Sconi baby (roughly the size of a sea cow or small hippo).
It's the same. A fade, imo, would be specifically up the sideline. So I'm going to disagree with this fellow's route tree. You can run a 9 up the seam and there's no way it'd be called a fade. The reason I'm saying it looks like Luck is throwing a fade is because that's the throw qb's usually try and drop into a trash can. If you look at that pass, it's exactly 20 yards, dropping right on the line.
Thanks for the info fellas. On Bowen's chart he has a different description for the 9 than what he describes or how it's popularly understood.
I see what you're doing, and I like it.
Great link.
yankeehater
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So the Eagles had 20 plays inside the Saints redzone last week and they gained positive yards on 1 of them.
Holy shit
AngmarsKing701
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We're in Pittsburgh for a hockey tournament this weekend. We took the kids up the Duquesne incline yesterday. At the top there is this little old lady with red hair manning the ticket booth. She helpfully points out where Three Rivers Stadium used to be and then proceeds to tell us how much she hates Joe Flacco. She gave me a fist bump too.
Steelers fans are awesome.
Steelers fans are awesome.
yankeehater
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They were outscored 7-6 by the Saints in the Saints redzone.
I thought real Steelers fans loved Joe Flacco?
That is unreal. I don't even know what they can do. They couldn't seem to run it down there either
Well you can't blame Vick, that defense is the best in the league according to that nerd in the Verizon commercial.
The game was awesome last night!
yankeehater
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Yeah they lost yards on every single redzone handoff. Teams stack the box and jam the WR when the Eagles are in the RZ. The pressure up the middle blows up the running plays and Vick isnt seeing the bltiz well so they cant pass.
Huh?
was quoting the commercial.
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yankeehater
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The Jimmy Johnson one is good for all the shit they talk about Jerry. Plus you get to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff that we dont normally get to see.
Alright, sounds good. Thanks!
Nemesis121
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I love the Belichick one, when the Saints were beating the crap out of them...
the quality is shit....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aywDxP2JZbM#t=245s
Alligatorjandro
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They're are all pretty good.
I've already seen that one.
Also, you're a meanie. I should pull a jakncoke and leave this thread for a while because you made fun of my team.
I'd think so, but I can't watch them all at once ;-)
The Saints and the Vikings of that year were some of the most elite teams i have ever seen. Of course the cheatriots of 2007 tops them, but these two teams were amazing to watch. That game was absolutely glorious from top to bottom.
What's with Tom's awkward nodding? Lol.
You'd think they barely knew each other if you didn't know who they were.
OK, I sent this to a friend of mine who just started playing football this year (I recruited him for this most beautiful game) and now we're caught up in a bit of an argument over the comeback route, specifically, the angle at which the player comes back. This diagram makes it look like he breaks to the outside. My friend is convinced that it's only a "real" comeback if he turns back 180 degrees (or goes to the inside, I think), since otherwise he wouldn't really be "coming back" towards the QB.
So does comeback refer to all routes that include the player turning around? Or only the ones where he breaks outside?
please don't make fun of us. Noone teaches us these things over here
Which is almost as mindnumbing as the Eagles being turned away from the red zone four consecutive times last season against the 49ers.
The Falcons were great in the redzone when Vick was here with Dunn and Duckett in the backfield, Peerless Price and Dez White on the outside, and Alge on the inside. We got business done on rollouts having Alge along the back of the endzone and Griffith rolling at the front. And this was with Greg fucking Knapp calling the plays.
Red Zones? How do they work!
I was taught that a hitch is the same as a curl is the same as a comeback. Different coaches will call them different things usually depending upon their depth. I listed them from short to long. So, a hitch would be 2-3 yards or less, usually used for wr screens. A curl would be 7-10 yards. A comeback would be 15-20 yards.
manfestival
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Go bears!
Don't say that name in this thread.
Great RZ teams can run the ball. Eagles can run the ball, but they elect not to. And it's not just an old Reid stereotype. It was on full display on national television!
Pretty sure the Packers have been one of the best red zone teams in football the past few years.
Spectral Glider
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I love the incline, great shot of the city from up there.
I also struggle a lot with the various nomenclature, as it seems a lot of stuff is used interchangeably and sometimes has different meanings depending on who is using it.
I think as far as a "comeback route" that is a route breaking towards the sideline. The Colts with Manning to Wayne and Harrison used this a lot. I don't think a WR would ever do a complete 180 and run b/c of the time it would take to do that
Hines Ward on a Curl route
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQdluYWJuek&feature=related
Announcer calls this an out but it's a comeback route
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gTH8RGJus
the stats will tell you it's because of Rodgers, but we all know the real reason the passing game opens up in the red zone is the fear of Kuhn
They talk about this a lot in STL b/c the Rams are awful in the RZ (I maintain they are awful everywhere and people get obsessed with RZ a bit too much). LJ has posted a few still from Bills games and I have from some Rams games.
You have to have a QB that can throw the fade/back shoulder and WRs that can catch those contested passes in the air. That opens up the slant which gets the safeties out of the box.
I'm not claiming any sort of insight. I'm just parroting what I've heard on that
You don't "have" to have anything.
Packers have receivers that can beat one-on-one matchups on a consistent basis, and Rodgers has the best ball placement of any QB in the league. Not hard to imagine why they're so successful in the red zone. Puts an incredible amount of stress on the backend of your defense because Rodgers is going to find the weak link and exploit it (see: Owens, Chris).
Now if motherfucking Jermichael Finley could catch a cold, they'd probably average another TD/game.
T_T
Now if motherfucking Jermichael Finley could catch a cold, they'd probably average another TD/game.
T_T
give him a break - he's built a lot of chemistry with Rodgers off the field, and he knows he has a lot of potential
they sink from the hole he put in the raft the night before
he fires the grenade launcher at the sky in celebration