Futurevoid
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What? You don't remember?Alligatorjandro said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQAmuZ8t94
How are you a Pats fan again?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQAmuZ8t94
How are you a Pats fan again?
The_Darkest_Red
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It's crazy how close the Pats play divisional games. In their seven game win streak they've won by an average of 34 points over non-divisional teams (3 games) and only 11 points over teams in their division (4 games). And the Jets, Dolphins, and Bills aren't exactly tearing it up this year.
Those Pats loses seem so far away now, though. They are hot right now.
He isn't.
Went to school at Northwestern. Stayed in Chicago for a few years. Just moved to Ann Arbor to secretly undermine Fatty Hoke's regime.
Alligatorjandro
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You curse your own team by calling me a Jags fan.
That's not a curse. Showing an avatar before the bet is over or taking the losing avatar off before the time is over leads to a curse. MechDX screwed up.
yankeehater
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They are hot not but that is going to run out some time. I just hope it happens before the SB this year. I would rather see a new team get beat down by the NFC.
Ah. So you're a Meeeechigan man.
I absolutely agree. The joke on GAF is that 1 SB > 3 NFCCG. And for a fan that is true. But for a good organization that is very much false. Getting an elite QB is pure luck, and then which one of those gets the title any given year is another random event
I just question how much patience the fans have. I can tell you that HOU fans will sit on their hands next week and wait for something to go wrong. They will boo the Texans on the first 3 and out. If the Falcons have rough first quarter in their firt playoff game, I imagine they'll get the same. Just wonder what the masses will think of bringing back Ryan if they go one and done, especially if his numbers are close to Brees money
cuevas. PhD.
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The bears are set up for a Super Bowl run!
yankeehater
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You are so right, the only difference between the Texans and those teams is at the QB position. Texans compare favorably in all other areas, except maybe coaching.
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Futurevoid
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Here you go:
EDIT: Eagles update:
EDIT: Eagles update:
Schaub for Sanchez straight up.
Alligatorjandro
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The Pats shouldve let them score sooner
storybook77
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This is why I snicker when people say if we don't win in the playoffs this year then Smith and Ryan should be gone.
Yea, it'll be disappointing but do we really want to tempt fate by knee-jerk replacing the two guys that have consistently won for this franchise for the first time ever?
People tend to forget our history rather quickly.
Instead of complaining about the Texans waving the white flag to start the 4th quarter which is basically unheard of? I've seen countless blowouts there and never seen a team of that caliber surrender. Flat out concede a game that early.
Alligatorjandro
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AndresON777
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There's no one to replace Matt with but Smitty should be fired.
Look what a coach like Harbaugh did with Alex. Smith is a dumb ass and he's soft.
Futurevoid
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I agree with the underlying point that good organizations are generally far more patient than fans. They have to be as they understand the difficulties in getting to the big game not to mention that there is an amount of luck and the ball bouncing your way to achieve a Super Bowl win given the parity in the league.squicken said:
I do, however disagree with the assertion that any organization would prefer 3 NFCCG over a Super Bowl. The end goal of this game we watch is to hoist that Lombardi. Ask any Coach/Owner/GM in this league if they would prefer supposedly "sustained" success in reaching a conference championship game for 3 years in a row or hoisting that trophy once in that span? It's not even a contest - they'll pick the latter option every time and twice on Sunday. Of course most would cheat and say they'd like both but they can't all have their cake and eat it too.
Ask Mike T or Rex with the Jets which he would have preferred?
Or Andy Reid?
The standards around here have really fallen.
storybook77
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Benched him and replaced him with a 2nd year guy halfway through the season?
The_Darkest_Red
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Haha, I love how Mark Sanchez is now basically the benchmark for awful QB play. That is the silver lining in this season for me.
AndresON777
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You know what I mean. He played we'll last year until the Giants (and Kyle Williams lol) ended their season.
No, the joke was theduce22 convincing himself the opposite was true for the Eagles.
yankeehater
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I agree with the underlying point that good organizations are generally far more patient than fans. They have to be as they understand the difficulties in getting to the big game not to mention that there is an amount of luck and the ball bouncing your way to achieve a Super Bowl win given the parity in the league.
I do, however disagree with the assertion that any organization would prefer 3 NFCCG over a Super Bowl. The end goal of this game we watch is to hoist that Lombardi. Ask any Coach/Owner/GM in this league if they would prefer supposedly "sustained" success in reaching a conference championship game for 3 years in a row or hoisting that trophy once in that span? It's not even a contest - they'll pick the latter option every time and twice on Sunday. Of course most would cheat and say they'd like both but they can't all have their cake and eat it too.
Ask Mike T or Rex with the Jets which he would have preferred?
Or Andy Reid?
Coaches and GMs would definitely rather win a SB, but I bet every owner woul take the 3 NFCC games. If you win a SB but miss the playoffs the other 2 years then at most you would win 4 playoff games in those 3 years. While you could win 6 playoff games the other way, those 2 extra wins, and 2 or 3 extra games that you lose adds up to a lot of extra revenue.
Yeah. I give my roommate shit about being a Raiders fan and liking the Rams, He also roots for Peyton as well (SAME FUCKING CONFERENCE?!).
It's like I have my own personal squicken.
Im telling you right now. Houston football is cursed! People told me last night I shouldnt be bitchin about a curse because we were not Cleveland or Atlanta...etc...they seem to forget the damn Oiler years. Remember 1993 Oilers in Buffalo!!
...? The alternatives weren't win consistently or win a Superbowl and then suck.I agree with the underlying point that good organizations are generally far more patient than fans. They have to be as they understand the difficulties in getting to the big game not to mention that there is an amount of luck and the ball bouncing your way to achieve a Super Bowl win given the parity in the league.
I do, however disagree with the assertion that any organization would prefer 3 NFCCG over a Super Bowl. The end goal of this game we watch is to hoist that Lombardi. Ask any Coach/Owner/GM in this league if they would prefer supposedly "sustained" success in reaching a conference championship game for 3 years in a row or hoisting that trophy once in that span? It's not even a contest - they'll pick the latter option every time and twice on Sunday. Of course most would cheat and say they'd like both but they can't all have their cake and eat it too.
Ask Mike T or Rex with the Jets which he would have preferred?
Or Andy Reid?
The alternates were: continue the course with consistent success or change course haphazardly because your QB might be good but not great.
I'm sorry about the avatar. But we were the underdogs going in.
Oh well that's them breaks :\
The_Darkest_Red
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interesting...
does anyone think if Sean Payton moves on, he'll take Chase Daniel with him?...Maybe to Dallas...to *backup* Romo, until Payton Harbaughs Tony.
Alligatorjandro
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I dont know what makes you think Im a Jag fan but I told you the Texans suck
"Short -> He's the next Drew Brees" has really overtaken "Black -> He's the next Mike Vick" in the QB stereotypes game.
Futurevoid
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Talon said:
I didn't say they were and I'm not speaking specifically about the Falcons (i.e. I'm not telling you to dump your QB).Talon said:
I'm saying that from an general organizational standpoint - the end goal is to win a championship. Period. Sustained success is fine (and certainly wanted) but you only need to look at the Eagles to see where sustained success becomes meaningless.
..and by the way that isn't a knock against the Eagles. Most Eagles fan would tell you its become meaningless. I have to listen to them all day.
Of course you hate the Texans. Division rivals and all.
Yup. I think the Texans are going to be good for the next few years, be competitive..but can't win the big one.
I don't know if it's worth the risk tanking and drafting a bust QB, or selling the farm to get an ELITE QB.
I think good but not great has been accepted because we were just so fuking bad before.
I was so happy last year winning the division. This year I'm so down and we're 11-2!
Success requires more success, and at some point good isn't good enough I guess.
storybook77
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I think it varies from franchise to franchise depending on their history, finances, location, etc....teams like Dallas, Philly, New York, New England, etc....are superbowl or bust teams.
Other teams want to win the Superbowl but would be fine with showing signs of consistent success over the short-term.
I think the Falcons are starting to approach the line where it will become a superbowl or bust mentality but I don't think they're quite there yet.
We're having two different conversations here.
As a GM or Coach, your primary motivation is to keep your job. It's all about risk. 31 teams don't win the Superbowl every year. Maybe Biscotti gets tired of 9-12 win seasons without a ring at some point, but it's certainly not going to be this season.
Harbaugh is going to stick with a guy like Joe Flacco because he is, regardless of what anyone here says, a Top 16 QB, and he's going to give you winning seasons. You're not going to do what Squicken suggests and dump him to take a chance by starting all over with a new guy.
It got Andy Reid, what, almost 14 years in Philadelphia?
This Peyton Manning scenario this offseason is a once-in-a-decade chance to take a flyer on a HoF QB. Is that going to happen with LORD BRADY in three or four years? Doubtful.
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