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NFL Week 8 |OT| Take A Chill Pill
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Futurevoid
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You're #2 in overall defense which they judge by how many yards per game the team is giving up. The Steelers are giving up 277.3 yds/game which is behind only Houston.bionic77 said:
When you start digging:
The Steelers defense is ranked 12th in Points allowed per game at 22
The Steelers defense is ranked 31st in 3rd conversion percentage allowed at 47%
The Steelers defense is ranked 8th allowing 5 yards per play
The Steelers defense is ranked 9th in allowing 92.5 yards per game rushing.
The Steelers defense is ranked 2nd in allowing 184.8 per game passing.
How's it blown coverage when the athlete is just better than the defenders? They had him bracketed and Cruz runs by them.
If you dont mind, dig up the Saints defense stats in all these categories for laughs.
cuevas. PhD.
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Bears 1st in the most important category.
VeryGooster
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You should know by now, I prefer it when the Giants don't get any headlines or "respect" as it were. The results are usually better.
This is why I throw a hissy fit when I see ESPN pick the Giants unanimously to win. :lol
Futurevoid
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Sure.cajunator said:
The Saints are the 32nd overall ranked defense allowing 465.5 yards per game.
The Saints defense is ranked 29th allowing 30.3 points per game.
The Saints defense is ranked 14th in 3rd down conversion percentage allowed at 38%
The Saints defense is ranked 32nd allowing 6.6 yards per play
The Saints defense is ranked 31st allowing 160.3 yards per game rushing
The Saints defense is ranked 30th allowing 305.2 yards per game passing
Points per game? You are correct. They have only allowed 13 points per game this season.cuevas said:
Funny stat about the Giants defense that fans tend to ignore while they give up a ton of yardage. They are a top ten defense in points allowed. Number 9 at the moment in fact allowing 19.6 points per game. They are also #6 ranked in 3rd down conversion percentage. Allowing 34%. They also lead the league with 18 turnovers.
Also, the worst defense in the NFL from a points per game standpoint? The Tennessee Titans. They allow a whopping 34 points per game average.
Typical disclaimer: Stats don't always tell the whole story. You have to take in quality of the competition and other factors so this is just purely for the sake of the discussion.
If a high school kids beats up a kindergardner is that fair? Yes Madieu Williams is that bad, I hope we take Byrd off your hands in the offseason.
All of those stats, with the exception of 3rd down conversion, do not correspond with how bad our defense has been on the field.
Or maybe I am delusional. But they have looked laughably bad. I mean if I recall correctly, Oakland scored everytime they had the ball against us in the 2nd half. Oakland is a below average team on offense and even an average defense doesn't let that happen.
Spectral Glider
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Yeah, their number 2 ranking is misleading. For one, their offense is ranked second in the league in time of possession, which means the defense isn't it out there as much as the other teams. And two, they've played one fewer game than half the league.
Lol. The Saints D really is abysmal.
and people wonder why the team paid Brees all that money. He's the only thing keeping the team from imploding, but he still needs some help. Putting it all on him is definitely not fair to do. Plus the defense not getting the ball back means Brees has to be perfect on every drive. No QB can do that. Its just incredible how the team hasnt gotten better on defense since 06 despite having three different coordinators. Despite that they still had a pretty great winning record and managed to hide the deficiencies somehow. Sean Payton is a pretty damned good coach. But I do kind of wonder what it will take to get the Saints D to a respectable level.
No they didn't. Watch the replay again. Textbook trail technique, man over and man under. Williams blew his coverage so poorly he deserves being cut.
He played it as if it was deep safety man and never once took the top. Look how late he begins his coverage! It was as if Williams didn't even acknowledge Hall on the play.
Painful to watch.
Futurevoid
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I direct you towards my disclaimer.Spectral Glider said:
Funny part is that Hall wasn't even in on the coverage. That was Josh Wilson.LevelNth said:
Seriously though, why the hell are players like Shanle and Roman Harper still starting on Saints defense? I have no idea how these guys keep their jobs.
It does seem like they outplay the rookies in camp only to fall apart when the actual season rolls around. Its infuriating.
It does seem like they outplay the rookies in camp only to fall apart when the actual season rolls around. Its infuriating.
Some places list a money line, and sometimes you have to convert the spread to a money line. In this case, with Philly giving 2.5, if you want to simply bet that the Eagles will win, you have to lay $140 to win $100. If you wanted the Falcons straight up, you would win $120 when laying $100.
Futurevoid
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So Mario Williams apparently had his wrist surgery? Doesn't look like he'll miss any games either.
Damn, just read the OP and the last page. Truly sad.
Yeah it is. Damn, man.
What's the formula for converting the spread to the money line. I'm not seeing how you getting 140 and 120 from the -110.
Madieu Williams was playing the out route to the sidelines. Besides,how do you let someone beat you deep at all in that situation? I can understand him being speedy, but rule #1 in that situation has to be DON'T GET BEAT DEEP. All that jazz about "the prevent defense only prevents you from winning"...well, not always! smh
Yep. The offense is very hard to stop right now. Team should be 5-2, 6-1. That the Skins are 3-4 with no reliable #1/#2 receiver, no pass rush, a below average punter, a failed kicker, and no secondary is even more amazing quite frankly. While I imagine the wheels are going to completely fall off soon and we'll end up around the same record as last year, if we manage to get to 8-8, or even 9-7, I can't see how RG3 doesn't get MVP, playoff spot or not. Without him this is a 3-13 team or worse.
yeah, and that young too... ugh
really hits close to home because my oldest brother is about the same age and just finished treatment a few months ago
Futurevoid
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I didn't interact with him at all but I've lurked quite a bit in the PoliGaf thread for years even before I joined NFL-Gaf and enjoyed his posts. To go that young is a travesty. Fuck cancer.eznark said:
Right, they just got beat by a better player, life's not fair.
If he doesn't get tagged, two teams have a beat on nabbing Byrd if they want him, and one is clearly the Bears.
They had Cruz played inside/outside that's what it looks like if you watch the replay, it explains why Williams was so shallow. Inside guy is playing inside leverage, and Madieu is set to drive on anything to the outside. Problem is, Cruz just went vertical. Just outran the coverage call if ask me.
Yeah, Williams was playing the out, we agree on that, but I don't know why his coaches told him to play it that way. It's clearly by design, or the dude would have stayed deep and over the top.
It's especially dumb with Cruz because he loves the dig/curl. All three look vertical, and he's playing in the slot to boot, which mean he doesn't have to release inside, he's already there.
Each sports book has it's own conversion. They will only list a separate money line if it deviates from their standard conversion. Ignore the -110 when making the conversion. The point spread is what matters when converting.
On the -110, that is vig(this is basically a "tax" by the casino so that they make money on your bet) on the point spread, and doesn't directly apply to the money line. In the line you posted, if you want want to make a wager taking or giving the points, or better the over or under, you have to lay out $110 to make $100.
Irrelevant who it was, they played their proper assignment. Fault is on Williams.
storybook77
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Damn. I didn't know the guy, and I'm not a religious person by any means but my thoughts are definitely with his GF and family. Tragic.
How my wife handles dealing with this kind of thing as a nurse, I'll never know. Just reading a post about it depresses me.
Gotcha.
Futurevoid
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Not disputing that. Just pointing out that the guy making the comments about it had nothing to do with the play is all.LevelNth said:
Some people are just adept at handling certain situations.
Some people can look at blood and guts and just see a job that needs to be done to fix it. Others look the other way and puke.
How often do you see snakes and shit out there.
storybook77
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Very true. She does have some hit home every once in a while and I'm the one that has to remind her that it's unfortunately the nature of her job but overall, she holds up really well.
I'd be a fucking mess.
That's the million dollar question, was it by design or did he simply have extraordinarily bad technique? Either way, I blame both him and Haslett. One for not having good technique and hustle, the other for not realizing the situation. If you don't want to have two deep to give up the cheap shit underneath, fine, but at least BUMP Cruz at the line or otherwise re-route him! The Giants had (1? 0?) timeouts left! Every completion that wasn't a TD burns off 15 seconds! Worst case scenario is you give up a FG and go to OT!
I will say this as well: As soon as that first Redskins drive ended with a FG at the Giants 3 yard line, I knew it would come back to haunt them. Starting your drive at your own 5 and going 95 yards and 10 minutes for a TD? That's a big morale killer for a defense (not to mention tiring them out). That 4 points ended up being the margin of victory. I'd have gone for it on 4th and 3 there, just setting that psychological tone of "you will not stop us."
Already trying to get out of CLE. Taking a RB that high is crazy, but it's especially bad given his injuries.
Snakes all the time. Alligators often. Swamps are pretty badass but honestly when you go out there early morning while its still cool and just go to the middle of the lake, it can be absolutely beautiful. Although this is morel ike a sunset sort of picture.
What exactly was wrong with his wrist? All I remember was that he complained about it then the team dismissed his complaints.
Goro Majima
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Well that's the quickest way to alienate yourself in Cleveland.
That was my other thought.
I doubt he's at that point yet, although he could be if the season keeps going like this.
At least Weeden seems to be panning out. He was named 4th captain this week.
Ugh I just had a moment at work and read through half of it.
RIP man. I remember fucking around with him in some sports GAF threads but I never really got into poliGAF. Still really sad. Especially his post before he went to the hospital for the last time. I love how his GF stood by him.
Also, fuck cancer up the ass. One of my wife's friends just died from cancer a month ago. She was 28. Her doctors missed it for 2 years and by the time they found it she only lasted another 5 months, mostly in agony.
A few of my family members have also died from cancer, including my mom, so I have a pretty big fear of getting it myself (which is one of the big reasons I try to eat and live healthy).
Seeing threads like that remind me of how trite all of our bickering over sports teams are in the grand scheme of things. None of this shit really matters. What does matter is the enjoyment of this community. hanging out with you guys even though you talk shit. I honestly have a lot of fun with all this and with all of you.
I sincerely hope you all have happy and healthy lives.
I sincerely hope you all have happy and healthy lives.
RIP scorcho. That was terribly sad to read. I feel for his family and friends and I know how much of a shock it can be. I got cancer back in 2007 and fortunately for me, it was caught early enough so that radiation therapy saved my life. But I was just a month or two away from the point of cancer spreading further. It also is a sobering reminder to continuously get yourself checked out by a doctor, even if the issue seems minor.
I feel for his family and friends and I know how much of a shock it can be. I got cancer back in 2007 and fortunately for me, it was caught early enough so that radiation therapy saved my life. But I was just a month or two away from the point of cancer spreading further. It also is a sobering reminder to continuously get yourself checked out by a doctor, even if the issue seems minor.RIP scorcho. That was terribly sad to read.
What issue did you have that made you go to doctor to get check out if you don't mind me asking?
The team didn't dismiss anything, Mario's a fucking bitch.
If he had an issue with it the team would've handled it accordingly, but Mario doesn't say anything until the media asks why he's been piss poor, then the wrist comes up, repeatedly.
He'd have to be an absolute moron to play it the way he did if his assignment was to stay over the top. He's on the ~36 yard line, feet not moving, with outside leverage. Williams is practically lined up at the numbers, that's not how you stay over the top on the slot receiver. It has to be the call, just doesn't make sense though I'm no expert.
RIP scorcho. That was terribly sad to read.
Been a few years since my last checkup. When I saw the thread a few weeks ago I immediately made it a priority.
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