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NFLPA director: likelihood of a strike/lockout in 2021 "almost a virtual certainty"
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
NFL still wants 18 games but they also will end up talking about league punishments and concussion protocol with the long term disability impact.
It'll be a mess and I predict the owners winning again because 53 players across 32 teams means the star power is spread out unlike basketball.
It'll be a mess and I predict the owners winning again because 53 players across 32 teams means the star power is spread out unlike basketball.
At a minimum.
AngmarsKing701
Member
The NFLPA will need to demand an independent body to handle punishment. Goodell is random af with how he deals these out.
Nemesis121
Member
Hahahahahaha the owners will never give them Guaranteed Contracts...they rather keep the gates close forever than do that...
ryutaro's mama
Member
The players will fold like chairs because their union is shit and they hate missing "game checks".
I feel zero pity for them.
The NFL has zero incentive to give that power up.
I feel zero pity for them.
The NFL has zero incentive to give that power up.
they need to band together better. part of the problem last time is some of the guys needed those game paychecks.
Not really possible as the NBA has far fewer players and the superstars are the most important asset the NBA has, this just isn't the case with the NFL.
The owners always win because of the nature of the sport. I predict a similar result this time around. Owners get 18 games, players get higher cap/ bigger piece of the pie and a third party to handle all disciplinary actions.
They will use replacement players. The NFL has no qualms doing so.
It's actually the opposite in the NFL. The rank and file do not want to miss any games because they want to be paid. One of the downsides of having a very short career.
They will use replacement players. The NFL has no qualms doing so.
It's actually the opposite in the NFL. The rank and file do not want to miss any games because they want to be paid. One of the downsides of having a very short career.
bullshit. they like money. They don't have money without players.
They'd have a better chance if the superstars already getting the big bucks stood by the rank and file guys that can't afford an injury, etc., but they won't. Too many people waiting in the wings to replace those low totem guys.
shira
Member
What kind of medical benefits are useful when your brain is scrambled eggs?
ryutaro's mama
Member
The players have zero leverage as they need the short term gains over the long term ones.
They always fold. Ownership knows this.
An NFL team owner has PLENTY of money without the NFL team. They didn't get there by being poor.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Exactly. For most NFL owners, their team is their side hustle.
fans ain't watching that shit.
no shit sherlock, you know what rich people like more than money? More fucking money.
dickroach
Member
if they start getting guaranteed contracts the players are going to start getting paid way less than they already do IMO. too much risk.
also the MLB brings in $4+ billion less than the NFL, but the average MLB player gets like $3m more/year... NFL has 12 players $20m/year, MLB has 38, and that will like double in the next few years as all these young studs get out of arbitration
also the MLB brings in $4+ billion less than the NFL, but the average MLB player gets like $3m more/year... NFL has 12 players $20m/year, MLB has 38, and that will like double in the next few years as all these young studs get out of arbitration
Frozenprince
Banned
Good. Stop being cowards and budget yourselves for a shutdown year. You need a full stoppage to actually like.
Leverage shit
But they won't, they'll buckle the minute they risk losing a single game check and the owners will get everything they want again.
Leverage shit
But they won't, they'll buckle the minute they risk losing a single game check and the owners will get everything they want again.
Latvian Hitman
Member
An actual strike would provide the necessary incentive, but, as you say, the players and the union will fold before anything meaningful happens on that front. The NFL will just call their bluff like always.
Fans watch college football in droves. The NFL is not a star based league.
Calm your tits, dude. What I'm saying is that they have ALL of the leverage in any sort of negotiation because if the NFL doesn't have games, they're still (mostly) billionaires while the mid to low-paid players in the NFL are scrambling for cash. Tom Brady would be fine. Defensive Lineman #407 would be screwed hardcore.
ryutaro's mama
Member
dickroach
Member
oof. forgot about that. that was the worst few weeks ever.
not necessary but many fans watch for fantasy football and they draft those star players.
the quality will be terrible. Every year you have teams going 2-14, there literally isn't enough quality quarterbacks to man 32 teams, amongst other players. You think they're magically going to find a bunch of replacement players to put on quality games.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Easier said than done. For every Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers that are set for life and can afford to take a stand, there are 20-30 guys just trying to catch on and make a living, who are getting paid the minimum and who have a 3-4 year shelf life during which to make that living.
Players won't be able to holdout for that long because they need the money. There is a reason why Smith has been encouraging player to save up in anticipation of a possible lockout.
Not really their fault short of the union withholding 10% of their pay in escrow for such a work stoppage there is no way out. The finances are such that they greatly favor the owners.
Nemesis121
Member
They will get no guaranteed contracts and if they lock out it won't be for long, the owners have all the power, players are just pwns, also the NFL owners are filthy rich without football....
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Couple that with the ones that are living well beyond their means or have made bad business decisions that make earning that weekly check a necessity.
Raylan Targaryen
Member
People saying they'll fold because the players need money.. Dude is basically giving a 3-year heads up so if they can't save up then fuck em.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yup. Keep in mind a lot of these guys are victims of this country's toxic football culture. They are told from the time they are 13 or 14 to focus on nothing but football, at the expense of school, at the expense of other sports, then they get to college and are encouraged by asshole coaches to take Mickey Mouse classes just to stay eligible and earn a worthless degree, then they are fortunate enough to catch on in the NFL and they are making league minimum non-guaranteed money, with a potential 3 or 4 year career before injuries or age end that dream, they have zero employable skills to fall back on, and you are asking them to sit out? Potentially for a year or more? And do what exactly?
Plenty of players don't even last in the league for 3 years.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Most players don't earn that much, especially when you consider that the money isn't guaranteed and basically has to last them the rest of their lives because their maximum earning potential is such a small window. Like if you had to make all of the money you were going to make for your entire life by the time you were 30 would you willingly give one or two of those years up?
WascallyWabbit
Member
I mean they better, those contracts may as well be printed on toilet paper, despite the fact that they're the no. 1 sport in the US
StanleyStutters
Member
The average NFL career is 3 years. The vast majority of these guys need to make their money and make it ASAP. Very few NFL players can afford to sacrifice a significant amount of pay when their careers are so limited. Even if they save up now. Missing out on real games, and losing real money can be devastating to their post-NFL lives.
Nemesis121
Member
Most of the these players come from poor families, you think they know how to save properly? it's the reason why you hear stories of players filing for bankruptcy, Terrell Owens made $80m while playing, now he's broke..
Smokey_Run
Member
Most of the players who can save today likely won't even be in the league by 2021.
Flakster99
Member
Good for the players and the future of the league. Now if the players can start planning NOW for that eventuality and save/conserve their funds.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Yeah, that guaranteed money ship sailed a long time ago. The owners are NEVER signing up for that shit. Signing bonuses is the closest we will see to guaranteed money in the NFL.
n64coder
Member
The issue I have is with guaranteed contracts is that you will have some players who suck and don't deserve the pay they're getting. Someone like Pablo Sandoval is getting $50M for being terrible. I do understand the need to get some money because of a career ending injury. Most of us work under pay for performance. Why should sports be any different?