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NHL '12 Playoffs |OT| "The Cup is our destiny this year."
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Dude... :lol
I would have been satisfied with something around 15. My issue isn't with Torres, it's how suspensions are given based on injury instead of intent. A player like Neal should have been in the 5-10 range, but because Giroux wasn't knocked retarded, he gets off the hook. Again, pathetic.
Zombie James
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I have no problem with the hit getting 25 games, but you know if anyone else delivered the exact same hit it wouldn't get treated as harshly. If Torres gets 25 games for that hit, the exact same hit should get 20-25 games no matter who does it (depending on repeat offender status, of course). The problem with suspensions this season has never been the number of games, it's all about consistency.
Loving the double standard with Crosby and Giroux. Crosby says he hates Philly and pushes someone's glove away during a game, and he's a "baby." Giroux says he doesn't like Pens fans, breaks his stick and tosses it in frustration at the end of a game, and he's "passionate." LOL.
I think it is the number of games and being consistent with them. 1 game for Neal was a joke. No suspension for Rinaldo was a joke. Malkin not getting suspended up to this point is debatable. Torres hit someone high and sends him to the hospital? 25 games. The games are all over the place. If Giroux had been knocked out by Neal's shot, would Neal have received 25 games too? Really stupid that the difference between 1 game and 25 is whether or not the target player was injured.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Haha, nice. It was pretty fun when I saw it last time.
Well, I think a lot was history... Neal doesn't have that bad of history compared to Torres so you have to subtract a lot for that also.
HEY I LIKE CROSBY
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You would
brucewaynegretzky
Member
G breaking his stick isn't the same as swatting a glove away. I have no problem with Crosby not liking us. Giroux doesn't act like a whiney brat on the ice.
Fuck that game last night. That's all I've got... Such a long night.
Future Foundation
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There's a double standard because nobody fucking likes Crosby, and people generally shit on people they don't like.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Breaking your stick over the goal post and then throwing it isn't acting like a whiney brat? What?
Future Foundation
Member
Okay, okay. "Some people" don't like Crosby.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
He's not being a dick to other players. Crosby swatted a glove away while someone was trying to pick it up. That's just being a dick.
Dick or not, Crosby knows how to play hockey. Haters gonna hate!
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Well you said whiny brat, not dick.
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WOW at the 25 games for Torres! Shanaban has had enough it seems. For comparison:
Chris Simon (30 games): Intentionally stepped on another player's leg. Repeat offender.
Raffi Torres (25 games): Late, high hit resulting in injury. Repeat offender.
Marty McSorley (23 games): Brained Donald Brashear. Was ALL OVER THE NEWS.
Chris Simon (30 games): Intentionally stepped on another player's leg. Repeat offender.
Raffi Torres (25 games): Late, high hit resulting in injury. Repeat offender.
Marty McSorley (23 games): Brained Donald Brashear. Was ALL OVER THE NEWS.
Just woke up and... wat, 25 games? Holy shit, Torres really DID get the book thrown at him.
I wonder too what it would've been if he
a) Didn't hit a superstar
b) That star wasn't injured.
I'm fairly sure that this bumped his penalty up like 20 games, if it was just a normal hit and the other unknown guy would've gotten up right away, this might've only gotten like 1 or 2 games. These suspensions are a joke. If he REALLY wanted to change something, his NEXT suspension (and we all know there will be more) will tell us what's happening. I fully expect his next suspension to be 10+ games, otherwise we're back to 'wtf' and the 25 games for Torres is even more of a joke.
I wonder too what it would've been if he
a) Didn't hit a superstar
b) That star wasn't injured.
I'm fairly sure that this bumped his penalty up like 20 games, if it was just a normal hit and the other unknown guy would've gotten up right away, this might've only gotten like 1 or 2 games. These suspensions are a joke. If he REALLY wanted to change something, his NEXT suspension (and we all know there will be more) will tell us what's happening. I fully expect his next suspension to be 10+ games, otherwise we're back to 'wtf' and the 25 games for Torres is even more of a joke.
Future Foundation
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What did Simon get for using Ryan Hollweg as a tee ball set?
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Rest of the season ban, which ended up being 25+ games as well.
I think we all have an idea of what absolutely losing control means, if only for a split second (think throwing NES controllers from childhood). Late-career Simon had a wild ability to lose control until his lust for revenge was sated.
If I was absolutely forced to, I'd rather be on the ice against McSorley (uncharacteristic stupidity) or Torres (plain reckless). Simon was vicious.
Giant Robot
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Guess he laid out 2 refs and a linesman. I honestly didn't think 25 games, but at least a message has been sent.
Dick.
dick or comedian?
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First thing I thought about when I saw the suspension. You were right, I was wrong.
We'll see what his next suspension will be. I'm just waiting for a "superstar" to do something stupid next game and Shanahan give him a 2500 fine and we're right back where we were before, with Torres having had bad luck for being unimportant enough.
Unhandled Exception
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wat is this I don't even
25 games. It makes me uncomfortable because I think that's pretty fucking stiff and it's Torres. So I'll just think of it this way, it's 25 games to make up for all of the missed bullshit they didn't suspend him for. I'd be more comfortable with it if this were a new precedent wherein all suspensions become much harsher but that won't happen.
25 games. It makes me uncomfortable because I think that's pretty fucking stiff and it's Torres. So I'll just think of it this way, it's 25 games to make up for all of the missed bullshit they didn't suspend him for. I'd be more comfortable with it if this were a new precedent wherein all suspensions become much harsher but that won't happen.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Milan Lucic is part of a hockey team?!?!?! Thanks Doc!
I think previous offensives is the biggest factor, so if a superstar headhunts, but has no prior history, he won't get much. I'd hope a superstar with priors would get the same treatment as Torres, but hopefully the prospect of a serious ban will preemptively discourage some of that.
I really don't think Torres was headhunting though, but when you play on the edge it's easy to cross it.
Neil has previous history with at least 1 suspension off the top of my head that I know of, and he threw TWO dangerous hits to the head in 1 game, and got a 1 game suspension. no injuries on the play. Yes, previous history WAS a factor, but I'm saying that it was probably
hit - 2 games
hit against superstar - +5
hit from nobody - + 5
injury - +5
history - + 8
So yeah, either this is just another ridiculous suspension from Shanahan with absolutely no consistency OR it finally marks an era of harsher suspensions. The next suspensions will tell, but I'm not convinced.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What's with Eddie's makeup? He looks like a vampire.
It would be hilarious to see a suspended Torres being handed the Cup first by Doan.
I agree almost completely with zombie_james. I don't like that Shanahan has a clear bias in favour of superstar players and that he factors the outcome of a hit (injury) heavily when deciding on the length of a suspension. With that said, Torres deserves a long suspension because his hit was illegal and he has a long history of such cheap shots, but 25 games is way too harsh. He's being made into a scapegoat. It doesn't even matter if this suspension is the right call IMO - Shanahan has been way too inconsistent with his previous rulings, and his body of work right up to the Torres ruling should lose him his job regardless of whatever he does now moving forward.
I agree almost completely with zombie_james. I don't like that Shanahan has a clear bias in favour of superstar players and that he factors the outcome of a hit (injury) heavily when deciding on the length of a suspension. With that said, Torres deserves a long suspension because his hit was illegal and he has a long history of such cheap shots, but 25 games is way too harsh. He's being made into a scapegoat. It doesn't even matter if this suspension is the right call IMO - Shanahan has been way too inconsistent with his previous rulings, and his body of work right up to the Torres ruling should lose him his job regardless of whatever he does now moving forward.
Future Foundation
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I wouldn't fuck with Simon or Brashear. Simon for all the reasons you just listed, and Brashear for his habit of cold-cocking guys out of nowhere. I remember being pissed that the Rangers signed him after he cheapshotted Betts and sucker punched Ward.
sazabirules
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Cheering for him during the Olympics is different than hating him for how he acts.
sazabirules
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Nickelback... The NHL can't even choose a decent band.
Coldnoodle
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I'm so scared.
Unhandled Exception
Member
Did anyone mention the fines Torres is getting also?
I love the idea that how much he is fined is going to depend on how well the Yotes do this post season.
I love the idea that how much he is fined is going to depend on how well the Yotes do this post season.
What seems to be the biggest factor to Shanny is the repeat offender history. The Matt Cooke, better get your shit together, type of statement. That's what Torres got.
Complaints about consistency when comparing similar hits is not what's important. A player with the rep for cheap shots has a much bigger suspension target following him around. Wreckless pests beware. Shanahan is watching and adding up the incidents. I'm alright with that.
Complaints about consistency when comparing similar hits is not what's important. A player with the rep for cheap shots has a much bigger suspension target following him around. Wreckless pests beware. Shanahan is watching and adding up the incidents. I'm alright with that.