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[brucewaynegretzky]

hmm.. ok. Makes sense I guess.

Ok. I overstated that. I went and took a quick look to refresh my memory. Basically the rule is players "assume the risk" of injury when they play the sport and things that occur that are basically "reasonably predictable" within the context of the sport aren't claims. The issue is more that courts are VERY deferential to what can be said to be "reasonably predictable." Even things like the Bertuzzi hit aren't that unlikely when you consider the million different scenarios that can occur in a game. Basically what the rule is allowing for is things like players pulling a Happy Gilmore and trying to stab someone during a game.

 

[Ra\/en]

It's not like he was just frustrated and just did it. He tried, missed, and tried again. He wanted to hurt him and chose the guys head. How can you argue against a suspension?!

I would argue for a fine and a suspension. Head slam WWF plays have no place in the NHL.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

hyperbole

Is a useful tool when making a point.

 

[Ra\/en]

Ok. I overstated that. I went and took a quick look to refresh my memory. Basically the rule is players "assume the risk" of injury when they play the sport and things that occur that are basically "reasonably predictable" within the context of the sport aren't claims. The issue is more that courts are VERY deferential to what can be said to be "reasonably predictable." Even things like the Bertuzzi hit aren't that unlikely when you consider the million different scenarios that can occur in a game. Basically what the rule is allowing for is things like players pulling a Happy Gilmore and trying to stab someone during a game.

thanks for clearing that up. The league has to get it right if a player does something boneheaded with malicious intent.

 

[yankeehater]

What an absolute joke.

I can't believe the league is dumb enough to not see how damaging this is to the general public's perception of the sport. I can 100% guarantee that PTI will be talking about this this afternoon, again (rightfully) criticizing the league and their absolute refusal to do anything about head injuries and cheap shots.

The NHL deserves the bad publicity.

Yeah, I'll say it--I wonder what the penalty would have been had this hit been on Crosby, Malkin, or Ovechkin?

He would have gotten a lifetime ban.

 

[Acid08]

NHL Wheel of Justice is great today. Make sure you turn playoff mode on first

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

I would argue for a fine and a suspension. Head slam WWF plays have no place in the NHL.

As a fan I just don't really give a shit about fines. The guy is a member of the team and was breaking the rules in game, the team should be punished somehow. Fines have no effect on the score, making some1 with 22 goals on the year see stars for the rest of the night could definitely affect the score though.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

As a fan I just don't really give a shit about fines. The guy is a member of the team and was breaking the rules in game, the team should be punished somehow. Fines have no effect on the score, making some1 with 22 goals on the year see stars for the rest of the night could definitely affect the score though.

Actions taken in a game should affect that game. Not future ones. That's what penalties are for.

 

[Montresor]

NHL Wheel of Justice is great today. Make sure you turn playoff mode on first

Milan Lucic head hit on Ryan Miller resulting in concussion:

After a thorough review we can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This was a hockey play. In reviewing this play, we also took into consideration that Milan Lucic plays for the Boston Bruins, who are mostly un-suspendable.

 

[Fixed1979]

Actions taken in a game should affect that game. Not future ones. That's what penalties are for.

Wow, you really believe this? So you are against all suspensions regardless of outcome? That's mindnumbingly stupid.

 

[scissorfight]

Adam Proteau-
"James Wisniewski’s suspension cost him $536,585.36. He should’ve smashed Zetterberg in the head 214.634144 times instead!"

:lol

 

[Revenant]

Adam Proteau-
"James Wisniewski’s suspension cost him $536,585.36. He should’ve smashed Zetterberg in the head 214.634144 times instead!"

:lol

:lol that's awesome.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Wow, you really believe this? So what are you against all suspensions?

I've said in here a bunch of times that I think suspensions aren't particularly useful enforcement tools. There's no evidence they discourage players from taking certain actions and they take the players everyone wants to see off the ice.

I get much more frustrated with poor officiating than I do with Brendan Shanahan.

 

[alexthekid]

Actions taken in a game should affect that game. Not future ones. That's what penalties are for.

So last second is fine? This was a clear proof of why that doesn't work

 

[opticalmace]

The $2500 fine is pathetic.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Actions taken in a game should affect that game. Not future ones. That's what penalties are for.

There are plenty of scenarios that deserve punishment whether they go unnoticed by the refs or not. Intending to injure some1's head falls in that category.

I agree that he should have been ejected though.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

So last second is fine? This was a clear proof of why that doesn't work

Remember when I said fines were pretty good when done right?

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

I've said in here a bunch of times that I think suspensions aren't particularly useful enforcement tools.

You let the team down when you get suspended, I think they are the most useful enforcement tools.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKCS9y7r_I

Fines work real well.

 

[pringles]

No Weber suspension and Helm out for the playoffs.

Great start to the series.

Good thing Wings have a history of rising above adversity like this. Can't wait to see how they respond in Game 2.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

You let the team down when you get suspended, I think they are the most useful enforcement tools.

That's cool. Any way of backing that up?

Suspensions never changed guys like Avery. Even Cooke. It wasn't the suspensions that were getting him. It was his coach telling him he needed to fix his shit cuz he had a reputation.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

No Weber suspension and Helm out for the playoffs.

Great start to the series.

Good thing Wings have a history of rising above adversity like this. Can't wait to see how they respond in Game 2.

Yeah about that... You realize we haven't led a game since our crushing win in Columbus right?

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

That's cool. Any way of backing that up?

Suspensions never changed guys like Avery. Even Cooke. It wasn't the suspensions that were getting him. It was his coach telling him he needed to fix his shit cuz he had a reputation.

I don't really know what you mean by backing that up.

Not all guys of course, they're all different. I still think it's the most effective way. But with that same view of taking it case-by-case just look at my ochocinco/TO video, now imagine a player who injures people instead of excessively celebrating and doesn't give a fuck how much the league fines him.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Not all guys of course, they're all different. I still think it's the most effective way. But with that same view of taking it case-by-case just look at my ochocinco/TO video, now imagine a player who injures people instead of excessively celebrating and doesn't give a fuck how much the league fines him.

That's why I keep saying DO IT RIGHT. Make fines a percentage of salary. Players will respond to that. No question.

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

That's why I keep saying DO IT RIGHT. Make fines a percentage of salary. Players will respond to that. No question.

There is no way that I can see that the players, and their reps, would allow this into a CBA.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

That's why I keep saying DO IT RIGHT. Make fines a percentage of salary. Players will respond to that. No question.

Ochocinco jokingly bribed a ref with a $1 bill during a game. It cost him $20k and he knew it was coming. Now we're not discussing something that trivial but the point is some people just don't give a fuck, therefor suspensions are needed for things as serious as the Zetterberg faceplant.

 

[CyReN]

2500, what a load of shit.

 

[Wingfan19]

Not surprised. Playoff hockey is not regulated like the regular season.

 

[MutFox]

$2500?

If someone assaults, and didn't want jail time,
$2500 seems fair for the average working person.

For an NHL player, $50,000 should be the minimum.

$2500 is a joke.

I really like Weber, but no NHLer should be able to get off that easy.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

Next game should be interesting.

 

[Marvie_3]

Weber not getting suspended is a fucking joke.

 

[Solo]

Wait, there are now Panthers fans here all of a sudden?

 

[CrazedArabMan]

Wait, there are now Panthers fans here all of a sudden?

For a while now, where have you been?

 

[wsoxfan1214]

From hfboards.

 

[Fei]

Wait, there are now Panthers fans here all of a sudden?

They've actually been more active than a lot of other teams' fanbases. Nice to see, really.

And Weber not getting suspended for that hit is pretty laughable. I like Weber, but that play was as dirty as they come.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

From hfboards.

Needs Bertuzzi in there with a defending champ sign or something.

 

[sefskillz]

does anyone have a GIF of the Weber incident? I didn't see it.

 

[Fixed1979]

That's why I keep saying DO IT RIGHT. Make fines a percentage of salary. Players will respond to that. No question.

You do realize that players don't get payed for the games their suspended games right, if they don't care about they money they loose for not playing then they won't care about a fine. Some players just won't give a shit because that's how they play, and if they didn't they probably wouldn't have a job. The solution is longer suspensions, Shannahan started the preseason out great and then just before it was over someone must have told him "Hey Brendan you can't suspend people for that long" and they dropped from 8-11 to 2 or 3.

 

[bardia]

Is the $2500 fine the maximum that is allowed because to the way the CBA is structured? It's a joke how you can get fined $10,000 for calling out the refs and yet only $2500 for smashing a guys head into the glass.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Weber not getting suspended is a fucking joke.

Joe Thorton has the green light to blindside Perron again. I imagine the STL vs. SJ will have twice the number of penalties as the Det/Nash game.

does anyone have a GIF of the Weber incident? I didn't see it.

It's probably on youtube. It was pretty brutal. The intial hit wasn't enough Weber had to make him taste the glass.

 

[sefskillz]

You do realize that players don't get payed for the games their suspended right?

they don't get paid for postseason games either

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Holy shitz. Too bad Detroit has no one to exact any revenge for that.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Holy shitz. Too bad Detroit has no one to exact any revenge for that.

RELEASE THE KRONWALL.

 

[Fixed1979]

they don't get paid for postseason games either

They don't get a salary but there are bonuses in play. But this is just another reason why fines over suspensions isn't always the best fit.

Is the $2500 fine the maximum that is allowed because to the way the CBA is structured? It's a joke how you can get fined $10,000 for calling out the refs and yet only $2500 for smashing a guys head into the glass.

Yes and yes. The coaches don't have anyone to protect them, the players have the NHLPA.

 

[sefskillz]

RELEASE THE KRONWALL.

makes perfect sense that kronwall would come in from off the top rope for retaliation, he can't keep his feet on the ice anyway

 

[CrazedArabMan]

makes perfect sense that kronwall would come in from off the top rope for retaliation, he can't keep his feet on the ice anyway

Eh, NHL would call it a good hockey play.

does anyone have a GIF of the Weber incident? I didn't see it.

You are also a trolling spree lately, dang.

 

[Cake Boss]

So anyone know why Bob Mackenzie sounds like hes about to cry on Twitter, I know it has to do with the Weber thing but what happened?

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

they don't get paid for postseason games either

Not actually true. The league gives a bonus to each playoff team and that is split amongst the players. The teams that advance make a lot more than the others but it's not too much to begin with.

And beaten.

 

[Revenant]

So anyone know why Bob Mackenzie sounds like hes about to cry on Twitter, I know it has to do with the Weber thing but what happened?

Sounds like people pissed their pants all over his twitter feed due to Weber getting 2500 and Bitz getting a hearing.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

The NHL is about as consistent as Franzen scoring goals with some of these calls on hits and suspensions.

 

[sefskillz]

So anyone know why Bob Mackenzie sounds like hes about to cry on Twitter, I know it has to do with the Weber thing but what happened?

he said last night he didn't think.Weber's hit was suspension worthy and everyone is losing their shit about it