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NHL '12 Playoffs |OT2| NHL ratings up 50%; GAF ratings down 90%
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CrazedArabMan
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Make sure to invite Tabris.
What are you referring to: the "repackaged as layering" 90s NZ trap, the Devils/Kings "trap you in your own end" forecheck trap, or the Rangers "tryhards eat pucks to the face until a bounce creates a breakaway" six goalie defense trap?
wsoxfan1214
Banned
All of the above
KernelPanic
Member
They'll lose the room before the season is over.
It's not a guaranteed win anyway, Ottawa tried it years ago when they hired Hartsburg, he was gone before the season was done.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If this happens expect the league to widen the nets as soon as possible.
Basileus777
Member
Why are people complaining about the trap now of all times? We have two aggressive forechecking teams in then SCF.
Because apparently some people here don't actually understand what's happening on the ice.
This will never happen.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
That's just the price we pay for having teams in the Sunbelt.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
It doesn't matter how they play; if people want to convince themselves that the Devils are a boring/trap team, they will. It'll take them a long time to completely shed that label.
Ironically some of the people here regularly talking about these nonexistent trap systems are from Ontario/Quebec.
St. Louis' success (with the trap) could still serve as a model for teams next season, but they did get swept by Los Angeles, so I doubt it. Teams that focus on skill and possession (Vancouver, Detroit, Pittsburgh) all went out early, so I could see some aversion to their coaching strategies, which really sucks. What's obvious (to me) from these playoffs is that you won't get anywhere if you don't have solid goaltending, defense, special teams and four lines that can forecheck aggressively. The first three were always the case, but forechecking has really seemed to be an important staple of the teams that have gone deep.
Mike Works
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Pfft, last year people were saying that teams would try and mimic Boston's "ice a big, tough lineup with low-medium scoring players spread throughout" mantra since, of course, they were the Stanley Cup champs. Now this year you'll have a SC winner that isn't like that at all. The Kings have size, but they aren't 'mean' like the Bruins at all; they use their size to employ an aggressive forecheck, but they've also got elite snipers like Kopitar and Doughty.
To be completely honest, a lot of winning the Stanley Cup is just luck. That's not to say that it's not a monumental task to win it, because it is, but look at last year: the two teams in the Stanley Cup Final both went to Game 7 OT in their first round series (as did New Jersey this year). Just a simple puck bounce the other way and history is completely changed. LA's been dominant this playoffs, but they got to build up a 3-0 lead against the Canucks who didn't have their top scorer, they got to face the Blues who had both goalies injured, and then they went up against arguably the worst team to make it to the WCF in a long while (thanks to God Smith).
You might see more teams try to forecheck harder next year, but I don't expect to see anyone trying to emulate either SCF team fully.
To be completely honest, a lot of winning the Stanley Cup is just luck. That's not to say that it's not a monumental task to win it, because it is, but look at last year: the two teams in the Stanley Cup Final both went to Game 7 OT in their first round series (as did New Jersey this year). Just a simple puck bounce the other way and history is completely changed. LA's been dominant this playoffs, but they got to build up a 3-0 lead against the Canucks who didn't have their top scorer, they got to face the Blues who had both goalies injured, and then they went up against arguably the worst team to make it to the WCF in a long while (thanks to God Smith).
You might see more teams try to forecheck harder next year, but I don't expect to see anyone trying to emulate either SCF team fully.
Barrage
Member
Re-arranging your team/philosophy because of the results of one year's Playoffs is a foolish idea, the kind of short-sighted thinking any good GM won't adhere to. How many Trap Teams have won the Cup since the Lockout? Any team that has quality personnel doesn't need to trap.
And yes, the league should send out a memo that NJ is not the dull-as-dirt team of the 90's. People mocking them for Trapping is like mocking the 2012 Lakers for Shaq's FT shooting.
And yes, the league should send out a memo that NJ is not the dull-as-dirt team of the 90's. People mocking them for Trapping is like mocking the 2012 Lakers for Shaq's FT shooting.
Mike Works
Member
I was cheering so hard for New Jersey against New York. New York is god damn insufferable to watch the vast majority of the time. NJ/LA is the best potential cup final we could've gotten out of the final four.
New York/Phoenix... *shudder*
New York/Phoenix... *shudder*
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
Have you even been watching the playoffs?
Explains what Chicago did last offseason. Recchi and Thomas both won the Cup? They're old!
*Blackhawks rush out to sign Brunette, O'Donnell, and Mayers. Then trade for Brendan Morrison.*
wsoxfan1214
Banned
He watched the first round.
KernelPanic
Member
I don't think teams alter their philosophy after a deep playoff run, just that teams' weaknesses are exposed.
Most of the regular season isn't remotely similar to playoff hockey, you can be a great regular season team but awful in the playoffs.
Most of the regular season isn't remotely similar to playoff hockey, you can be a great regular season team but awful in the playoffs.
It's less intense, less gritty... otherwise it's still NHL hockey. The most important difference is that the teams that were most successful over an 82-game stretch lasting from October until April won't necessarily be the best team for a two-week (or longer) span afterwards.
SpectreFire
Member
He still would've traded Hodgson though.
It's pretty evident that Hodgson didn't want to be a part of this team, better off trading him when his value's super high.
For sure, he would've traded Hodgson.
Still don't agree with the timing, though. Any trade demands were made months earlier and not in the lead up to the playoffs. I think Gillis just didn't want his hand forced in the offseason and thought he needed to get some size/grit to replace skill.
Seems there was a lack of respect from both ends, from everything I've read.
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
I really don't believe coaches are going to implement a system that did not work.
Yeah every year it comes up. One team wins the Cup and every media personality believes all the teams will now change their style to match that team and surpass them.
Go on....
Lone_Prodigy
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The Kings are very balanced. They have 2 lines that can score, bottom-six role players, 3 good D-pairings, and top-tier goaltending.
I haven't seen the Devils play much but they seem to be built the same way.
I haven't seen the Devils play much but they seem to be built the same way.
It's one of my biggest complaints about how the media handles winners and losers. Vancouver made it to game 7 of the SCF, so they must have been doing something right. However, many media sources take the approach that they had some gaping hole which needed to be corrected and that Boston had the perfect lineup.
Not to say that Vancouver doesn't have issues, but if Vancouver had won, we'd be hearing similar bullshit about the Bruins.
Totally. And it happens within each game, too. Winning team? Emphasize what they're doing right. Or make it up altogether. Losing team? Emphasize what they're doing wrong. Or make it up altogether. Coach is talking to his team, but you don't know what he's saying? Make something up that sounds interesting. Everything has to fit into a narrative in which the commentators are omniscient and never lack for some banal/invented observation.
Oh yeah I can see it already, had Vancouver won we'd be talking about how the Bruins rough and tough style is a detriment to their play. They should jettison their grind it out style and focus on a more finesse approach. Goodbye to the likes of Thornton and others of his ilk, you are not needed in the new NHL.
KernelPanic
Member
LA Kings twitter at it again and that's what might be a little bit of "official" smack talk between 2 teams on twitter. I wonder if we'll see more of this.
the reply to the canucks fan who brought up how many cups LA has won was the best
Got a link?
KernelPanic
Member
Tom Hanks pimping the Kings. You can't say "no" to Tom Hanks, god damn it.
Oh wow, I missed that. Regardless of the results in the finals, the Kings need to keep whoever is on their Twitter account.
Oh wow, I missed that. Regardless of the results in the finals, the Kings need to keep whoever is on their Twitter account.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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LA Kings twitter at it again and that's what might be a little bit of "official" smack talk between 2 teams on twitter. I wonder if we'll see more of this.
Why didn't they mention the camden aquarium?
The guy seems so stupid/fickle, as if he's a straw man set up to flatter the LAKings account:
Joel Charron ‏@J_Charron
@my_MILK_yellow Not sure how Vancouver is, I don't live there...but the team is prolly on a golf course rite now.
Joel Charron ‏@J_Charron
@yup124 no, not mad @ all. I'm jumping on the Kings bandwagon, got room for me?
Joel Charron ‏@J_Charron
@LAKings I am pulling for u guys tho...I hate NJ, their style of hockey bores me. Put money down on u guys..help me not go broke eh?
Joel Charron ‏@J_Charron
@LAKings about the same...but hopefully u guys can change that number...wud like to see Westgarth on the ice though. Good luck in the finals