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NHL April |OT| The End
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Marty Chinn
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We're just not cocky like some other team fans are. We hope for the best, but expect the worst. We know what's happened in the past and accept it.
Hey! I thought you left for good?
Zombie James
Banned
Playoff teams are set so let's play "What if the loser point didn't exist?" This is what the standings would look like in the wacky, crazy alternate reality where teams don't get rewarded for losing:
Look at that, there would still be a race for 8th in the West under a system that makes sense. I hate the loser point so very, very much.
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red = Teams in a playoff spot in the current system.
EAST
[B]TEAM W L PTS[/B]
NY Rangers 51 30 102
Boston 48 33 96
Washington 41 40 82
Pittsburgh 50 31 100
Philadelphia 47 34 94
New Jersey 47 34 94
Ottawa 41 40 82
Buffalo 39 42 78
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Tampa Bay 37 44 74
Winnipeg 37 44 74
Florida 37 44 74
Toronto 35 46 70
NY Islanders 34 47 68
Carolina 33 48 66
Montreal 30 51 60
WEST
[B]TEAM W L PTS[/B]
Vancouver 50 31 100
St. Louis 48 32 96
San Jose 42 39 84
Detroit 48 33 96
Nashville 47 34 94
Chicago 44 37 88
Dallas 42 39 84
Colorado 41 40 82
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Phoenix 40 40 80
Los Angeles 40 41 80
Calgary 36 45 72
Minnesota 35 46 70
Anaheim 34 47 68
Edmonton 32 49 64
Columbus 28 53 54Look at that, there would still be a race for 8th in the West under a system that makes sense. I hate the loser point so very, very much.
Kuro Madoushi
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Hey Habs fans
I know we've been at odds over the season due to the love for our respective teams.
Still, if you could do us just this one favour and beat us in the final game, it would be greatly appreciated. Your team is more or less locked into where you're going to draft, but the Leafs need a loss and the other teams need to win to get us the potential 4th pick.
<3
I know we've been at odds over the season due to the love for our respective teams.
Still, if you could do us just this one favour and beat us in the final game, it would be greatly appreciated. Your team is more or less locked into where you're going to draft, but the Leafs need a loss and the other teams need to win to get us the potential 4th pick.
<3
Habs could still place 29th.
The KHL has the fairest system that I've seen.
Take out the OTL point and you'd have OT/SO results with far too much sway. I don't see how that's better.
The KHL has the fairest system that I've seen.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
This game has the potential to be even more entertaining than if it were for the final playoff spot.
I really can't believe Phoenix. They have like 3 fans yet they continue to make the playoffs year after year. Every game is a road game to them because they don't have home games. Makes me respect the team a lot. They really deserve to move to a place where they would be appreciated, and where Doan's elbows would be loved by all.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, they deserved to go back to Winnipeg. It would've been NUTS in the 'Peg had they gone back and made the playoffs in their first? season.
In case you want to see Drew Doughty get his face pummeled. I'm looking at you Dastardly and Heretic.
Video of Clowe's play in case anyone missed it. Truly one of the most crazy moments of the season.
Video of Clowe's play in case anyone missed it. Truly one of the most crazy moments of the season.
I *think* these numbers are right, 3 for regulation win, 2 for ot/so win, 1 for ot/so loss, 0 for regulation loss
From an outside perspective, I find it extremely funny that it happened, especially since it didn't get called. Straight out of a cartoon.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
This places WAY too much weight on the shootout then. I dunno how comfortable I am with teams getting two points for a shootout and the loser getting none. Tells you virtually nothing about who should have won the game.
Marty Chinn
Member
What about 2 pts for a win, and you only get 1 pt if you go to a shootout and lose? In otherwords, no OT point for losing.
I *think* these numbers are right, 3 for regulation win, 2 for ot/so win, 1 for ot/so loss, 0 for regulation loss
That point system makes division winners automatically getting the top 3 seeds look even more ridiculous.
CrazedArabMan
Member
I would almost go a radical and different approach by saying 2 points for win in regulation, 0 points for a loss in regulation. However 1 point for a loss in OT, 2 points for winning OT. But 0 points for a loss in a SO, and 2 points for a win in a SO.
I know it sounds crazy but to me we might see a more fast paced OT, possibly going to the 3 v 3 after 4 v 4 (or only 3 v3) or something, just I guess more of an incentive to win before the game goes to a SO which could lead to an intense OT. Like I said, really crazy and probably wouldn't work, but an interesting idea none the less.
Lone_Prodigy
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Canucks will either play Phoenix, San Jose, or LA.
Phoenix scares me the least. Smith has been playing well but he's a playoff rookie.
San Jose will be tough. They've been to the conference finals and are offensively stacked. Goaltending and defense are questionable though.
LA looks pretty good on paper, but they seem to have underachieved this year.
Phoenix scares me the least. Smith has been playing well but he's a playoff rookie.
San Jose will be tough. They've been to the conference finals and are offensively stacked. Goaltending and defense are questionable though.
LA looks pretty good on paper, but they seem to have underachieved this year.
CrazedArabMan
Member
I'm not too familiar with how the KHL does this, but I have to say having the playoff seeds for usually the bottom teams being a blood bath at the end of the season is great entertainment and really brings out the best and worse for those teams struggling to get that last spot.
Waaaaaay less questionable than last year though, it would be a much tougher series.
Mike Works
Member
This is for Tabris/Canucks-GAF, extrmely well made playoff-pump-up fanvideo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjnYtNBa-eU&list=PL2AF485C5A3A12087&index=1&feature=plcp
EDIT: Also, for everyone, new video from the guys who made last season's Canucks Game-day video, it's great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYj_JqQfFVg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjnYtNBa-eU&list=PL2AF485C5A3A12087&index=1&feature=plcp
EDIT: Also, for everyone, new video from the guys who made last season's Canucks Game-day video, it's great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYj_JqQfFVg&feature=player_embedded
The defense has been getting blamed for the Sharks' woes, but the lack of offense prior to the current win streak was the problem. How many times were they shut out this year?
I think Brent Burns was a great pickup, but I don't think he's going to transform the matchup like you think he is. If anything, what might work in their favour is a healthier team (although the Canucks will be healthier, too) and anger from last year.
Wendel Clark
Member
Would Neil even show up vs. Boston considering how big of a spot picker he is?
alexthekid
Member
As I written so many times before I can't understand the hate for the loserpoint, You tie with a team after a 60 minutes game of hockey but you shoundn't get anything cause they were better in an fucking shootout? What are they gonna do next? Speedracing? Hardest shot? Skating on one leg?
Regulation win 3 points
OT/shootout win 2 points
OT/SO loss 1 point
I think it is a really good system but i would prefer getting rid of SO and possibly OT but that would never happen.
Regulation win 3 poing
OT win 2 points
OT loss/draw 1 points
Regulation loss zero
Or withouth ot
Regulation win 3
Tie 1
Or
Regulation win 2
Tie 1
I'm not sure, it sounds like it would make the distances in the standings bigger but we have had some crazy tight standings the last years. But i guess that our degradation system also adds to the excitement.
The KHL have the same system as we have used in Sweden for some years now.(or atleast im pretty sure they do.
Regulation win 3 points
OT/shootout win 2 points
OT/SO loss 1 point
I think it is a really good system but i would prefer getting rid of SO and possibly OT but that would never happen.
Regulation win 3 poing
OT win 2 points
OT loss/draw 1 points
Regulation loss zero
Or withouth ot
Regulation win 3
Tie 1
Or
Regulation win 2
Tie 1
I'm not sure, it sounds like it would make the distances in the standings bigger but we have had some crazy tight standings the last years. But i guess that our degradation system also adds to the excitement.
alexthekid
Member
So no 4 on 4 overtime? Because thats a gimmick and not extended time
From the 9 game road trip onward the entire team was playing like crap, couldn't blame the losses on any one particular part of the team.
We've been shutout 7 times this year with 4 of those happening February to now. Offense definitely let us down for a while but its been clicking these past 3 games. I hope that means that there's finally some chemistry forming.
Our defense is fine but we're prone to giving up odd man rushes since we have tons of active D now. This is where Nemo has to come up huge but has been shakey all year.
Burns isn't the only difference though. Vlasic has become an ultra stud and Braun has been developing really well to make our bottom pairing really dangerous. There's actual depth in that position now.
Yes. Just have 5 on 5. 10 minutes.
The idea with 4 on 4 is to open things up
But by automatically reducing earned points, hopefully nullifies the need to open up the game.
If you want to open the game up, ignore the blue lines in OT, that would make things hilarious and exciting
Marty Chinn
Member
Is he though? I admit I had to miss a good chunk of January through March (more than I would have liked) but with the way Burns was hyped as being someone that was in similar quality to Boyle of a defensive guy, I just find him to be a bit underwhelming to the hype. He's just been ok and not great to me.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Flyers would LOVE a series like this. Basically this goes with what I've been saying for a while: ROW is the only stat that matters when evaluating the standings.
Burns has tons of potential but there was no way he was going to be anywhere near as good as Boyle right now. Burns is a top 4 D right now while Boyle is still without question a top 2. He did start off really slow but right around December/January he started finding a groove. He works really hard and makes super slick plays, couldn't be more happy to have him despite some boneheaded moves.
Alright, dude. But I do remember you saying "this year is different" for each of the last few seasons. The Canucks/Sharks season series was just the same as before, though. I personally won't see the Sharks as "much tougher" until Niemi is replaced.
Anyway, it'd be a great series. SJ/VAN games are always close and fast-paced.
Woah man, you won't find get any argument from me. Goaltending is the weakest part of the team without a doubt.
Can you blame me for thinking this season would be significantly different? Tons of line-up changes that, unfortunately, have taken a really long time to come together. I thought things would click much more quickly than they really did. Ya got me on the last couple seasons though.
Seguin getting ready to pound some nerds?
alexthekid
Member
Is it maybe this correlation that makes you value wins in a 4 v 4 gimmick as much as a normal win, but a loss in a shootout gimmick shouldn't value more then a regulation loss?
Marty Chinn
Member
Well if you look at it from the beginning, it should have been way better than what they ended up with. The defense looked to be a significant upgrade compared to last year where we all knew that was a huge issue. The offense took a slight hit but it should have been ok since the key players were still there. There's no reason looking at what the team might do that it should have been better than last year.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
Wouldn't doubt it. Sounds like the good old days.
yankeeforever2
Member
Biron started the last 2, lets see if the pens can actually beat philly first.
Zombie James
Banned
Win = 2Pts
Shootout Win = 1Pt.
This would encourage teams to go for regulation and OT wins, and losers get nothing.
MARTY CHINN EVERYBODY
Something Wicked
Member
^ this
The NHL wants a maximum of three point-related columns for simplicity's sake, so none of this W-L-OTL-SOL crap.
And the point system above rewards teams for wining by playing real hockey, instead relying on a practice drill for wins, while not rewarding anything for losing a game.
Marty Chinn
Member
Ryane Clowe finally talks about his funny stick interference.
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Sef's team finally has a little bit of success and he gets cocky. Don't worry, you'll lose again, and probably in the first round as usual. Last year was a fluke.
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Sef's team finally has a little bit of success and he gets cocky. Don't worry, you'll lose again, and probably in the first round as usual. Last year was a fluke.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Mine too, especially after hearing Lindy Ruff say the same fucking shit after every game for 14 years.
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