I said it first. Gotta pay me the toll.
Saw the ESPN highlight: The NHLPA is apparently $182 million apart from a deal. Meanwhile, Alex Rodriguez still has roughly $144 million remaining on his Yankees contract.
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NHL Lockout With Your Cock Out |OT|
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I said it first. Gotta pay me the toll.
Saw the ESPN highlight: The NHLPA is apparently $182 million apart from a deal. Meanwhile, Alex Rodriguez still has roughly $144 million remaining on his Yankees contract.
That's not really accurate now that we know more details. There are certain conditions that probably won't be agreed on, at least not today.
The NHL can either try to make a show of it and tell the media that the NHLPA is making unreasonable demands, etc etc
Or they can counter the proposal and continue to negotiate.
It's ESPN, I don't think it is either. I'm just going with it and making the comparison for the sake of boredom.
This can't be real.... can it?
This. It should be a non-issue. Revenue increases virtually every year anyway.
...and really, this offer isn't that bad. It's not good enough to get a deal done, I don't think, but it's good enough to negotiate off of, which is what I expect the NHL to do.
The owners that already wanted to be on the ice are going to see even less reason to stay locked out after this offer. They're getting closer, and parties on both sides (a good chunk of players and owners) are going to make a big push to get this over with now.
I feel like there will be far too many people on both sides pushing their leadership to get something done for it to blow up, but hey, who knows.
It's the NHLPA.
Yes.
At first I said it was a fair deal- after more details came out its absolutely not fair
Player share can only rise or stay flat. NEVER decrease.
It's just as bad as all their other proposals
If the splits, the guarantees and whatever growth mechanism is destroyed, it's fair.
NHLPA is an embarrassment
Honest question:
When was the last time NHL revenues decreased from the season before? Because obviously they'll take a hit with the shortened season, recover a bit the year after, and then likely continue the steady climb (maybe not to the level it was before).
The players money never falling is (in principal) a dumb idea, but in reality, is it ever really going to be an issue?
When was the last time NHL revenues decreased from the season before? Because obviously they'll take a hit with the shortened season, recover a bit the year after, and then likely continue the steady climb (maybe not to the level it was before).
The players money never falling is (in principal) a dumb idea, but in reality, is it ever really going to be an issue?
ZeroGravity
Member
Meeting is over. Guess we'll find out soon if there's hockey to be played this season.
Going just by what I've read here:
This could also be another bargaining procedure. If they give the NHL the deal without it, the NHL could try and lop off some of their share. If they include it, the NHL focuses on getting rid of the condition and is more likely to accept the rest.
Add to that how the offer *seems* to be totally reasonable and, in terms of optics, can back the NHL into a corner... so the owners might be more willing to negotiate than risk complaining.
[edit] Meeting is already over? I'd guess the NHL rejected it fullstop then.
This could also be another bargaining procedure. If they give the NHL the deal without it, the NHL could try and lop off some of their share. If they include it, the NHL focuses on getting rid of the condition and is more likely to accept the rest.
Add to that how the offer *seems* to be totally reasonable and, in terms of optics, can back the NHL into a corner... so the owners might be more willing to negotiate than risk complaining.
[edit] Meeting is already over? I'd guess the NHL rejected it fullstop then.
BigJonsson
Member
American thanksgiving tomorrow, I'm sure a lot of them want to get home now
"Disappointing day"
Ah well
Like 3-4 years ago there was negative growth- that was when the cap remained the same y/y
Mind you there's other issues beyond league control
What if Canadian dollar collapses again? Canadian teams would be beyond screwed
ZeroGravity
Member
Good night everybody.
Fuck the NHL for not even bargaining off this offer. You try and bargain out the "de-linkage" and you have the basis of a fair offer to work with. The fact that it looks like they rejected it full stop pisses me off to no end.
Yeah, the owners won't move on the money period. Fuck them.
Yeah, the owners won't move on the money period. Fuck them.
KingHenrik30
Member
Fuck it
It makes sense that the NHL would hard-line now, though. YOu have to figure the only reason the PA stepped up with a "better" offer is because Fehr is starting to be pressured by a large group of players to make a push to get a deal done. The league has to know that.
Still. Fuck them. Seriously. fuck.them
Not even going to try and bargain out the de-linkage and then work off the offer from there.
Still. Fuck them. Seriously. fuck.them
Not even going to try and bargain out the de-linkage and then work off the offer from there.
It's more the NHLPA than the nhl, FYI
The offer you detailed is really just the nhl offer
The NHLPA offer appears close but its really not in the end
There's a difference between adding a larger make whole on top of the HRR NHL was offering and what the NHLPA proposed
The set salary cap, the set player shares, growth... They absolutely fuck over small nhl teams and jeopardize the nhl as a whole going forward
NHLPA doesn't have yours or the NHLs best interests (or even their own) at heart
These idiots want to destroy the nhl for a pay raise. Think about that.
The PA did. They're frustrated.
NHL doing what the NHL does. Wait for the other side to make a proposal. "Thanks, we'll take that. We want more now."
Uh, what
Freyjadour
Member
Yeah. All those fully detailed proposals.
What are you talking about?
Sorry.
The NHL is totally negotiating in good faith. They're a saintly, supremely generous bunch. They should create a nobel bargaining prize and award it to them.
Ok bruce.
Given how much better nhlers have it compared to those in other leagues (pre-lockout, and if they accepted the nhl's first serious offer) even though revenues are so much smaller and no huge tv deal exists, the league is pretty generous
SuperSonic1305
Member
Cancel the next 3 seasons for all I care. At this point no hockey player should get payed over a million dollars per season. Fuck them.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Are you fucking kidding me? Have you listened to anything before today? This couldn't be more backwards if you tried.
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On my phone, no access to GIFs
Freyjadour
Member
What I expected to happen today:
NHLPA presents proposal.
NHL doesn't outright accept it.
NHLPA throws it's hands up in the air and digs in, blaming the NHL for not wanting to negotiate.
NHLPA presents proposal.
NHL doesn't outright accept it.
NHLPA throws it's hands up in the air and digs in, blaming the NHL for not wanting to negotiate.
The difference in numbers in the two proposals:
NHL:
55.5%
51.5
50
50
50
PA:
56.3%
53.8
52
50
50
It's ridiculous how close the numbers are. All the NHL needs to do is bargain out that stupid "player money can never go down" clause. The fact that they reportedly won't budge at ALL on player contracting issues is complete crap. Bargain out the "de-linkage" clause in this player proposal, split up the contracting issues and fucking finish this already.
NHL:
55.5%
51.5
50
50
50
PA:
56.3%
53.8
52
50
50
It's ridiculous how close the numbers are. All the NHL needs to do is bargain out that stupid "player money can never go down" clause. The fact that they reportedly won't budge at ALL on player contracting issues is complete crap. Bargain out the "de-linkage" clause in this player proposal, split up the contracting issues and fucking finish this already.
Bettman should be a little later I think.
Freyjadour
Member
The NHL hasn't spoken yet.
What are they going to say? They flat out rejected the offer.
If they had any intent to negotiate off of it they would've broken off, spoken about it, and reconvened.
It's a fair offer with the de-linkage bargained out and the contracting issues split up and compromised. In terms of HRR and revenue sharing (without the "player salaries can never go down" clause) the PA's offer is fair.
This.