finally the star of the show gets his moment.
EDIT: lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6juaJLTCuV4
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NHL Lockout With Your Cock Out |OT|
- Thread starter Marvie_3
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finally the star of the show gets his moment.
EDIT: lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6juaJLTCuV4
Thank god, otherwise that twitter account would have been a waste...finally the star of the show gets his moment.
finally the star of the show gets his moment.
EDIT: lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6juaJLTCuV4
DAMN that was fast.
EDIT: lol
Don Cherry Parody@DonCherryParody
YKNOW DOES ANYONE KNOW IF @NHLPodium WAS MADE IN ONTARIO LIKE A GOOD CANADIAN PODIUM? LET'S GO! (THUMBS UP)
Dean Brown@PxPOttawa
My sources tell me the @NHLPodium has been sexting with clint eastwood's chair.
BigJonsson
Member
John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet
Leagued proposed increasing "make whole" provision to 300 Million Dollars.
League won't budge on 5 years/5%
Exception to re-sign own free agents for 7 years
10 year CBA
Keep UFA and Arbitration the same
Leagued proposed increasing "make whole" provision to 300 Million Dollars.
League won't budge on 5 years/5%
Exception to re-sign own free agents for 7 years
10 year CBA
Keep UFA and Arbitration the same
John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet
Leagued proposed increasing "make whole" provision to 300 Million Dollars.
League won't budge on 5 years/5%
Exception to re-sign own free agents for 7 years
10 year CBA
Keep UFA and Arbitration the same
Best part.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Needs to be 30.Best part.
Edit: Exception for own players is good too.
BigJonsson
Member
Best part.
The players want 5, so I hope they can meet in the middle
If we have to go through this bullshit in another 5 years I'll hang myself.The players want 5, so I hope they can meet in the middle
John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet
Leagued proposed increasing "make whole" provision to 300 Million Dollars.
League won't budge on 5 years/5%
Exception to re-sign own free agents for 7 years
10 year CBA
Keep UFA and Arbitration the same
This...Doesn't seem all that unreasonable.
The players want 5, so I hope they can meet in the middle
5? Dear god, no. It was more than 5 years since the last lockout and THAT was too short of a time. Can't have this shit again in just 5.
BigJonsson
Member
Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
Some tension in room at times; Jacobs nearly walks out; Miller snaps. Moderates rule day #NHL /3
Some tension in room at times; Jacobs nearly walks out; Miller snaps. Moderates rule day #NHL /3
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Panthers prospects will be in their prime in 5 years so hell no. 30 year CBA or bust.
Honestly, they're now so ridiculously close.
Make whole is even closer than it was.
NHL budged on some contracting rights (UFA and arbitration are big gives).
Ball is in the PA's court. The single key issue seems like it'll be the cap on contract length. If the PA wants to flush a season down the toilet because of that, they can go fuck themselves.
Don't think they will, though. I think they'll hammer it out.
Make whole is even closer than it was.
NHL budged on some contracting rights (UFA and arbitration are big gives).
Ball is in the PA's court. The single key issue seems like it'll be the cap on contract length. If the PA wants to flush a season down the toilet because of that, they can go fuck themselves.
Don't think they will, though. I think they'll hammer it out.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Sounds like linkage and getting to 50-50 are the big points.
BigJonsson
Member
Strange that all this info is coming out.....
Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
Some tension in room at times; Jacobs nearly walks out; Miller snaps. Moderates rule day #NHL /3
:lol No surprise there.
Ryan Miller seems like a supreme douche.
Last time the PA publicly stated their figure for Make Whole they wanted $393 million. NHL is ponying up $300 million. That's not a very sizable gap at all.
Didn't the players already acknowledge they're willing to accept linkage?
Last time the PA publicly stated their figure for Make Whole they wanted $393 million. NHL is ponying up $300 million. That's not a very sizable gap at all.
Sounds like linkage and getting to 50-50 are the big points.
Didn't the players already acknowledge they're willing to accept linkage?
Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
Some tension in room at times; Jacobs nearly walks out; Miller snaps. Moderates rule day #NHL /3
Mmhmm guess he got confronted out of his comfort zone.
BigJonsson
Member
Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
Line of the night goes to @ian_mendes on Miller snapping back at Jacobs: "at least we know he can stand up to a Bruin"
LOL
Line of the night goes to @ian_mendes on Miller snapping back at Jacobs: "at least we know he can stand up to a Bruin"
LOL
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
He's a goalie, what do you expect? They're as mentally temperamental as they come.
He's a goalie, what do you expect? They're as mentally temperamental as they come.
No way man, Goalies can totally perform under pressure - oh.
...but...but you assholes told me I was supposed to like Jacobs now.
Rule of thumb:
Everyone involved in the process is an asshole except golden boy Crosby and his merry march of Penguins.
Rule of thumb:
Everyone involved in the process is an asshole except golden boy Crosby and his merry march of Penguins.
Jacobs was already a scumbag going in though. The notion I was supposed to like the guy because we won a cup sickened me.
Miller is probably one of the few players with a triple-digit IQ.
It made his fake concussions all the more believable!
I'm not sure why the NHL feels it needs the 5% variance rule on top of the year cap on contracts. On top of the rules put in place to help eliminate back-diving contracts before the lockout, one of the proposed changes (year cap or 5%) should essentially kill those back-diving deals.
You might get a few 7 year deals from teams re-signing their own players that flirt with being "back diving", but nothing close to the contracts that caused this to be such an issue in the first place.
Eliminate the 5% variance, keep the year limit (5 years, 7 for your own guys).
You might get a few 7 year deals from teams re-signing their own players that flirt with being "back diving", but nothing close to the contracts that caused this to be such an issue in the first place.
Eliminate the 5% variance, keep the year limit (5 years, 7 for your own guys).
It made his fake concussions all the more believable!
:lol Yep. All a ploy to get Enroth more playing time! Ugh. Those were bad days.
I'm not sure why the NHL feels it needs the 5% variance rule on top of the year cap on contracts. On top of the rules put in place to help eliminate back-diving contracts before the lockout, one of the proposed changes (year cap or 5%) should essentially kill those back-diving deals.
You might get a few 7 year deals from teams re-signing their own players that flirt with being "back diving", but nothing close to the contracts that caused this to be such an issue in the first place.
Eliminate the 5% variance, keep the year limit (5 years, 7 for your own guys).
Because the rules put in place to help the front-loaded deals are a joke, and completely ineffective. The fact that contracts like Kovy's, Ehrhoff's, etc. are considered acceptable is all the evidence anyone should need to see how useless they are. If they just instituted a 5-7 year rule, we'd still see nonsensical contracts being handed out to 30-32 year olds.
Because the rules put in place to help the front-loaded deals are a joke, and completely ineffective. The fact that contracts like Kovy's, Ehrhoff's, etc. are considered acceptable is all the evidence anyone should need to see how useless they are. If they just instituted a 5-7 year rule, we'd still see nonsensical contracts being handed out to 30-32 year olds.
Not really, because those guys would have to retire at 35-37 for the "back diving" deals to be effective. The whole reason the back diving deals have been used is because when the guys that signed them retire long before they're over (in the small money years) they're off the books cap wise. This will be much harder to do with 30-32 year olds because you're banking on the guy retiring before the contract is up. If you back-dive a deal with a 32 year old on a 7 year deal, you could be stuck with an ineffective 38-39 year old eating up $5+ mil in cap space.
You might get the odd deal here or there that is borderline, but you'd get nothing like Kovy, Ehrhoff, Luongo, Pronger, Hossa, etc. There just wouldn't be enough years to really make it feasible.
I'd be happy if they split that issue. PA accepts contract term limits (5 years/7 years as proposed) and the NHL takes off the variance rule. The PA then accepts a 10 year CBA. The $300 million "make whole" is accepted, the UFA and arbitration stays the same. Linked, 50/50 deal from year 1. Increased revenue sharing system.
That seems like the most reasonable compromise to me, with where we stand right now on the major issues.
Not really, because those guys would have to retire at 35-37 for the "back diving" deals to be effective. The whole reason the back diving deals have been used is because when the guys that signed them retire long before they're over (in the small money years) they're off the books cap wise. This will be much harder to do with 30-32 year olds because you're banking on the guy retiring before the contract is up. If you back-dive a deal with a 32 year old on a 7 year deal, you could be stuck with an ineffective 38-39 year old eating up $5+ mil in cap space.
You might get the odd deal here or there that is borderline, but you'd get nothing like Kovy, Ehrhoff, Luongo, Pronger, Hossa, etc. There just wouldn't be enough years to really make it feasible.
If you kept the rules, you're opening yourself up to contracts like 7 year, $37M contracts structured 7,7,7,7,7,1,1 again. And not everyone can be Teemu. I wonder how many 38 year old forwards are in the league (for defensemen, you may have a point).
I would agree that 5% is pretty limited and that could be expanded, but there should be some protection from the wild swings. The current CBA has shown any loopholes will be exploited to their limits.
If you kept the rules, you're opening yourself up to contracts like 7 year, $37M contracts structured 7,7,7,7,7,1,1 again. And not everyone can be Teemu. I wonder how many 38 year old forwards are in the league (for defensemen, you may have a point).
I would agree that 5% is pretty limited and that could be expanded, but there should be some protection from the wild swings. The current CBA has shown any loopholes will be exploited to their limits.
That's a massive gamble for $1.7 million in cap savings, though. If the player doesn't retire you're stuck with a $5.3 million player for two years at the end of the deal. It's also a deal you wouldn't see handed out very often at all.
It would essentially become a non-issue it would happen so frequently because it becomes such a gamble.
I think you can still have a variance, just not 5%. That's ridiculous.I'm not sure why the NHL feels it needs the 5% variance rule on top of the year cap on contracts. On top of the rules put in place to help eliminate back-diving contracts before the lockout, one of the proposed changes (year cap or 5%) should essentially kill those back-diving deals.
You might get a few 7 year deals from teams re-signing their own players that flirt with being "back diving", but nothing close to the contracts that caused this to be such an issue in the first place.
Eliminate the 5% variance, keep the year limit (5 years, 7 for your own guys).
I think you can still have a variance, just not 5%. That's ridiculous.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Something like 20% would do it.
Eh, agree to disagree here I guess. I don't think it's that big of a risk because teams near the cap floor will scoop these players up for nothing (like Brian Rolston and the Islanders this year). The 30-32 range is where the concern would begin, but it could be progressively worse as the players age goes up from there. Guys in Doan's situation this offseason could exploit it to a much higher degree.
Anyway, if this is one of the "major" issues left, they're close. I'm going back to being pessimistic because it's easier.
Agreed.
Anyway, if this is one of the "major" issues left, they're close. I'm going back to being pessimistic because it's easier.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Something like 20% would do it.
Agreed.
Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
Line of the night goes to @ian_mendes on Miller snapping back at Jacobs: "at least we know he can stand up to a Bruin"
LOL
That's hilarious and sad at the same time if you know anything about Miller and the Sabres.
I love Miller. He gets pissy at times and he's very vocal when something bothers him, but that's part of what's awesome. He's not a afraid to say what he thinks. Was fucking great when he flat out said he hated the Leafs during a live TV interview.
I don't remember this, sounds hilarious thoughWas fucking great when he flat out said he hated the Leafs during a live TV interview.
yankeehater
Member
Dreger tweeted that although the players may not love the NHL's last proposal, it may be enough to encourage a full membership vote on it.
I bet if it goes to a member vote it would pass easily.
KingHenrik30
Member
Let's say players accept the NHL's contracting restrictions. Wouldn't it be hilarious if a UFA signed a 1 year deal with a club and then signed a 7 year extension? I haven't seen anything regarding what makes a player that team's "own". CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT!
Woke up this morning, still locked out. Will wake up tomorrow morning, still locked out.
Indeed.
Freyjadour
Member
6 hours old but:
Vote or Fehr fucking everything up?
Edit:
Welp. That answers that.
@aaronward_NHL said:NHLPA internal meeting to take place mid Thursday morning and will include players not in attendance via telephone. #TSN
Vote or Fehr fucking everything up?
Edit:
@JSportsnet said:Can confirm NHLPA is insisting that Don Fehr return to negotiations...and if that's the case the commissioner will be on the other side.
Welp. That answers that.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
6 hours old but:
Vote or Fehr fucking everything up?
Edit:
Welp. That answers that.
Welp, park the parade floats we are done here.
yankeehater
Member
Fuck why would they insist on Fehr coming back after all the progress made without him. Fuck you Solo!
Freyjadour
Member
@cotsonika said:Sounds like the NHL's $300M "make-whole" offer is contingent on 10 yr deal. NHLPA hasn't wanted to go that long.
I don't know if this is referring to the PAs previous 5 yr offer or if there's genuine discontent over a 10 yr deal, but lol regardless. If they'd signed a 10 yr deal last time they'd be much better off right now.