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[brucewaynegretzky]

Listen, I'm a fan of a team that's quite a bit more valuable thanks yours will likely ever be.

But when the finances are completely skewed in the direction of overpaying players... And the NHLPA wants a fucking raise? Sorry. But Econ 101 is to get finances in order. If NHL were paying their players what MLB is... The league would be profitable. If structured like MLB, it would be just as fucking boring.

There's no need for a mediator. They are there. Fehr is trying to stall to make it look like he's doing "everything" he can while he chokes any positivity out of negotiation. It's an attempt to get in the middle but he's just going to fuck over core economics like EVERY SINGLE PROPOSAL HE HAS EVER DONE

What this process needs is psychiatrists, not mediators. Anyone who supports fehr or the NHLPA, especially for very non relevant things like "the coyotes don't make money!" Needs to get their heads checked.

Last I checked, there aren't 18 teams named the Phoenix coyotes and last I checked... Their revenue pit is helping the rest of the league.

So 18 teams even after the gift of a lower salary floor due to teams not reaching revenue mins means what? That they should move? Or maybe there is a more sensible Econ structure which doesn't revolve around players having their balls lathered with wet $100 bills?

I hate the coyotes and other poor earning teams than you ever will. But I still maintain common sense when dealing with core issues. There are causes to these things that I am fully aware of that you constantly feign ignorance to.

That's not an acceptable disagreement.

This is just ridiculous. I've explained numerous times how if you structure revenue sharing as a percentage of profits of the most profitable teams redistributed to the least profitable (minus the teams that clearly are incapable of being profitable) you can EASILY cover the teams which are not consistently profitable, but have the ability to be in the black if managed well.

The bolded is not an economic argument. It's another example of how you argue economics to further goals with have nothing to do with actual economics, but rather the broken monopolistic structure of how the league already works. An ACTUAL economically rational approach would be every team can pay what they want, but that's just what we had before when Toronto spent a billion dollars a year. The solution is an ACTUAL middle ground where you don't artificially depress wages to the point where an impossibly non-competitive business (aka PHX) is profitable.

 

[Red_Man]

Penguins owners planned to stay as long as there was a reason to try. They are leaving nyc tonite

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I guess that's that.

 

[CCF23]

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I guess that's that.

Is Burkle leaving too? I read it was just the other Pens dude.

 

[Freyjadour]

They're setting up a presser now as well, before the meeting has concluded.

It's over gents.

 

[cube444]

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I guess that's that.

They don't want to see three straight seasons of Sid sitting around with no hobbies/life.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

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I guess that's that.

Good times, not really. Oh well, I picked up Dishonored for cheap. Lots of games to play. Fuck them both, but fuck the PA harder...some place uncomfortable

Spoiler

like the back of a Volkswagen

 

[Red_Man]

They're setting up a presser now as well, before the meeting has concluded.

It's over gents.

Not over just yet, just expected to be over soon which isn't much better.

 

[Marvie_3]

Good times, not really. Oh well, I picked up Dishonored for cheap. Lots of games to play. Fuck them both, but fuck the PA harder...some place uncomfortable

Spoiler

like the back of a Volkswagen

PLAY MOAR FORZA

 

[Socreges]

Got Far Cry 3 for $40. Awaiting shipment. *thumbs up*

 

[SCHUEY F1]

PLAY MOAR FORZA

:lol I do need to finish up the single player and those other challenges for sure.

 

[Freyjadour]

Not over just yet, just expected to be over soon which isn't much better.

One and the same really.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Hopefully Bettman can announce the cancellation of the season so we can move on to the only hockey competition that means anything: THE WJC.

 

[Red_Man]

PA is responding to the NHLs proposal

 

[Montresor]

Hopefully Bettman can announce the cancellation of the season so we can move on to the only hockey competition that means anything: THE WJC.

Fuck the WJC. I want NHL hockey.

 

[Marvie_3]

PA is responding to the NHLs proposal

NHLPA's response:

At this point I'm hoping for A full season lockout, players end up taking it on the chin next summer, and then we all laugh when they realize they are little more than dancing monkeys on skates here to amuse us.

They're too stupid to realize this, but I agree.

 

[KingHenrik30]

At this point I'm hoping for A full season lockout, players end up taking it on the chin next summer, and then we all laugh when they realize they are little more than dancing monkeys on skates here to amuse us.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Fuck the WJC. I want NHL hockey.

NHL? You're on the wrong side of history/humanity/decency.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I'm looking forward to the WJC, NHL or no NHL.

 

[Smiley90]

At this point I'm hoping for A full season lockout, players end up taking it on the chin next summer, and then we all laugh when they realize they are little more than dancing monkeys on skates here to amuse us.

Yup.

How IS Forza? I love the franchise, but not sure what's up with the path they've taken with Horizon.

 

[Socreges]

PA is responding to the NHLs proposal

 

[Merguson]

The NHL staff have left the hotel to return to the NHL offices.. so this is probably over.

 

[Slurmer]

Matt barnaby is about to throw in the towel guys. No season this year...it's all over.

 

[Smiley90]

Decertification. C'mon. Do it.

 

[CCF23]

The NHL staff have left the hotel to return to the NHL offices.. so this is probably over.

I'm guessing the PA countered again and Daly is taking it back for review with Bettman and the owners that remain in NY.

Apparently the PA is going to address the media in 15 minutes or so. Probably not good. Seriously, fuck them if this all falls through now. I've blamed both sides this entire time but if we lose a season at this point I hope the PA gets absolutely destroyed.

 

[Plinko]

If it fails, this is it. There will be no season.

My guess is that the league would wait until the 10th and then go ahead with plans to cancel.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Cox: Players can't blame Bettman at this point. He hasn't been in a single meeting all week.

This is true. And while Bill Daly has been around, he looks like Homer Simpson, and who can stay angry at Homer Simpson?

Spoiler

FRANK GRIMES

 

[Heretic]

Haha awesome!

 

[CCF23]

Nick Cotsonika ‏@cotsonika

Apparently players had something significant to say, weren't happy Bettman and owners didn't show up. We'll see what Fehr says.

Heh.

 

[Marvie_3]

Yup.

How IS Forza? I love the franchise, but not sure what's up with the path they've taken with Horizon.

It's the best Forza game.

I'm guessing the PA countered again and Daly is taking it back for review with Bettman and the owners that remain in NY.

Apparently the PA is going to address the media in 15 minutes or so. Probably not good. Seriously, fuck them if this all falls through now. I've blamed both sides this entire time but if we lose a season at this point I hope the PA gets absolutely destroyed.

 

[Cake Boss]

 

[Heretic]

Take me with you...

Sonic, please put the penis away...

 

[CCF23]

Hold me.

 

[Kifimbo]

Heh.

Bunch of babies. "We want to talk with the owners, without Bettman" and then a week later "Waaaaah, Bettman isn't at the meeting". Looking for excuses every time.

 

[Red_Man]

Players can't blame Bettman at this point. He hasn't been in a single meeting this week.

He has a point

 

[Marvie_3]

Damien Cox @DamoSpin
Players have lost $517 million in pay, which now exceeds the $500 m they were looking for in "make whole." The math is getting tougher.

Geniuses. All of them.


Gonna keep posting this for comedic reasons:
http://lockoutclock.com/

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Fehr once again manages to grab defeat in the jaws of victory.

 

[MutFox]

I was going to praise JesusAllahBuddah...

 

[scissorfight]

Geniuses. All of them.

brilliant strategy, guys!

 

[Smiley90]

Geniuses. All of them.

Loving the phrase "Math is getting tougher" lol

 

[CCF23]

Bunch of babies. "We want to talk with the owners, without Bettman" and then a week later "Waaaaah, Bettman isn't at the meeting". Looking for excuses every time.

For sure. Fuck who's in the room, just say what you have to say. If you have something to give, fucking give it and move this process along.

 

[DopeyFish]

Fehr to speak to media in a few minutes

Hope he chokes on the microphone

 

[Marvie_3]

Fehr to speak to media in a few minutes

Hope he chokes on the microphone

If he hasn't choked on his ego by now, a little microphone isn't going to do any damage.

 

[CrankyJay]

Fehr to speak to media in a few minutes

Hope he chokes on the microphone

There's nothing to fear but Fehr himself.

 

[Kifimbo]

Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
Just got texted one four letter word by a source. Not good night folks. Be back with you after I take off from #NHL

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[CrankyJay]

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deal

Spoiler

fuck

 

[Coldnoodle]

It's over...bye bye Ribeiro

 

[CCF23]

The PA did indeed counter. Said they tried to address the NHL's concerns. Said the time is now to make a deal, so fucking make it.

 

[Zombie James]

PA made presentation today. Say time is now to make a deal. Say addressed league concerns.

"Ok, guys, we've met you half way... max 16-year contracts."

 

[Montresor]

Haha awesome!

Yup.

Are people allowed to fudge their location on the 3DS? Either way, that person is someone cool. Either a Leaf fan who's passionate enough to know about Owuya, random black goalie prospect, or it's Owuya himself.

 

[bonesmccoy]

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AIDS.

Dreger looks stoned and Mackenzie is wearing a seal skin suit.