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[Coldnoodle]

9pm? Shit is so weird and obscure with these negotiations and meetings.

Sleepover.

 

[Socreges]

I can't wait to see which team hoper gets to be Piggy and has a huge rock dropped on their head.

Could it be anyone but Cake Boss?

 

[Surge]

9pm now...this damn thing was originally set for 5pm wasn't it?

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I love how the Hope/Nope divide has gone on long enough that it's starting to take on tribalistic elements. The standard hostility and generalizations. Soon we'll be at each other with rocks and spears.

I plan on using a board with a nail in it.

 

[Leeroy3101]

Are we on podium watch yet? I need my unfounded optimism towards the blue jackets back.

 

[BigJonsson]

9pm now...this damn thing was originally set for 5pm wasn't it?

Something like that

 

[vatstep]

I hope they just keep pushing the meeting back until the drop-dead date and time runs out.

 

[KernelPanic]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Hearing NHL new counter offer it has worked on last 24 hrs is comprehensive; hence the delay this evening putting finishing touches on it

The NHL is probably photocopying their asses and stapling it to the back of the proposal.

 

[Marvie_3]

Could it be anyone but Cake Boss?

No room for compassion in this war party, dr. jones. Kill or be killed.

I plan on using a board with a nail in it.

Better hope team hope isn't smart enough to figure out bigger boards/nails.....oh who am I kidding, of course they aren't.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

No room for compassion in this war party, dr. jones. Kill or be killed.


Better hope team hope isn't smart enough to figure out bigger boards/nails.....oh who am I kidding, of course they aren't.

lol, I knew you would get that reference.

 

[Socreges]

lol, I knew you would get that reference.

When Harry Met Sally?

 

[Cake Boss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqfIHlap7G8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[BigJonsson]

PA has arrived

 

[Cake Boss]

Here come the leaks, revenue sharing seems to be done, they have issues on pensions.

 

[bonesmccoy]

I wish they'd just whip together some MOUs and start the season. I *need* Reimer.

 

[Kave_Man]

Here come the leaks, revenue sharing seems to be done, they have issues on pensions.

If that's true then shouldn't this thing be pretty close to being done? Unless revenue isn't this HRR we all keep hearing about.

 

[Coldnoodle]

Just fucking get a dart board and settle things that way.

 

[KernelPanic]

If that's true then shouldn't this thing be pretty close to being done? Unless revenue isn't this HRR we all keep hearing about.

The Salary cap in 2013-2014(NHL wants a $60M cap, NHLPA wants $67M) and escrow are the biggest issues from my understanding.

The players want a cap on escrow(league revenues will drop due to the lockout and they don't want to be on the hook for it).

 

[Snowdrift]

More simpleton economics from the NHLPA

RT @darrenturcotte8: It is pretty obvious. The shorter the season the more owners make. 1/2 salaries plus all benefits of playoff money for 48 game season

I guess the fixed costs paid out in signing bonuses, front office staff and facilities are irrelevant in the minds of the NHLPA when determining total costs and profit.

 

[Surge]

"Deal not close, but progress was made"

I'm fucking waiting for it...

 

[Cat Party]

Your day of reckoning is soon at hand, Nopers! We put our faith in The Goatee and it is going to pay off soon.

 

[Kave_Man]

The Salary cap in 2013-2014(NHL wants a $60M cap, NHLPA wants $67M) and escrow are the biggest issues from my understanding.

The players want a cap on escrow(league revenues will drop due to the lockout and they don't want to be on the hook for it).

Ah gotcha.

 

[Stet]

is it in yet

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

I suggest we exploit Team Hope's naivety and tendency to repeat the same mistake over and over again.

Distract them with vague tweets and Boston News reporters!

 

[Cake Boss]

is it in yet

Just the tip.

 

[DopeyFish]

Nhlpa leaving, NHL gave them a new offer which they'll review

 

[BigJonsson]

At least they haven't blown up at each other yet


Bettman to speak in a minute


Kypreos says there has been movement on the NHL side again

 

[Entropia]

London Knights lost tonight to the Sarnia Sting. Bringing their 24 game winning streak to a close.

 

[BigJonsson]

Bettman looks not pissed


There were some things we agreed to
There were some things we moved towards the players
There were some things we said no to


And I think I bought that sweater Bettman was wearing on boxing day lol

 

[Cake Boss]

Yeah they were up 3-0 after the first and lost in OT 4-3.

 

[BigJonsson]

RDS reporter says revenue sharing is basically done, and the PA will accept a 10 year CBA under certain conditions

 

[DopeyFish]

Revenue sharing and 10 year CBA with conditions agreed to by both sides

So... Pension, contracting, escrow appear to be the MAJOR issues left

Pension is easy

Don't see NHL budging on the other two (Especially escrow)

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Revenue sharing and 10 year CBA with conditions agreed to by both sides

So... Pension, contracting, escrow appear to be the MAJOR issues left

Pension is easy

Don't see NHL budging on the other two (Especially escrow)

They'll get SOMETHING on contracting, though I expect the numbers to be tweaked on length and fluctuation. Escrow will be killer. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fehr cave there in exchange for contracting restriction changes.

 

[DopeyFish]

They'll get SOMETHING on contracting, though I expect the numbers to be tweaked on length and fluctuation. Escrow will be killer. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fehr cave there in exchange for contracting restriction changes.

Contracting is very important because of insurance

I think the max the NHL can do is 7 years (they are at 6 years / 7 years for drafted team currently)

Insurance is important to players too as if someone goes on LTIR, they're paid with insurance and it frees up the cap space for another player (with up to equal value)

It's essentially adding money outside of the system

 

[KingHenrik30]

Don't forget the 2013/14 cap, still a big issue

 

[DopeyFish]

Don't forget the 2013/14 cap, still a big issue

The current assumption (which confuses me)... Is players want the high cap even with high escrow to keep teams together and hope revenues pick up

It also raises the floor, increases team spending so pool increases but players are paid less

Instead of low cap = players paid more, but less available for others

The logic doesn't fly to me considering some of the players comments though

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Contracting is very important because of insurance

I think the max the NHL can do is 7 years (they are at 6 years / 7 years for drafted team currently)

Insurance is important to players too as if someone goes on LTIR, they're paid with insurance and it frees up the cap space for another player (with up to equal value)

It's essentially adding money outside of the system

Why can't they go past 7 years? And when did they move to 6/7? Last I remember was 5/7 I thought.

At this point why not just go 7 across the board and drop the damn variance limits? If the contract is capped at 7 years the variance doesn't seem particularly important.

 

[DopeyFish]

Why can't they go past 7 years? And when did they move to 6/7? Last I remember was 5/7 I thought.

At this point why not just go 7 across the board and drop the damn variance limits? If the contract is capped at 7 years the variance doesn't seem particularly important.

Because insurance companies don't want to insure contracts greater than 7 years

No insurance means when a player gets injured, team eats the cost... Depending on the team and contract value, they might not be able to afford other contracts in their place

Variance is important because it deflates cap hit.... Can't have those types of contracts

Though it makes me want NHL to stop averaging salary over contract length

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Because insurance companies don't want to insure contracts greater than 7 years

No insurance means when a player gets injured, team eats the cost... Depending on the team and contract value, they might not be able to afford other contracts in their place

I understand what you're saying, what I don't understand is where they got the 7 year figure from. It's obviously not arbitrary. Are they NOT getting insurance now? Did insurers just come to them and say "We won't insure contracts longer than 7 years anymore?"

 

[DopeyFish]

I understand what you're saying, what I don't understand is where they got the 7 year figure from. It's obviously not arbitrary. Are they NOT getting insurance now? Did insurers just come to them and say "We won't insure contracts longer than 7 years anymore?"

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Da...Covers-Player-Contracts-For-Seven-Years.aspx?

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Da...Covers-Player-Contracts-For-Seven-Years.aspx?

OK, so they're not covering everyone, and already eating some costs. The 7 year contract term requirement is rather arbitrary as a "non-negotiable" then. It's not like its the difference between total coverage and no coverage. I understand why they'd set that as their benchmark, but it hardly seems like a "necessary" term for them considering what they get by capping at 7 years.

 

[Red_Man]

London Knights lost tonight to the Sarnia Sting. Bringing their 24 game winning streak to a close.

This is without Galchenyuk and Muprhy funnily enough. Although London is missing Harrington.

 

[bonesmccoy]

A ten year deal would be magical.

Dopey & BWG speaking amicably? Wtf, 2013.

 

[DopeyFish]

OK, so they're not covering everyone, and already eating some costs. The 7 year contract term requirement is rather arbitrary as a "non-negotiable" then. It's not like its the difference between total coverage and no coverage. I understand why they'd set that as their benchmark, but it hardly seems like a "necessary" term for them considering what they get by capping at 7 years.

Everything is insurable... But after year 7 the prices likely become ridiculous. Especially with players with injury history.

And insurance plays a pretty big part in nhls ability to keep guaranteed contracts.

Sidney Crosby can't play overseas right now because the teams can't afford his contract premiums which are probably upwards of $1.5-2 mil a year

 

[Merguson]

From everyone's favorite insider.

Kypreos reports that both sides had internal meetings on adding four more teams to the playoffs but it hasn't been brought up in negotiations.

Hope for the Leafs??

 

[DopeyFish]

From everyone's favorite insider.

Kypreos reports that both sides had internal meetings on adding four more teams to the playoffs but it hasn't been brought up in negotiations.

Hope for the Leafs??

Fuck I hope not

I'd rather the NHL expand to 48 teams and have a 32 team playoff before they do something as lame as 4 extra playoff teams

It screws up the great symmetry of the playoffs

 

[vatstep]

Fucking LOL. Screw the regular season, who needs it? Just put every fucking team in the playoffs from the get-go and do one big ass tournament.

The MLB had the right idea with the additional wildcard and play-in game, and I'd be behind the NFL adding another wildcard per conference (and eliminating the #2 bye), but 20 fucking playoff teams in the NHL would just be absurd.

 

[Quick]

Would things be ton more simple if the league changes to a W/L/GB count, rather than a points system (2W, 0L, 1OT)?

 

[bonesmccoy]

That reminds me of when UEFA added a second group stage to the Champions League. It was awful, everyone hated it, and after a few years it was scrapped.

 

[Plinko]

From everyone's favorite insider.

Kypreos reports that both sides had internal meetings on adding four more teams to the playoffs but it hasn't been brought up in negotiations.

Hope for the Leafs??

What is this garbage?

No. No. NO.