Freyjadour
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9th of the CBA, not career, unless I'm reading that wrong?
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9th of the CBA, not career, unless I'm reading that wrong?
9th year of CBA
KernelPanic
Member
I understand that to mean 9th year of the CBA not 9 years playing in the league.
Looks like a 7 year effective CBA that the NHL will opt out in year 7 to avoid the 800K min salary.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Ok yeah that's insane. They know damn well they're not getting that.
Wit? I don't think you read it correctly.
Just for reference: NHL is currently 525k min salary and its the highest of the major 4 already
It's nuts
KingHenrik30
Member
People can say the owners are being unreasonable, but the players are returning that unreasonability in kind.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Yeah, he's not presenting the whole case. The reason all these unions say they will decertify isn't because it's just a negotiating tactic. It's because they're negotiating with a monopoly.
Honest question 2: Did Fehr ever threaten decertification with the MLB? There it would make less sense because they have a statutory antitrust exemption.
MLB is essentially what NHL would look like with decertification
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
It's another way to sneak in de-linkage and to shorten the CBA length.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Because, say it with me: IT. IS. A. MONOPOLY!
Seriously, I'm ok with it in this instance, a monopoly makes for a more consistent and interesting competitive sports league, but that comes with certain caveats when it comes to dictating costs.
KernelPanic
Member
They can play in the KHL or in Europe, not a monopoly.
It's not a monopoly, though.
If NHLPA members didn't have contracts, they would all be going for KHL, SEL, etc
There are other pro hockey leagues out there
brucewaynegretzky
Member
You mean the leagues that the NHL has non-compete agreements with?
The NHL engages in quite a few practices that would be immediately prosecuted in other industries.
Also, it can be a North American monopoly. A monopoly can exist within one market even if other markets have products that would be competitors if they were there.
Freyjadour
Member
Daily Eklund vague tweet:
NHL doesn't have a non-compete with the KHL or SEL. They have transfer agreements arranged through the IIHF
You can't argue North American monopoly as A) AHL is another pro league B) NHL is a global entity
And this isn't another industry.
Eklund has always been very reliable.
Gotta get this site hits somehow
Incorrect usage of "then/than" and a random capital letter on the word "to." Journalism, is that you?
brucewaynegretzky
Member
The other pro leagues serve as feeder leagues into the NHL! They're not in the same market. They're in the market for amateur level hockey.
And you're right this isn't other industries, but there IS a reason that the MLB has a statutory antitrust exemption, because enough people looked at it and thought it WAS a monopoly. You're arguing as if your position is some foregone conclusion, but that's complete bullshit. Antitrust as a field is incredibly vague and in the NBA case in a unfavorable jurisdiction a federal appellate judge disagreed with you so you might want to back off on you confidence in this regard. I'm not claiming it's an open and shut case, what I'm saying is that decertification to file what is a completely legitimate legal issue that needs to be resolved is a rational course of action, and that's exactly why every major sports league is so scared of that happening (MLB excluded of course).
Take you're learnin out of hear teacher!
He's not wrong. Deadlines haven't meant anything. Though this one might be real.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Offer wise perhaps, but cancellations have been timely.
Freyjadour
Member
RealKyper (Nick Kypreos)
Believed #NHLPA has already received 75% needed votes to file disclaimer to #NHL once again. As of now, no internal date has been set.
Believed #NHLPA has already received 75% needed votes to file disclaimer to #NHL once again. As of now, no internal date has been set.
More empty threats!
KernelPanic
Member
But but it's not a negotiation tactic !
But but but negotiating in gud faith.
We're talking about the entire season, though, not a piece of the schedule.
There are only so many pieces you can cancel before the season is done for.
Coldnoodle
Member
I want a one game season.
Don't even play a game. Just one huge shootout. 20 rounds. Every player for every team shoots once. The 16 teams that score the most goals get in the playoffs. Stanley Cup is awarded by an air hockey tournament played by the mascot of each team.
So then you're you're saying the Thursday deadline is definitely absolute?
NEVER SAY NEVERRRR
"@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Am told both sides have told mediator they've got a bit of room to move on open issues"
KingHenrik30
Member
Thats whats been written pretty much
Freyjadour
Member
A bit of room on minimum 800k.
There may be a couple days of last minute negotiations like there was in 2005, but I have no reason to doubt that the season isn't in jeopardy next week.
There's no point in having a season that is the same length as the playoffs and you also can't have a 48-50 game schedule with full playoffs starting in March. At that point you're fucking up all the offseason things as well as cutting down a good chunk of the time off between seasons.
I agree with everything you just said. But no one seems willing to say that they believe that the Thursday deadline is as final and absolute as we're being told. Because we all know that the NHL will be willing to compromise (to a point, obviously).
Niiiiiiiiiiice.
I don't think anyone really believes Thursday is the ABSOLUTE deadline, but more that the Thursday deadline breaks down to "we get it done in this chunk of negotiations or not at all".
If nothing happens by the end of the weekend, it wouldn't surprise me to see the season gone.
That's what happened in 2005. Bettman set a deadline, proposals went back and forth, deadline passed, more proposals went back and forth, after a couple days and no progress, the season was cancelled.
AngmarsKing701
Member
If this doesn't happen it should be a video game format in NHL 14
Agreed. So I do think Bieksa's reply was accurate, though he was definitely under stating the importance of this particular deadline.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Fehr fucking shit up AGAIN. I hope he's dead by next CBA.
I... Wow... There are that many episodes? Wow.
They didn't say that, they simply said "Calgary has no prospects that are dateless to their high school proms next week"
I... Wow... There are that many episodes? Wow.
They didn't say that, they simply said "Calgary has no prospects that are dateless to their high school proms next week"
