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NHL Off-Season 2015 |OT| With the first pick the LA Kings are proud to select...

TFC is still living in 2010. 'Free agency is our draft'

Except you have 10 outfield players on a pitch and more than 3 of them have to be good. Especially your centre-backs.
 

Quick

Banned
A Sequel to both...?


This is strange. Supposedly the poster is real

It's like seeing the Batman vs. Superman poster in I Am Legend.

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Samyy

Member
So McDavid may actually save the Oilers if this is the case, as dumb as some of Chiarelli's moves were lately he's gotta be a big step up from anyone in their current FO.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
So McDavid may actually save the Oilers if this is the case, as dumb as some of Chiarelli's moves were lately he's gotta be a big step up from anyone in their current FO.

He still would have a shit ton of work to do.

He needs to get better defense... Better forward depth... a better goalie.

They have a lot of pieces to find success... But can they ice all those current pieces to find success? Unlikely. You can't really find great FA defense or Goalies either
 

Samyy

Member
He still would have a shit ton of work to do.

He needs to get better defense... Better forward depth... a better goalie.

They have a lot of pieces to find success... But can they ice all those current pieces to find success? Unlikely. You can't really find great FA defense or Goalies either

Right but if you had to choose Lowe + MacT to do all that work vs. Chiarelli + MacT/new GM, you'd clearly put your eggs in that second basket. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be tough but I can't imagine their current FO would even come close to doing a mediocre job.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
Right but if you had to choose Lowe + MacT to do all that work vs. Chiarelli + MacT/new GM, you'd clearly put your eggs in that second basket. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be tough but I can't imagine their current FO would even come close to doing a mediocre job.

I wouldn't want either Lowe or MacT involved.

having chiarelli as president would be a waste of his talents.
 

Tabris

Member
I dunno who to blame though, as I think the issues are more to do with Katz who is the one calling the big movements. I don't think Katz will allow Yakupov or RNH to be traded, which hamstrings any GM.
 

Samyy

Member
I dunno who to blame though, as I think the issues are more to do with Katz who is the one calling the big movements. I don't think Katz will allow Yakupov or RNH to be traded, which hamstrings any GM.

Going with that some logic though aren't MacT and Lowe his guys and they seem to be on the way out? I can't imagine Chiarelli would sign in the first place unless he had final say.
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
Old Petey in Oil town?

Better than Lowe and MacT. I would think he'd trade some of the core to shore up the rest of the team. MacT promised the core not to worry, but Petey C sure as hell didn't.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
I dunno who to blame though, as I think the issues are more to do with Katz who is the one calling the big movements. I don't think Katz will allow Yakupov or RNH to be traded, which hamstrings any GM.

They need to pick 2 of their big drafted guys and take their first round pick for next year and dangle those for depth, defense and G.

some teams like the leafs would be willing to shed current talent for near future talent while also taking back the oils junk.

Can be win-win trades for all involved.
 

Tabris

Member
Hope you enjoy grinders and checkers, Edmonton.

That's what you need to play in the West though. I've said it multiple times, but EDM's kids are just going to get bullied by teams like ANA. Almost every single team in the West has bigger and badder 2nd or 1st lines. Can't keep your grinders and checkers just to your 3rd and 4th lines. Your top lines need to be able to play against the big boys.

Even Sedins, with all jokes aside, are really strong on the puck.
 

Razorskin

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Found this on Reddit, the salt is real:

Why do people like PK Subban?

Why do people like PK Subban? While watching regular season games my friends and I constantly ask eachother and ourselves this question. Off of the ice, PK seems like a great guy. I have seen his interviews and his commercials and he makes me believe that he is sincere in his personality and is an enjoyable person. His PR game is more than admirable, and his charity work, comedy, and interactions with fans are wonderful. However, on the ice PK seems to be a completely different person.

I hope that everyone will bear with me in this wall of text and video link that I have constructed, but all of these interactions have lead me to so intensely dislike a person who, off ice, is clearly a terrific guy. How can someone have such different personalities on ice and off? This is my opinion.

Why do people like PK?

PK Subban is notorious for diving This year he has lead the league in embellishment penalties and has been fined $2,000 on February 4th And $3,000 on May 20th for his Third infraction of the season. PK is the first and only player to ever be fined Twice for embellishment.

Diving incidents
[March 20th, 2015 (Fined) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-OjoLxW_5M
[John Scott facewash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Korrjug37lw
[Bruins playoff Game] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fd57VNE6Kg
[Pretending to be hit] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EHLQ7NNiwQ
[Dive Vs NY Rangers] http://gfycat.com/FrighteningFrequentCowrie
[Embarrassing leap Vs Bruins] http://www.gfycat.com/AromaticMixedCockroach
[October 16th, 2014 (arguable)] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IInpXddoiLA
Although there are a surprising few on Youtube.

While players of every team do make the occasional dive, most players mature and grow out of this habit, much like Sidney Crosby or Brad Marchand seem to have grown away from it. No other player in the league dives as often or as obviously as PK, and as the seasons pass he seems to only be doing it more often, rather than shy away as would be expected of maturing players.

Slashing Mark Stone The slash is intentional no matter how it's looked at. Whether he intended on hitting Stone in an unpadded area is arguable. Subban injured the rookie and was, according to NHL rules, rightfully thrown from the game. What I'm interested in is Subban's consistent responses to be called for penalties. While Subban may have not realized that he truly injured Stone, there is no denying that he took two hands on his stick and intentionally brought it down with force toward Stone. Subban immediately jumps up and down and screams to the officials that it is not deserving of a penalty, and seems to be absolutely shocked that an official could make such a call.

Earlier in the game Subban swung at an airborne puck and brought his stick down onto Ottawa forward Jean-Gabriel Pageau Again, note PK's response. He throws up his arms and contests with the officials as if he cannot even imagine that he could have done something wrong, despite clearly knocking the Ottawa player to the ice. The carelessness of Subban is apparent in the amount of damage he could have done had Pageau not been wearing a visor. The tomahawk of PK's stick would have hit him with a tremendous amount of force to his face.

Dirty Player

Patrice Bergeron The Boston Bruins program "Behind the B" captures a valuable insight into Subban's reasoning. Following Bergeron into the corner, PK swings hard at the back or Bergeron's head twice and fortunately misses the forward, only to tackle him to the ice. When Bergeron confronts the punching, Subban acts as if he doesn't know what he is talking about, and when he admits making the sucker punch attempt, he claims "I thought you were Marchy" (Brad Marchand) Milan Lucic Here Subban makes a similar play in which he sucker punches Boston's Milan Lucic in the back of the head during play. Sean Couturier Here Subban is involved in a scuffle, but when everything has died down and players of both teams are calm, Subban swings through the officials grasps and punches and unsuspecting, unprotected Couturier. Kris Kreider There is another video that I cannot seem to find of last years ECF in which Subban winds up and punches Kreider in the chest as he turns around to face him, knocking him violently to the ice. Subban seems to use this tactic as a form of bodychecking, although completely incorrect and unsportsmanlike.

Slewfooting Slewfooting is arguable one of the most dangerous plays in hockey. These plays generally involve the victim and perpetrator falling to the ice, meaning that the player is not worried about where the puck ends up, as long as he can take down the other player. The victim of a slewfoot is completely helpless to their own landing, and often fall straight onto their backs after being airborne and almost always hit helmet to the ice. Subbans recent slewfoot on Logan Couture In this video , Subban has Four different slewfooting incidents. The Kunitz play against the boards seems to be the most frightening. I remember watching that game, and even re-watching it my jaw drops in fear of Kunitz's ankles being broken. It’s a miracle that he was not injured on the play. Brandon Dubinsky, Patrik Elias, Chris Kunitz, and James Neal are all very dangerously slewfooted by Subban. Subban was fined $2,500 for his slewfoot of Kunitz

Unsportsmanlike Play and refusal to take responsibility

Here PK Subban throws a puck at an unsuspecting official, hitting him in the face.

Johnny Boychuk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlcn574l5No I was lucky enough to attend this game. The boos of the Boston crowd when Subban touched the puck may have been louder than the goal horn. Boychuk is my favorite player as well, so this incident made me especially furious. Subban loses a puck battle, and while Boychuk is on his knee, Subban throws an obvious, deliberate punch to the back of the Defenseman's head. Boychuk immediately responds and engages Subban, he throws up his arms in shock that anyone could feel that way about his polite tap on the Bruins helmet. The usually calm Boychuk grabs Subban, who falls and turtles immedialty upon realizing he cannot escape. I miss you Johnny. Go Isles.

Andrew Ference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heF3OY2Pnoo Another Bruins incident, Subban leaves his feet and drives his forearm and elbow into David Krejci's head. Andrew Ference immedialty attacks PK, who drops to the ground and covers his head, accepting no responsibility for the dirty hit. Although the forearm/elbow drive may be arguable, the leverage given by leaving his feet is not.

Given that a good amount of these incidents are versus the Boston Bruins, who I happen to be a fan of, I am a fan of hockey itself before I am a fan of Boston. The rivalry of Boston and Montreal may be the greatest rivalry in all of sports, and I like to think that the two organizations and fans respect one another, but on the ice the hatred is clear.

There must be a hundred chippy players in the NHL. Whether it's Marchand, Lucic, Shaw, Cooke, Subban, Neal, Ribeiro, or Ott, it is hard to find this much video evidence of any one of those players committing such obvious unsportsmanlike and disrespectful acts. Aside from Cooke that is.. PK Subban is a tremendous player. He can score, he can stick handle, he can hit, and he can block shots. He won a Norris trophy. His athletic ability is undeniable. However his on ice antics are a disrespect not only to the others involved but his teammates, his franchise, his fans, and most importantly; the game of hockey itself.

This post is not intended to infuriate people, or to begin arguments, but rather to bring to light all of these outrageous acts and hope that more people see PK the way that I do.
 

Samyy

Member
Points per game are so important for choosing forwards in the first round.

I used two methods of refining PPG: Age adjusted points per game and NHLE which is a basic formula which uses historical data to estimate how many points a player playing in a different league would have if they played a full season in the NHL. It's main purpose is to weight WHL/QJMHL points less, as scoring doesn't translate as well as the OHL in these leagues.

Looking at 1st round forwards in the CHL, from 2003-2010, here's the list. Green means they're a 0.6+ ppg player in the NHL, yellow means they're a 0.4-0.59 ppg player, and red is anything less than that. My thinking was that any forward who can't crack at least 0.4 ppg isn't an efficient use of a 1st round pick.

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Came out kind of weird aesthetically, but you can clearly see how NHL success begins to taper off as aaNHLE decreases, You're basically guaranteed to get a star with at least 31 aaNHLE, and as you get lower than 27 it becomes a complete crapshoot. Things get ugly at less than 20. These players would make awful 1st round picks (looking at you Paul Bittner at 19 aaNHLE). FYI, Marner was at 46 this season and Strome was at 43. Both are very very very safe picks to be impact players.

I'll do a similar chart for defenseman as well, and I'm guessing it won't be nearly as pretty.

Damn, thats actually pretty cool :eek:
Quick, tweet this to Dubas!!
 

Razorskin

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Points per game are so important for choosing forwards in the first round.

I used two methods of refining PPG: Age adjusted points per game and NHLE which is a basic formula which uses historical data to estimate how many points a player playing in a different league would have if they played a full season in the NHL. It's main purpose is to weight WHL/QJMHL points less, as scoring doesn't translate as well as the OHL in these leagues.

Looking at 1st round forwards in the CHL, from 2003-2010, here's the list. Green means they're a 0.6+ ppg player in the NHL, yellow means they're a 0.4-0.59 ppg player, and red is anything less than that. My thinking was that any forward who can't crack at least 0.4 ppg isn't an efficient use of a 1st round pick.

QkUV51m.png



Came out kind of weird aesthetically, but you can clearly see how NHL success begins to taper off as aaNHLE decreases, You're basically guaranteed to get a star with at least 31 aaNHLE, and as you get lower than 27 it becomes a complete crapshoot. Things get ugly at less than 20. These players would make awful 1st round picks (looking at you Paul Bittner at 19 aaNHLE). FYI, Marner was at 46 this season and Strome was at 43. Both are very very very safe picks to be impact players.

I'll do a similar chart for defenseman as well, and I'm guessing it won't be nearly as pretty.

Great breakdown.

User, go get yourself hired by an NHL org.
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
Points per game are so important for choosing forwards in the first round.

I used two methods of refining PPG: which is a basic formula which uses historical data to estimate how many points a player playing in a different league would have if they played a full season in the NHL. It's main purpose is to weight WHL/QJMHL points less, as scoring doesn't translate as well as the OHL in these leagues.

Looking at 1st round forwards in the CHL, from 2003-2010, here's the list. Green means they're a 0.6+ ppg player in the NHL, yellow means they're a 0.4-0.59 ppg player, and red is anything less than that. My thinking was that any forward who can't crack at least 0.4 ppg isn't an efficient use of a 1st round pick.

Came out kind of weird aesthetically, but you can clearly see how NHL success begins to taper off as aaNHLE decreases, You're basically guaranteed to get a star with at least 31 aaNHLE, and as you get lower than 27 it becomes a complete crapshoot. Things get ugly at less than 20. These players would make awful 1st round picks (looking at you Paul Bittner at 19 aaNHLE). FYI, Marner was at 46 this season and Strome was at 43. Both are very very very safe picks to be impact players.

I'll do a similar chart for defenseman as well, and I'm guessing it won't be nearly as pretty.

Not that this isn't neat, but does it factor in ice time, quality of competition, quality of linemates, etc? There have been plenty of busts that destroyed the junior leagues that never pan out.

...

So where's Lawson Crouse in this you think? :(
Connor Brown? Leipsic? :)
 

calder

Member
I'm still disgusted by the Oilers and everything they do but, today, for the first time in many years my disgust is tinged with a tiny feeling of... concern? Certainly not fear yet, but definitely some potential disquiet as that joke of a franchise follows up some massive undeserved luck with a few really good org changes.
 
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