This game sure doesn't want me to do side quests. I'm still early in the game, and only level 14. I came across a level 22ish quest, which I managed to do by dodging every attack because everything was hitting like a brick. Then I come across an escort quest with level 35's. x.x
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NieR: Automata |OT| "I wouldn't expect too much from this game if I were you."
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I've never had those drop, no. You need to grind low cost drops and fuse them together to get those.
If you're still interested, and you've got a half hour to kill, I'd recommend watching this video.
LINK.
It's a got complete summary of only the events in previous games that actually lead you to Nier: Automata, including material that was only released as novellas, and other written media. Although after you listen to it, you'll realize that these games are only very loosely connected to each other.
Still, it does mean that certain references will "pop" more for you when they do happen, like the one you just mentioned.
OniBarubary
Banned
Thaaaaaank you. Fuck, I was pushing 2B's shit up against the wind for so long thinking I was making headway
Shana? More like Louise. Shana is way softer than Louise is, even though they are basically the same flipping character.
Asuka on the other hand atleast has major reasons for being this way, its not just a thing she does but ties into her backstory which i really like...
Tohsaka..well she's pretty haughty, but def fits the archetype. I like her as a character but infinitely prefer Arturia to her and Yamato Nadeshiko/
Yandere
Chronospherics
Member
Really love the game but I do have a problem with how easy it is.
The manner in which you can heal, makes the game very easy. Opening the sub-real time menu every time you take a hit to heal back up to full, then continuing, means you'll never die. Yet this is how the game tells you to play, this menu exists for this very reason, and healing items are also incredibly easy to stock.
They could have rebalanced it by having a much more restrictive capacity on those healing items, and or making them harder to obtain.
Problematically I don't see the hard difficulty really changing this? Stop me if I'm wrong. And at the same time I don't want to lose the lock on ability because I feel that it makes the fights more cinematic and spectacular to be able to shoot things while dishing out combos. At the same time I also found it quite hard to aim with the regular mode, particularly with skills that require precision. Is there no crosshair you can acquire to make this more intuitive.
The manner in which you can heal, makes the game very easy. Opening the sub-real time menu every time you take a hit to heal back up to full, then continuing, means you'll never die. Yet this is how the game tells you to play, this menu exists for this very reason, and healing items are also incredibly easy to stock.
They could have rebalanced it by having a much more restrictive capacity on those healing items, and or making them harder to obtain.
Problematically I don't see the hard difficulty really changing this? Stop me if I'm wrong. And at the same time I don't want to lose the lock on ability because I feel that it makes the fights more cinematic and spectacular to be able to shoot things while dishing out combos. At the same time I also found it quite hard to aim with the regular mode, particularly with skills that require precision. Is there no crosshair you can acquire to make this more intuitive.
Seven Force
Banned
I just did this part. This might seriously end up being my GOTY.
Exentryk
Member
I was afraid you'd say that. Guess that drop rate+ chip is going to stay on permanently.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Regardless, Nier is a godlike game and is consistent with Taro's work on Automata. You ought to play it at some point.
Awesome thank you!
Soundtrack was godly and want to support this game as much as possible.
Dunno about the Shana = Louise thing. They're pretty different, aside from being tsunderes.
I'd apply the kuudere definition to 2B, if anything. Except it's like 90% kuu, and 10% dere. So a kuuuuuuuuuudere.
I'm reading some definitions (in Japanese, mind you) on tsunderes, and the other character archtypes, and those are hallmarks of a kuudere, not a tsundere. Tsunderes tend to wear their emotions on their sleeves (the occasional emotional outburst doesn't fall under that), and that doesn't quite match 2B's character.
OniBarubary
Banned
I'm on normal and have gotten my shit stuffed on more than one occasion so the difficulty is perfect for me
You can keep it permanently up if you keep healing and you do ridiculous damage. Like you can destroy bosses in no time with it.
Hot Coldman
Banned
There's a trophy for killing 50 enemies with it. Besides that, nah, it's lame. Effective but kind of boring. Get a decent Taunt Up chip and use that instead if you want to tear through enemies.
You can heal, and there's several chips that heal you for attacking/killing, so yea...
Vinter
Member
It is a strong candidate for sure!
I'm playing on hard, and get one shotted sometimes so that definitely changes things.
But yeah, something like a limit on health items (5 each maybe?) and/or them being much harder to obtain would have been better. This is a problem in a ton of games
ExitPlanetDust
Member
It really is a gem.
I've been bringing the disc up to work to play on the PS4 in the break room. I got to
the castle in the forest
I stopped the game and I told him he needed to see how it starts out. So I stared up a new game save and played through the intro
and into the part where the demo starts
We run out of time and he's pretty adamant about buying it as soon as we get paid on Friday. It's been a few days and I haven't talked to him, but that was a really cool experience.
robotzombie
Member
A couple questions:
1. Regarding chips, I'm guessing the ones with the black diamond next to the name just suggest that they are a really cheap to equip version of that chip?
2. Should I be combining the above mentioned chips with regular versions, or is that wasteful in some way? Should I be combining whenever I can, or is it better to have really cheap versions of things even if they are lower level?
3. Any suggestions on quality weapons to focus on leveling up?
1. Regarding chips, I'm guessing the ones with the black diamond next to the name just suggest that they are a really cheap to equip version of that chip?
2. Should I be combining the above mentioned chips with regular versions, or is that wasteful in some way? Should I be combining whenever I can, or is it better to have really cheap versions of things even if they are lower level?
3. Any suggestions on quality weapons to focus on leveling up?
Out of those, I only recognize Homura and she definitely isn't a Tsundere. The Tsuntsun part of Tsundere demands far more than just stand-offish behavior like 2B exhibits. The wiki description is like, only one half of the equation of makes a Tsundere, especially a cliche one. Their emotions surge and flare, they actually go and claim actively hating someone they like/love because they are generally unable to he honest about it even for a second, especially in public. They blush and become envious at a drop of a hat, often display even violent behavior in demonstrating their "hate."
So yeah, 2B ain't a Tsundere. And neither is Homura. If one were to give a japanese character archetype definition for 2B, it would definitely be Kuudere, as a few others have mentioned.
Yes, the black diamond indicates the most optimal version of that particular chip for that level, taking the least OS chip space. For +0 and +1 versions, you can fuse them either with identical ones or ones that cost one point more (so 5 for +0 and 6 for +1) and still get a diamond marked one as a result. For +2s and beyond, you'll want to fuse them only with other diamond marked ones. Anything else is a waste as you'll get sub-optimal results.
Diamond means they're the most equip efficient version of that chip.
You should combine them with other diamond chips for maximum efficiency.
Most weapons generally seem fairly equal. Honestly I just equipped what I thought looked best for each character. I liked Fang of Twins - pretty powerful weapon and easy to find very early on. Easy to get upgrade mats too.
Oh come on, they are even voiced by the same character and look exactly the same except one has pink hair...
Yeah they arent the same cause Shana is less violent, but being expy's of each other was the commonly associated wisdom at the time they were originally airing...its been a while
Gotcha. Reading about kuudere, it's definitely more appropriate to my original complaint. I didn't understand why people were arguing. Thanks for the correction.
Human Trashcan
Banned
I'm a few hours in and not really having any fun. I like the story stuff, but 90% of the time I feel like I'm running around or doing menial fetch quests in a really, really boring world. I just got one-shotted somewhere in the desert looking for a sidequest objective that isn't on my map for some reason (looking for Jean Paul's fangirl) and that was the first time I was introduced to this game's horribly punishing for no reason death mechanic.
I think if I keep doing the sidequests I'm gonna burn out hard, because I think they all suck. But I hate missing out on story stuff. So what do? How much do I miss if I stick to the main quest and ignore everything else? Will the game become too hard? I want to like this game at least enough to finish it for the story, but goddamn, I'm finding playing this game near-impossible to enjoy.
Don't reply to this with "git gud" or anything of the sort please.
I think if I keep doing the sidequests I'm gonna burn out hard, because I think they all suck. But I hate missing out on story stuff. So what do? How much do I miss if I stick to the main quest and ignore everything else? Will the game become too hard? I want to like this game at least enough to finish it for the story, but goddamn, I'm finding playing this game near-impossible to enjoy.
Don't reply to this with "git gud" or anything of the sort please.
Well, if we're just talking about them on a surface level, I guess they're the same.
Calling a character tsundere usually gets people up in arms since it's not a very liked archetype these days. I wouldn't trust any wiki in English about their interpreted definition of a character archetype in Japanese, anyway.
If you don't do sidequests you will end up under levelled.
The sidequests contain, arguably, some of the best content in the game.
Jean Paul's fangirl in the Desert Housing Complex is marked on the map.
Besides which, it just doesn't apply to 2B.
If your not connecting to the game on any level, you should just sell it. Watch the story on youtube
Sumio Mondo
Member
Just leave side quests until later since you unlock fast travel and unlock better chips to use as you go. You'll just gradually unlock more abilities and there's even a
chapter select later on into the game, meaning you never get locked out of any side quests.
ubersticky
Member
What do you do against
on Route B? Hacking does nothing really.
Gold enemies
I don't think that's it, i think it gets people mad cause the actual accusation from those who call a character by that name is in a negative feeling of dismissal. Those responding don't necessarily have to feel the archetype is bad.
I mean we could technically call characters like,
A2
Human Trashcan
Banned
I see it now but I have no idea how to get there. Is it past the area where I fought the boss which now contain death bots that one-shotted me?
Also the lack of a fast travel sucks. This world is just zero fun to traverse. I'm just constantly frustrated with this game.
I'll do this, thanks. Didn't know about the fast travel.
Que? It does massive damage on them. It might not one-shot them, but it will be easily the most effective way of killing them beside being horribly over-leveled.
If you approach the area from the direction of the bigger patch of desert, she just up the hill, directly opposite from the savepoint in the apartment complex area, far before that boss area. You don't need to go anywhere near there.
Hacking
all of my hate
Member
Finished Route B.
But at least I'm back as 2B!
NieR: LOL NO
Me:
But at least I'm back as 2B!
NieR: LOL NO
Me:
Huh? Hacking does massive damage to them. It's the only way to take them out really.
No it's
literally around the corner from the Terminal in the Housing Complex.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Set the game to Easy and just go from story mission to story mission.
I loved the sidequests and found them really satisfying, but it's dumb to force yourself to do something you don't enjoy at the expense of something you do enjoy.
Demoskinos
Member
Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of the Japanese Box art Where 2B is holding and unconscious 9S? Image searched google but haven't found anything big enough yet.
Join us in the spoiler thread!
meltingparappa
Member
I love that image.Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of the Japanese Box art Where 2B is holding and unconscious 9S? Image searched google but haven't found anything big enough yet.
It's like a Franzetta painting except with triumphant powerful women at the forefront.
Demoskinos
Member
Yeah, its a good flip on what you'd usually expect to see.
Flame Lord
Member
Good to know I'm not the only one who has had this happen, and that it's not my console or receiver.