NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread

The presentation is okay; but the way it was paced could have used some work. Maybe they could have written it from the perspective of A2 instead of Anemone and used it to pad out her chapters as recollections; with her and Anemone having more to say referencing it later, since it's assumed the player would then have the backstory as soon as they meet?

In general, I think the issue is more with how A2 was used than how the events of YoRHa were relayed.
 
I think the way she is used is fine, it's more her backstory and motivations?

It's in the game and what's there is good, it's just that it's probably better to present more explicitly.
 
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Liam has the best reaction to stuff in this game lmao.
 

Taro sells script weeks in advance of the actual concert, detailing that 9S didn't wake up, and then 2B just stopped out of grief.

Cue panic from the entire fanbase speculating if it's E or not or if he just destroyed the only happy ending he's ever made.

In the concert, 9S wakes straight after.

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Taro sells script weeks in advance of the actual concert, detailing that 9S didn't wake up, and then 2B just stopped out of grief.

Cue panic from the entire fanbase speculating if it's E or not or if he just destroyed the only happy ending he's ever made.

In the concert, 9S wakes straight after.

Xz6sVUu.jpg

What about best girl A2. Or am I forever doomed to have a question mark on her fate.
 
Taro sells script weeks in advance of the actual concert, detailing that 9S didn't wake up, and then 2B just stopped out of grief.

Cue panic from the entire fanbase speculating if it's E or not or if he just destroyed the only happy ending he's ever made.

In the concert, 9S wakes straight after.

Xz6sVUu.jpg
Doesn't he wake up after 2B shuts herself(just stops moving)? ie, the script wasn't a lie, just incomplete?!
 
I liked the post E ending without the 9S wake up :(

Doesn't he wake up after 2B shuts herself(just stops moving)? ie, the script isn't a lie, just incomplete?!

This, too. Shouldn't 2B be off?

I honestly don't think it's Taro trolling, it's something we are missing. Taro may be a troll in events but he doesn't troll with his stories.
 
Here's a transcript from someone. Dunno about their accuracy but it's the best we have for now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/comments/69dldw/spoilers_concert_self_report_tokyo_may_5th/dh5s3ua/

2B boots up
from a piece of machine lifeform tech 2B dug up from the ruins of the Tower the pods make a vaccine to access 9S's memory area and restore his personality data from there
they try inserting the vaccine
it doesn't work
they try several more times
it doesn't work
2B starts crying
Pod 042 proposes that 9S's personality data was destroyed by 9S himself or moved somewhere else
Pod 042: "Conjecture: judging from YoRHa unit A2's logs, probability of YoRHa unit 9S leaving on an alien Ark is high"
Pod 042 reports that 2B's systems are starting to shut down one by one
Pod 042: "Warning: abnormal activity detected in Black Box. Temperature rising"
Pod 042 strongly advises immediate maintenance
2B continues crying
Pod 153: "Warning: abnormal activity detected in Black Box. Temperature rising."
Pod 042: "The fact of abnormal activity in YoRHa unit 2B is already reported."
Pod 153: "Negative: abnormal activity detected in Black Box of YoRHa unit 9S."
Pod 042: "Negative: YoRHa unit 9S's personality data is already lost-"
sound of 9S booting up
2B: "N-nines..."
9S wakes up and recognizes 2B
2B repeats "I'm so glad, I'm so glad..."
Pods narrate that they don't understand what has happened. Probably some unknown alien technology in 9S's Black Box had his personality data restored.
Pods narrate that everything which is created will be destroyed some day and everything is trapped in a cycle of life and death
2B and 9S narrate that even if the world is full of curses, if the world punishes them, they will continue struggling on in this spiral while signing the words of prayer
weight of the world starts playing
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Taro sells script weeks in advance of the actual concert, detailing that 9S didn't wake up, and then 2B just stopped out of grief.

Cue panic from the entire fanbase speculating if it's E or not or if he just destroyed the only happy ending he's ever made.

In the concert, 9S wakes straight after.

Xz6sVUu.jpg
The absolute madman. God bless.
 
So who's the voice behind the picture book cutscenes? I'm assuming it's 9S.

And what does each one correlate to exactly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B13Zr47JjIQ&list=PL_v9Kdk8B7m1XY25HEneBTn_hw45g272a

So far I got:

Parenticide - The machines killing their alien creators
A Reason to Live - Adam's reason for living is hatred (Simone has beauty, Eve for older sibling(?), dunno who treasures family above all else)
In the Deep Sea - Grun's exile and isolation
Treasured Items - The machines each have their own things and values that are important to them
Spirit of Fire - Is the Machine Network is the "god"?
Together - Robot cult
The Kind King - The machines of the Forest Kingdom
Memories of War - spelled out for you

Really the bolded is the only thing I've been wondering about.
 
Then you have to ask, why are they mimicking us? What is it about us that is worth mimicking?

Like, you can boil down a lot of this game to "Why humans?" It's not asking if the androids and machines are humans, but instead why they mimic us instead, sometimes in incredibly clumsy ways. Why do they look at us to define a purpose?

I'll tell you why I care, it's because in their exploration of us they created communities, and in its most basic form they found a purpose through each other. That's why I was incredibly saddened to see the circus machines reduced to zombies, why it's sad to see the forest machines enraged about losing their king, and Pascal destroyed from losing the community he himself built up.

It's also why I'm saddened for the androids. I knew all too well what it meant to lose god. How I have to face my gradual loss of a guiding stone, the nights I spent wondering what my brief 80 or so years amounts to in a universe that will span infinitely more. Look at how many societies around the world formed around religion to find a purpose for themselves in life. If you lose that guiding stone that tells you about what your life's meaning is, how would you deal with the loss? Or is it simply better to follow a lie blindly? Then why keep fighting in the name of a lie? Is that sense of purpose worth the bloodshed? Even now we have people fighting in the name of god, and the game asks us how truly senseless it is. The android's desperation for a god, to the point of being willing to sacrifice hundreds if not thousands to perpetuate a lie and a holy war where they can mindlessly kill and die because it's a purpose that exist as long as that lie is still believed, is truly sad to me.

It's the reason why it's sad to see 9S go on a rampage once he loses his only emotional anchor he has in his life, 2B. Why I care that 2B could only be near to the person she loves by having to forcibly erase him continuously, and why I care that 9S subconsciously allowed it because it's the only way he can break away from his own feelings of isolation, while his resentment slowly builds to a breaking point too. 2 androids that need each other to the point of desperation, and they are willing to bear the hurt for their brief moments of bliss without having to consider their horrifying circumstances. They found something they can cling on to this world other than a god they know doesn't exist. I care deeply because I'm a sucker for such tragedies.

And it's why I care about how Ending E ended the way it did. Why I care about the messages encouraging us not to give up even though for the past few hours we've been asked repeatedly if there really is a purpose to this world. Why I care that there are people willing to sacrifice everything (for the game anyway :P) in order for us to create this sense of community of just wanting to see a goddamn happy ending in a yoko taro game, because we truly value the need to link for a common cause.

It asks us "Why humanity?" and in the end it tells us that we don't need an answer, but really, while we may not have a god or a true purpose, we do it anyway because we still define ourselves by the need to to connect to people surrounding us, that it is ultimately up to us to find our own true purpose, and that might just be all the answers that we need. Because we as humans really do try to cling onto dogmas with a predefined purpose instead of searching ourselves. We really do.

All of these is laid out pretty well for me by the game.

Well stated man. Want to make sure you get credit for this post.

I understand what you are saying...I do...And really the game does as us to contemplate what "life" actually is. I mean...please...2B? really? Its not code for 2E...its a play on Hamlet's "To Be or Not to Be" soliloquy

To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause. There's the respect
that makes Calamity of so long life:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
the Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely, [F: poor]
the pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay, [F: disprized]
the insolence of Office, and the spurns
that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
when he himself might his Quietus make
with a bare Bodkin? Who would Fardels bear, [F: these Fardels]
to grunt and sweat under a weary life,
but that the dread of something after death,
the undiscovered country, from whose bourn
no traveller returns, puzzles the will,
and makes us rather bear those ills we have,
than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
and thus the native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment, [F: pith]
with this regard their Currents turn awry, [F: away]
And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
Be all my sins remember'd
-Hamlet
 
So who's the voice behind the picture book cutscenes? I'm assuming it's 9S.

And what does each one correlate to exactly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B13Zr47JjIQ&list=PL_v9Kdk8B7m1XY25HEneBTn_hw45g272a

So far I got:

Parenticide - The machines killing their alien creators
A Reason to Live - Adam's reason for living is hatred (Simone has beauty, Eve for older sibling(?), dunno who treasures family above all else)
In the Deep Sea - Grun's exile and isolation
Treasured Items - The machines each have their own things and values that are important to them
Spirit of Fire - Is the Machine Network is the "god"?
Together - Robot cult
The Kind King - The machines of the Forest Kingdom
Memories of War - spelled out for you

Really the bolded is the only thing I've been wondering about.

My interpretation was that the voice was 9S during ending D.

The god is Beepy from Nier. It's a reference to the short story "Fire of Prometheus".
 
Got D and E. Fought through the credits and, well,...


Yeah, the game DID warn me they would erase my data if I chose to help others. I thought I was calling their bluff and POOF hahahahahaha

Oh fuck me. So good.

Not a biggie, found back up save I had for C at second research tower
 
Taro sells script weeks in advance of the actual concert, detailing that 9S didn't wake up, and then 2B just stopped out of grief.

Cue panic from the entire fanbase speculating if it's E or not or if he just destroyed the only happy ending he's ever made.

In the concert, 9S wakes straight after.

Xz6sVUu.jpg

He played us all like chumps.

...

I'd expect nothing less from this man.
 
This may well be one of the best games ve ever played. I'm still in shock hahahab

Haha, same.

Got D and E. Fought through the credits and, well,...

Yeah, the game DID warn me they would erase my data if I chose to help others. I thought I was calling their bluff and POOF hahahahahaha

Oh fuck me. So good.

As soon as Pod 042 asked me, I quickly googled to make sure it was real or not. Declined the first time around, deleted it later, now I'm almost done my 2nd playthrough.

I'm surprised people thought he'd joke around, seeing as you have to yes like 4 times, and they even go out of your way to say you'll lose stuff like Chapter Select lol

But I get it, Yoko Taro is a fucking troll, so it's hard to really be sure lmao

My interpretation was that the voice was 9S during ending D.

The god is Beepy from Nier. It's a reference to the short story "Fire of Prometheus".

Oh true
 
I don't have any money yet but I have to ask, dlc have any story or is it pure gameplay? I'll buy it either way but if it has story I might have to sell a kidney to get it earlier.
 
Some cool tidbits here and there from what I've heard, but not something to prioritise over everything else if you don't have money.

Well stated man. Want to make sure you get credit for this post.

I understand what you are saying...I do...And really the game does as us to contemplate what "life" actually is. I mean...please...2B? really? Its not code for 2E...its a play on Hamlet's "To Be or Not to Be" soliloquy


-Hamlet

Oh for sure, I picked it up when I first saw the name and thought "a bit on the nose, eh, taro?" :P
 
Hello, spoiler thread - I am finally one of you now.


So, I've been mulling over my thoughts for several hours since I finished it, but here's what's come to mind since then.

  • This is, without a doubt in mind, the best modern JRPG I've played in nearly a decade. I understand that this statement is totally relative to my own gaming experiences (most of my experience with the genre come from games that aren't released any further than 2009), but it is what it is for me. It just does so many great things story and gameplay-wise that make it stand out above the rest — and it does them all inherently as a game. It uses the medium to its true potential in terms of trying to convey a personal or artistic message. Shit, I want to make a long-post thread doing a play by play as to why this is so, but kinda don't because I know Clemps is just gonna go into it in more detail anyway. What's funny is that I bear this sentiment despite the fact that...
  • Much of the writing - characters, cutscenes and so forth - are cheesy Kojima-tier material that never really got an extreme emotional response from me. Yet it still maintains a a very admirable sense of taste in presenting its messages and not go full-stupid when it came to satirizing common video game tropes. More importantly, it is just so damn refreshing to see the kind of topics it deals with as a game that's actually organically compelling and not hamfisted like with most others. Sure, as I said, didn't emotionally resonate in a hard way, but throughout, I was mentally/respectfully golfclapping at all of its attempts in doing so. Seriously, the 2b/9s stuff is tragic as shit when you start putting the bits and pieces together and goddamn at endgame Pascal stuff.
  • I loved the Nier 1 callbacks, which is strange since I never played the first one. Gotta credit GAF and the various YouTube people that helped filling in a lot of the gaps in a super thorough fashion. The work that goes into this strange as hell canon is an impressive feat in itself (even though some of it doesn't make any sense no matter how you spin it, but that's Taro for you). I listened to Song of the Ancients before and only became aware that it was a track featured in the previous game's soundtrack as well, so the Popola/Devola defense maneuver and short story was good stuff when it happened. But seriously, someone needs to mercy kill Emil(s) at this point. Kid's life has been screwed eight ways til Sunday.
  • I really reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly like Weight of the World, but now I am ironically fed up with it even after the damn magnificent use of the song for Ending E. What a great moment that was, but now I need to bleach this song from my brain and wait a week before listening to it again.
 
Hello, spoiler thread - I am finally one of you now.


So, I've been mulling over my thoughts for several hours since I finished it, but here's what's come to mind since then.

  • This is, without a doubt in mind, the best modern JRPG I've played in nearly a decade. I understand that this statement is totally relative to my own gaming experiences (most of my experience with the genre come from games that aren't released any further than 2009), but it is what it is for me. It just does so many great things story and gameplay-wise that make it stand out above the rest — and it does them all inherently as a game. It uses the medium to its true potential in terms of trying to convey a personal or artistic message. Shit, I want to make a long-post thread doing a play by play as to why this is so, but kinda don't because I know Clemps is just gonna go into it in more detail anyway. What's funny is that I bear this sentiment despite the fact that...
  • Much of the writing - characters, cutscenes and so forth - are cheesy Kojima-tier material that never really got an extreme emotional response from me. Yet it still maintains a a very admirable sense of taste in presenting its messages and not go full-stupid when it came to satirizing common video game tropes. More importantly, it is just so damn refreshing to see the kind of topics it deals with as a game that's actually organically compelling and not hamfisted like with most others. Sure, as I said, didn't emotionally resonate in a hard way, but throughout, I was mentally/respectfully golfclapping at all of its attempts in doing so. Seriously, the 2b/9s stuff is tragic as shit when you start putting the bits and pieces together and goddamn at endgame Pascal stuff.
  • I loved the Nier 1 callbacks, which is strange since I never played the first one. Gotta credit GAF and the various YouTube people that helped filling in a lot of the gaps in a super thorough fashion. The work that goes into this strange as hell canon is an impressive feat in itself (even though some of it doesn't make any sense no matter how you spin it, but that's Taro for you). I listened to Song of the Ancients before and only became aware that it was a track featured in the previous game's soundtrack as well, so the Popola/Devola defense maneuver and short story was good stuff when it happened. But seriously, someone needs to mercy kill Emil(s) at this point. Kid's life has been screwed eight ways til Sunday.
  • I really reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly like Weight of the World, but now I am ironically fed up with it even after the damn magnificent use of the song for Ending E. What a great moment that was, but now I need to bleach this song from my brain and wait a week before listening to it again.
One of Emil's defining traits is how he's able to pick himself up tragedy after tragedy and stay positive. In that way, he's one of the strongest and most mature characters in the series despite being so outwardly goofy and childish.

It's not until some douchebag robutt rolls up and yoinks his personal belongings, beats the shit out of him for no reason, then wears his heads like boxing gloves that he finally snaps and needs to be put down.
 
Is it just me that loves the theme of duality in this game? Devola + Papola, 2B +9S, Robot + Androids, Adam + Eve, ect . I mean the main plot point is that the Androids and Robots need each other to evolve and survive, I just like how the idea of duality is shown throughout the game and it doesn't come off as cheesy.
 
Haha, same.



As soon as Pod 042 asked me, I quickly googled to make sure it was real or not. Declined the first time around, deleted it later, now I'm almost done my 2nd playthrough.

I'm surprised people thought he'd joke around, seeing as you have to yes like 4 times, and they even go out of your way to say you'll lose stuff like Chapter Select lol

But I get it, Yoko Taro is a fucking troll, so it's hard to really be sure lmao



Oh true

Thanks for all your help in the OT thread. You and the regulars there have been great. :)
 
Will hopefully start the DLC today. How do you access it? The three elevators with apologetic robots? Do you have to chapter select to a specific point? Use specific characters?
 
Will hopefully start the DLC today. How do you access it? The three elevators with apologetic robots? Do you have to chapter select to a specific point? Use specific characters?

You'll receive a mail in your inbox and then you'll have access to it through the elevators, so you need to be able to reach the forest, the desert and the shore. You don't need to use any specific characters, unless it is requested to do so.
 
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