Well she does start treating him like a child at the beginning of Route C, but I saw it as her acting like a mother not a sister. But I guess both could work. I'll go with Mommy 21O.
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Well she does start treating him like a child at the beginning of Route C, but I saw it as her acting like a mother not a sister. But I guess both could work. I'll go with Mommy 21O.
Astrael
Member
It's just heavily implied. The way she talks during her quest and the way she starts treating 9S during the start of Route C is exactly like treating him like a little kid brother. Of course, that's my interpretation, it might be anything. She even switched to a B model (21B technically) during the big operation most likely to try to protect him.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but anyway...
After reflecting on this game for a while,I've come away with the conclusion that this game is at its best on Route A.
The game absolutely captivated me with its slow unraveling of the machines. The way machines were used to reflect random aspects of human behavior was nothing short of brilliant to me.
At once,it managed to be very weird and quirky while exposing how ridiculous human behavior may look from a bird's eye view.It was subtle,funny and morbid all the same.
Route B and C are good ,but more conventional JRPG fare and not too outstanding/earth shattering(though obviously still in the top echelon of what JRPGs can muster)
I do feel the repetitive hacking,reuse of locations and 9S's misguided revenge arc drag this down a bit.
Still,this is obviously a great game.
After reflecting on this game for a while,I've come away with the conclusion that this game is at its best on Route A.
The game absolutely captivated me with its slow unraveling of the machines. The way machines were used to reflect random aspects of human behavior was nothing short of brilliant to me.
At once,it managed to be very weird and quirky while exposing how ridiculous human behavior may look from a bird's eye view.It was subtle,funny and morbid all the same.
Route B and C are good ,but more conventional JRPG fare and not too outstanding/earth shattering(though obviously still in the top echelon of what JRPGs can muster)
I do feel the repetitive hacking,reuse of locations and 9S's misguided revenge arc drag this down a bit.
Still,this is obviously a great game.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Oh I guess, I interpreted that as her treating him kinder because she knew shit was going down.
I do feel the repetitive hacking,reuse of locations and 9S's misguided revenge arc drag this down a bit.
Eh, I don't think it's misguided really, it's literally the only thing affirming his existence once he knew god is dead.
To me the story was more about how beings survive when their purpose is suddenly yanked away. Once they no longer have a god worth dying for, if you will.
I thought the 210 stuff at the beginning of C was because she was infected. It was creepy and unsettling to me. That was my interpretation at least.
Did you try loading 17:1 talking to him and buying something walking out into the desert area until Emil disappears from your minimap then warping to the resistance camp and then saving then loading until his route is proper?yeah just tried that, bought things from him in 17-1, saved and reloaded over and over, he's still just at the same spot
If you still can't get it I'll see if I can record a short video and post it on YouTube
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I think they want to attack you but literally can't lol. Their eyes were glowing red.
The most tortured beings in all of nier.
Astrael
Member
At first that's actually what I thought, too, it was a little creepy (9S was creeped out too). But sometime after she runs her last job as Operator for 9S's hacking mission she switches to a B model and comes down to Earth to fight alongside the other YoRHa soldiers, so she was definitely thinking with 9S's welfare in mind. She even makes a joke about having a surprise in her room if you finish hacking things and sure enough, when you're trying to escape the Bunker during the logic virus outbreak, if you go in her room there's a stock of items waiting for you.
9S wanting to kill A2 was definitely misguided.
She didn't kill 2B for any reason other than to grant her dying wish.
It was a bit annoying to follow ,and he unlearns everything he knew about the machines to follow through with a pointless revenge plan.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean, does he? He knows the logic virus was why 2B had to die, and it might not seem rational but he saw A2 murk his only anchor to the current world.
That's the whole thing. It's pointless. He knows it. He acknowledges it in game. He's been literally a puppet of a pointless plan in order to give pointless hope to the android's pointless war against the machines where they cannot lose. It's pretty much about how we implant pointless thoughts in order to justify a pointless existence.
But is it truly pointless in the end? Does our existence really need answers, other than that we want to exist?
Exentryk
Member
He didn't know that. From what he saw, A2 just killed 2B.
Labolas
Member
Yup, he just the last thing that kept him sane and have any humanity left get killed right in front of him.
There are so many great moments in this game. I really love the machine lifeforms that fill up the world.
Wow. This game... So many little details.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I am gonna get royally crucified for this ,but it reminded me of Hope wanting to Kill snow in XIII-1.
Doesn't help that 9S looks and sounds prepubescent (and has white hair)
I know its not fair ,and kind of a subjective thing on my part.Not the biggest 9S fan.
There are so many great moments in this game. I really love the machine lifeforms that fill up the world.
It's amazing how this same guy later asks you to kill other animals, lol, and the party remarks on this as well. Little things!
See,I am right.
Moments like this are the best to me.Mostly Route A.Best Route!
Exentryk
Member
I did get that anime-ish "I'm turning super saiyan from all this rage and I will kill you" effect from that scene, esp coz 9S is that young age, but the context of the situation is fine. I actually laughed out at this scene, because one moment he is all angry, and a second later he is falling down coz the bridge collapsed, lol. It was just oddly funny.
I personally would have liked 9S to be a bit older, but that's a different issue.
Exentryk
Member
Some androids did. After the humans went extinct, androids needed a way to keep the morale up among all other androids, and that's why they formulated Project Yorha.
"My neck hurts" seems relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYA41ahQDfw
Basically, here is what happened as I understand it.
Machines given directive by the aliens to fight the humans/androids/whatever.
After aliens die, machines need to still complete their directive. To fulfill the directive, they intentionally keep a status quo - the machines intentionally soften up etc. so basically the android side could never possibly truly 'lose.' They also installed a backdoor into YoRHa to keep an eye on things.
Basically, the machines are truly in control, but YoRHa was started by androids.
Oh, I must have missed that. I wonder what I misunderstood then, I thought the Red Girl told me explicitly that the machines put it in. Maybe I was tired and am remembering it wrong.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Superficially, she's a callback to other characters in the franchise, with Manah from Drakengard 1 being the most prominent.
It's unclear if there's more to it than that for now.
Exentryk
Member
"- Having acquired information regarding humanity, the network's structure changed once more, becoming what might better be called a meta network (or a "concept", to borrow the words of the machines). This led directly to the formation of the ego we identify as N2."
N2 is Red Girl. The form could just be whatever was left in the human memory traces that the network absorbed. Don't know if her look has some easter egg meaning.
Astrael
Member
This is as far as I've gathered:
Since Commander didn't know of the SS-level top secret information, It was probably a group of random high-level Resistance androids that knew Commander (White) beforehand, since she would have to trust them for a plan this crazy, in their effort to motivate androids to keep fighting the machines. They'd also have to be the ones that programmed the Pods with SS-level code to delete the YoRHa data after the conclusion of the project (Ending E), as they'd be the last surviving witnesses of YoRHa through this plan.
The backdoor to scuttle the plan was installed by these same androids because if YoRHa wins the war, then the lie of humanity's survival would be exposed and the androids would lose the will to live again.
My guess is that whoever manufactures the Pods is the group responsible, since it'd be likely that all Pods, or at least Pods given to YoRHa, were installed with this low-level YoRHa deletion code. It's just Pod 042 and 153 that survive to the end. Not that you see a lot of other YoRHa with Pods, interestingly. They're probably pretty expensive and only given to "the best".
I half-expected the terminal to say "We saw that it was a popular trope in the past to make use of creepy twins, so we decided to embody this form in order to increase the chances of unsettling you."
Ko-Shi and Ro-Shi are Chinese philosophers Confuscius and Laozi pronounced in Japanese. All major machine life form characters and bosses are named after philosophers and thinkers - a very nice touch by Taro.
Suzushiiro
Banned
There are so many great moments in this game. I really love the machine lifeforms that fill up the world.
It's amazing how this same guy later asks you to kill other animals, lol, and the party remarks on this as well. Little things!
When I did this quest I had scraped another player off the floor to help me with fights and their character just kept attacking the pig during that dialogue. Was a little worried they'd fuck over the quest for me by killing it.
montycliff13
Member
Just went back to the village as 9S after deciding to wipe Pascal's memory as A2.
Someone.... hold me.... D: *ugly crying*
Someone.... hold me.... D: *ugly crying*
mullet2000
Member
Just beat the game tonight and I've got a question. The whole "2B is an E unit that's been killing 9S over and over" really went over my head and I only fully grasped it after reading about people talking about it.
How exactly does that work? In the game itself, we don't really see her doing this, with the only two killings being the black box in the intro, and the choke out at the end of A/B.
When were these killings occurring and what context do we really have for them in the game? Were they literally "9S found out to much, so 2B stone-cold fucking kills him" killings? Why not just not use 9S models at all rather than go through that whole escort-killing process?
I think I need the plot point laid out for me.
How exactly does that work? In the game itself, we don't really see her doing this, with the only two killings being the black box in the intro, and the choke out at the end of A/B.
When were these killings occurring and what context do we really have for them in the game? Were they literally "9S found out to much, so 2B stone-cold fucking kills him" killings? Why not just not use 9S models at all rather than go through that whole escort-killing process?
I think I need the plot point laid out for me.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Pod-042: "You do not always need all the answers."
Some androids did. They make new ones. They're not evil, or particularly strategic. They had a plan and, in a hyper-logical way, it makes sense.
Fun note: Pascal is selling you the parts he is scrapping for reasons he does not fully understand. He also sells you the cores of the children which have no purpose in the game besides selling, and they can be sold for a profit (the only thing that can).
You're literally profiting off children's souls.
YoRHa needs androids that can hack the enemies for missions etc. Any unit advanced enough to be able to do that will ultimately always found out the truth about humanity, because they're just that good. They can't scrap the model altogether because they need it for war. So their solution is they pair it up with a 2E model that puts them down whenever they get close to the truth or even when it's just convenient. At the start of the game 2B has already killed 9S many times before, we just don't know it and we naturally assume it's their first time they've been paired together.
There's lots of little hints about 2B's real purpose throughout the game. There was a good image someone posted here before pointing a lot of them out. The short of it is that she actually cared for 9S but never could show it because he's always just going to get reset. It's why she tries to keep it purely professional and minimal emotions.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It's also interesting because 9S is struggling with whether or not to tell 2B the truth before the mission in Route C.
If he had told her, she would have had to kill him, but there was no time to have that conversation.
I'm actually torn on whether she would have or not. I consider the ending of A/B to be her breaking point. At the very least I doubt she would have put him down before the war started.
mullet2000
Member
I had to sell the cores so I could have enough money to buy the last trophy before deleting my save file...
Despite it not really mattering since I was getting ready to delete it all, that was undoubtedly one of the most fucked up things I ever did in a game, up there with the nuke from Fallout 3, and Undertale's Genocide route.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yeah, the need to kill 9S at the ending of A/B is imperative. It gets me thinking about what the Commander thought was going to happen. She let 9S read the reports and didn't see the need to have him killed right that second.
To some extent, I wonder if the Commander knew this was going to be their last rodeo and decided the 9S kill order no longer mattered.
Nah, it was more like she knew 9S would tell 2B first, which would then activate her kill protocol. It was only because he didn't had the time to tell her that he survived.
montycliff13
Member
This was the dang moment. A freakin shop inventory made me tear up, gg Taro.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Where's the best place to find cute, SFW Automata art?
Pixiv is full of butts.
Pixiv is full of butts.
Exentryk
Member
Aw, isn't that the cutest?!