Sapphire Dreams
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Ninja Gaiden 2+ |OT| The Feel of Ninja Gaiden 2
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Unless they pull a Sigma+ on those, they aren't really going to be worth it. Just purely cosmetic and frankly so long as the Doppleganger skin and NG outfit skins are in, those are > your favs.
If Six-Axis can't be turned off, Team Ninja Dog hasn't learned from Sigma +. By far the worst "addition" to that port besides the 30FPS downgrade.
I got used to both, so as long as it's not somehow worse, I think I'll be fine. :b
Yup, Σ Plus ran at 30fps (and sometimes lower on higher difficulties).
DR2K
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I want them anyways, I found those skins to be quite hot.
That sounds like a waste in bothering to create extra characters with their own tools and stuff.
The concept of dismemberment is fine with me, I just hated how the limbs stuck around and ate up all the framerate in the original version. I know they fixed that problem in Sigma 2 on PS3 by making them disappear, but how is it handled in this one?
bumpkin
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I gave Ninja Gaiden Σ+ a whirl via the PS+ freebie promotion and played it quite a bit; just beat it last night as a matter of fact. There were bits and pieces that ticked me off and grated the nerves
, but overall it was pretty enjoyable. I wouldn't have felt slighted or disappointed had it been a retail game I'd bought. I just wish there was a good way to back up my save file so I could delete it from my memory card to free up space.
At any rate, I'm at least a little interested in 2 with my experience playing through 1. I didn't mind the demo of vanilla NG2 on the 360 I played a long time ago, and this sounds like it's that and more (in terms of extra content).
like the ghost piranha in the ruins and the platforming bit at the end
At any rate, I'm at least a little interested in 2 with my experience playing through 1. I didn't mind the demo of vanilla NG2 on the 360 I played a long time ago, and this sounds like it's that and more (in terms of extra content).
Cloud save via the Content Manager on the Vita - then you can delete the game...
EDIT - Or Content Manager via a PC and back it up that way....
Diablo Rosso
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PS+ cloud storage?
Honestly, I don't like graphically violent games.
Likely the same as Sigma 2.
Footage (and images like in the OP) have shown limbs rolling everywhere after being cut off, but I doubt they persist for long.
As Zampano has stated, the dismemberment mechanic is a core part of the gameplay. You may want to consider waiting to see if there is an option to at least turn on the purple mist censoring, or think about purchasing Σ2 if you have a PS3 and want to experience a less violent Ninja Gaiden.
Emphasis on the less. Ninja Gaiden has and likely always will focus on violence. If watching the trailers turns you off, then this probably isn't the game for you.
It is the blood and gore. It has been awhile, but I thought in NGB you could turn it off. I don't have problem occasionally playing a violent game. It is the gore that I don't like. For example I think DMC and Onimusha are acceptably violent games, but not gory or graphically violent.
If NG2 is all about the gore then it isn't the game for me. Thanks for the insight.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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NGB was less gory. But only due to technical reasons. Still there is blood and beheading. NG2 is designed around dismemberment. And that was also the problem with sigma 2. It tried to cut the massive amount of enemies present in vanilla to be more like ngb.
In exchange they beefed up the hp of enemies like the black spider clan. But because of the dismemberment the game was really easy. So Sigma 2 felt like a bastard child between ngb and ng2.
Don't want to start another discussion whether vanilla or sigma is better, though.
In exchange they beefed up the hp of enemies like the black spider clan. But because of the dismemberment the game was really easy. So Sigma 2 felt like a bastard child between ngb and ng2.
Don't want to start another discussion whether vanilla or sigma is better, though.
flaxknuckles
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I still haven't even beaten the first one. I'm stuck on the part right after Rachel's chapter where you have to fight 2 bikers. The guillotine throw is crazy difficult to pull off on a Vita.
Yeah, you should definitely try out the PS3 version of NGΣ2 if there's no option to turn off the gore in NGΣ2+. It still has dismemberment, but isn't gory at all. I too dislike games that are overly violent, so I found NGΣ2 to be very enjoyable.
Hopefully there's an option to turn off all the red stuff in the PS3/360 version of NG3RE as well...
It's not like there's really much else to discuss at the moment. :b
Except stuff that hasn't been confirmed yet. I still have no idea how much carried over from Σ2, assuming blood wasn't the only major change.
So far, the worst case scenario is:
-30fps.
-No online functions.
-No Japanese voice option.
-No co-op (Team Mission mode).
-Forced gyro aiming for the Fiend's Bane Bow/Howling Cannon.
-No "blood toggle".
-Neutered chapters (like the infamous Chapter 14) remain neutered.
-Incendiary and Windmill Shuriken still left out.
-Unchanged Team Missions (simply renamed to Tag Missions).
-Unchanged/barely changed trophy list from Σ2.
-New costumes are DLC instead of unlockables.
And most of that is looking likely imo.
Oh I know. And I agree with him - the last thing anyone wants is for this to turn into another NG2 vs Σ2 debate thread.
Right? :b
Can't believe I missed this post, but I have to say that I honestly don't know, and it's not looking likely that there is. The Accessories system was ridiculed by fans because the right combination of items effectively broke the game (OHKO Flying Swallows on Master Ninja, for example).
Not that anyone REALLY cared since there were no leaderboards.
No media shown thus far has mentioned anything about a similar system being implemented, so I'd say that you shouldn't get your hopes up.
IIRC they even patched that out of NG2.
So nope.
And even if they did something similar, it would be horrible on Vita since the engine drops the framerate instead of the action.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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I would really love Vanilla Ninja Gaiden 2 with better visuals and the fixed bow controls of Sigma 2. The game would be a huge step up. Finish the water combat Itagaki intented to give a bigger part, or cut it out completely.
It feels like Hayashi just adds new costumes and is not really into the gameplay at all or passionated about it. There is so much to polish in ng2.
It feels like Hayashi just adds new costumes and is not really into the gameplay at all or passionated about it. There is so much to polish in ng2.
How do you figure? All of the screens and videos shown so far (with the initial batch of
If there is any information to the contrary, I'll gladly update the OP.
Agreed with the bolded. NGΣ2 took a step back for every step it took forward imo, ensuring that there would be no "definitive" version. And with Team NINJA being the way they are now, I feel that an updated version of NG2 is out of the question.
That's also why this port is interesting, because it gives Team NINJA a chance to correct some of the missteps they took with Σ2.
Maybe this time, Hayashi will take that chance. Maybe he won't (which is very likely).
He did claim that there would be numerous "hardcore" changes in a PS Blog interview. If they added the blood back, who knows what else they might have changed?
Compare the NGS+ screens to these ones on the Vita itself,I'm guessing ofc.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Yeah,
that's what I hope for. While I understand this is just a portable Sigma2 with many disadvantages like downscaled graphics and probably 30fps, it would be nice if they'd fix some of the obvious wrong decisions they made.
SkylineRKR
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In my opinion, vanilla NG2 with some more polish and appropriate fixes (performance, balance, off screen projectiles) would be the best game in the genre ever. The core gameplay, challenge and enemy AI of NG2 kills everything even Platinum Games puts out. It was just that good and satisfying.
rockman zx
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Someting really weird if you take into account that he was one of the guys in charge of Enemy AI and Battle Design in the first Ninja Gaiden. I think he it's not like Itagaki, Itagaki was on charge of the studio and also directing the games or involved with the gameplay mechanics, Hayashi looks to me like he it's managing the studio and doing paper work, but probably he is not the kind of guy who gets dirty anymore now that he is the "boss".
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Famitsu score:
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus (PS Vita, Koei Tecmo): 8 / 8 / 9 / 8 - (33/40)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus (PS Vita, Koei Tecmo): 8 / 8 / 9 / 8 - (33/40)
I've been wondering this too - maybe NG3:RE, with the re-inclusion of the Scarabs and Tests of Valor, have made their way back into the game?
The other thing that I've been wondering about is the bow control locked to the touchscreen - maybe IS and WS have been re-added as well?
The lack of proper info for this title this close to launch is really odd - if the first one sold as well as Team Ninja Dog claims it did, why wouldn't they over hype this version through the roof (outside of the fact that this is a port of a port of course)?
Does anyone have a translation of what they said about the game other then the review score?
Minus the terrible forced gyro aiming with the bow controls, NGS+ is exactly like NGS on the PS3 @ 30fps (if you care about that kind of stuff). The IQ is worth it alone for a free download.
Be quick if you do get it however as NGS+ on the Vita is gone next Tuesday from the PS+ rotation.
Be quick if you do get it however as NGS+ on the Vita is gone next Tuesday from the PS+ rotation.
I did that yesterday. The first game I got for the Vita was NGS+ and I thought to myself "man NGS2 would be fuckin awesome on the go"......and sure enough next Tuesday that thought becomes realized.
I'm guessing we are going to get Sigma 3 (Razor's Edge) on the Vita by the Holidays this year....
Yeah, the screens look great on the Vita but even then, you can tell they're subnative by looking at the HUD in comparison to the 3D graphics.
Not too bad.
Day 0 for portable Kasumi.
Hopefully they'll address the targeting issues and/or encounter balance on higher difficulties.
Right there with ya. My biggest concern is the recovery time/animations - on the higher settings Ryu recovers much MUCH slower then the AI and it makes playing the game more frustrating then it should be. There are balance issues as well but it's always been the recovery time that has been a sticking point about NG3/NG3RE that really irritates me.
That does explain some of the issues I've been having. The enemies that give me the most trouble currently are those Mechanized Chimera that flying swallow away from your attacks. @_@
Also, anyone think I should add a Hayashi Avatar section?
You know you want it.
I'd be down for it LOL - mind you I'd really like a Team Ninja Dog avatar...