Such a shame that this generation didn't get a genre defining DMC title, last gen had two ;_;
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Such a shame that this generation didn't get a genre defining DMC title, last gen had two ;_;
lowhighkang_LHK
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DMC4 was pretty boss still. It just got stupid at the end with the backtracking and the content reuse. But the actual combat was fantastic and there was a lot of underlying depth with a lot of things. Dante was great. Instant style changing, instant weapon changing, mother fucker literally made the controller explode there was so much insta-changing.
Nero also did a good job of allowing n00bs to enjoy "the Devil Bringerzz" while having a the traditional free form combat to allow for some creative stuff.
DMC4 could have been better, but for a lot of reasons I was content with it as a sequal. And to this day it still looks great @ 60 fps:
Hm, I miss the anime douchy design. It just works in the actual game. Oh well, I still have hopes for DmC.
As for Ninja Gaiden the franchise needs to take a rest. Or Team Ninja will end up giving it to "a western studio" or some shit.
TacticalFox88
Banned
yeah, i'm pretty bored with this game...maybe I'll finish it when there's a game drought or something.
also, I picked up NG2 360, which is suddenly much more fun than before haha. I have to start over on Warrior, but i'll do a dragon sword run for that whopping 5G achievement. glad there's cloud saving on Xbox now.
also, the white version of the Mumra costume might be my favorite NG costume:
(looks great in game)
Good lord, FUCK NO, say what you will about Hayashi, but his costumes are far better than Itagaki's. Fiend Ryu in any shape or form is pretty fucking ugly.
Seraphinianus
Banned
lol I bought NGS thanks to this thread
What? Fiend Ryu looks really badass, but I also liked the Sigma 2 White Ryu outfit...
And I'm laughing at the people defending this game and especially it's story. I saw that someone earlier called the people who criticize it Itagachists?
On the final day. Story is ridiculous. The whole sword thing reminded me of Devil May Cry 4 and Vergil's Yamato. Then there's the CANNA!!!!!!!!!! I COULDN'T SAVE HER!!!!!!! that reminded me of Nero's whining over Kyrie, plus the end goal of summoning a God using a human reminded me of Bayonetta's end-game.
And the fucking retard in charge of this shit studio had the audacity to call Bayonetta outdated? Fuck off Hayashi, Bayonetta destroys Ninja Gaiden 3 in every single way.
And the fucking retard in charge of this shit studio had the audacity to call Bayonetta outdated? Fuck off Hayashi, Bayonetta destroys Ninja Gaiden 3 in every single way.
NGS was a great port because at it's core it's still exactly the same game. They didn't remove anything really, just added to it. Some of the additions were questionable, but a lot of them were great and things they improved for NG2 as well. NGS2 is where Hayashi got bolder and started messing around with the game on a more fundamental level. You could argue that the game needed it, but he went a bit too far. His obsession with streamlining and paring down became evident.
NG is now in the company of Silent Hill, FEAR, Sonic the hedgehog, etc of series which totally went off the rails with the creators' departure and I don't think it will ever fully recover. It's probably best just to move on.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I think that is the saddest thing to come out of all of this.
Hayashi actually believes this is what people want in the west.
It would of been better for him to say he just wanted to step out of Itagaki's shadow and go his own direction.
For me, he was unresponsive maybe 5% of the time. I played on normal, maybe you played on hard that had more going on?
Also, this is the third time an action game has ended with a
giant statue boss that is a godlike diety whose purpose is to reshape the world. DMC4 had the Savior, Bayonetta had Jubileus, and now NG3 has the Goddess
What was up with the whole sword thing anyway.
First the Dragon Sword is broken in London, and somehow Ayane and Hayate both hear about this within 24 hours in Japan("Word travels fast"), then somehow know to travel to the Rub'al Kali desert to give Ryu the Jinran-Maru. BTW, Ryu was going there with neither sword nor bow. What was he planning to do, kill everyone with Shuriken? So then after a while he just gets tried of the Jinran-Maru for no real reason and goes to japan to get Genshin's sword. With his respectful attitude towards his fallen enemy, I guess he likes to honor his memory by slaughtering his countrymen. Because I'm sure Genshin would be thrilled about that. Then later on he has a dream about Genshin and that makes the Blade of the Archfiend like 3 times stronger for some reason. But then, despite the significance of this sword being emphasized in the game, it gets destroyed at the end and no one cares.
I don't care much for NG2's costumes (Fiend Ryu looks the best, but he has that stupid demon face codpiece for some reason), but NGB had the best costumes.
http://faqsmedia.ign.com/faqs/image/ninjagaiden_costume.jpg
I especially like Ryuken.
iconoclast
Member
I just figured out that when the Y button pops up during a steel on bone, you can ignore it and keep mashing X. And if you kill an enemy with X during a steel on bone, it allows you to keep chaining. So the slide -> steel on bone combo is actually incredibly useful.
Now why doesn't the game mention this anywhere? And why even have the Y button pop up during SOB when it's far more beneficial to mash X? Such bad design.
Now why doesn't the game mention this anywhere? And why even have the Y button pop up during SOB when it's far more beneficial to mash X? Such bad design.
"I WANT TO END THE WORLD BECAUSE EVERYONE LOVED MY BROTHER MORE AND I'M FOREVER ALONE!"
"I'M NO LONGER UNDER MIND CONTROL AS YOU CAN TELL BY ME SAVING YOU FROM MY BROTHER SO LET'S GO STOP CANNA - OH WAIT SHE'S MY DAUGHTER SO WE CAN'T KILL HER SO IMA KILL YOU INSTEAD FOR WANTING TO KILL MY DAUGHTER!"
Seriously. :lol :lol :lol
"I'M NO LONGER UNDER MIND CONTROL AS YOU CAN TELL BY ME SAVING YOU FROM MY BROTHER SO LET'S GO STOP CANNA - OH WAIT SHE'S MY DAUGHTER SO WE CAN'T KILL HER SO IMA KILL YOU INSTEAD FOR WANTING TO KILL MY DAUGHTER!"
Seriously. :lol :lol :lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"AH HERE THAT CURSE TAKEN CARE OF I REALLY DON'T CARE IF YOU KILL HER I JUST WANTED YOU TO HIM ME WITH YOUR SWORD SO I CAN REVERSE THE CURSE OR SOMETHING HAHA WHAT A TWI--*dies*"
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Has Itagaki commented on NG3 post release? Does the guy have a twitter or something. Interestingly, if he doesn't have a twitter, props to him - that's so Itagaki like. "Yo, fuck twitter."
sixteen-bit
Member
wrong thread
"Where's Ryu, I-I said some bad things to him"
Not a single mention of the whole city being destroyed and probably thousands of people dying (and almost Ryu) because of her lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"Where's Ryu, I-I said some bad things to him"
Not a single mention of the whole city being destroyed and probably thousands of people dying (and almost Ryu) because of her lol
LOL the whole giant goddess thing is almost like an afterthought. Ryu and that woman are making all googly eyes at each other for like five minutes while Japan is under attack, and afterwards it's just...completely inconsequital.
The whole Goddess thing is just fucking terrible. It's poorly explained, it's rarely treated like a big deal, and the boss fight is basically that crappy giant statue fight from NGS2.
DoDonGouki
Member
Enemy badass dude "KILLIN IS MA BISSNIS" -> Ryu slaps him hard -> dude "I DUN WANNA DIE" lol
And lol at the pointless bow scene in the last chapter: "Now they comming from left, now from behind" "Take your hitech-proto-autoaim-bow and try to save us......
And lol at the pointless bow scene in the last chapter: "Now they comming from left, now from behind" "Take your hitech-proto-autoaim-bow and try to save us......
no, your tv is not broken. i think ng3 looks really bad (levels, resolution, effects, textures, water and so on) aside from the character models. i remembered sigma 1 and 2 to look much better, so i booted up both games and i remembered correctly: they look much better.
at day 5 mnow and i dont know if i want to continue playing.
Better yet, What's wrong with Ryu's father eyes? Why did Obaba appear again?
NOTHING MAKES SENSE IN HERE
ViewtifulJC
Banned
There really is this cognitive dissonance throughout the whole game, even in the damn gameplay. One minute, you got a room full of "vicious" enemies waiting to tear you apart. KILLING IS MY BUSINESS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU DRAGON NINJA I'M GONNA TEAR YOU UP SUFFER, then the very next second after doing what the game told you to do(ya know, kill the bad guys), it's all I DON'T WANNA DIE PLEASE I GOT A FAMILY AND KIDS AND A CUTE LITTLE DOG, WHY DID YOU KILL MY CRAZY ASS DADDY YOU MURDERERRRRRRR. It's just annoying.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Whoa leave Koei out of this.
They usually do good work.
I was so blown away by this garbage.
There's these dudes that are responsible for all these crazy-ass experiments that have likely ruined countless lives and left the door open for potentially the entire human race to be wiped out, yet Ryu is always the bad guy because he's killing the people behind this mess.
Honestly as far as ruining protagonists go this game is up there with Metroid: Other M.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
RiderKairuu
Member
Reuben Langdon and Dan Southworth both worked on the motion capture for this game I noticed.
TacticalFox88
Banned
What the fuck was the point of the Black Spider Clan appearing again anyhow? They add literally no significance to the plot whatsoever.
Needed the monies after Capcom told them to fuck off when they farmed DmC out to Ninja Theory. :lol
I feel like shedding a tear at the sorry state of this genre and the companies involved in the poor treatment of it.
They worked on Dragon's Dogma.
Seriously, everyone need to see how bad awesome NG2 cutscenes were:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--3YsSzmHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB3qTuJIPno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db6_2qIQhZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE7PWh8tmeI
NO ONE KNOWS WHERE A NINJA GOES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--3YsSzmHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB3qTuJIPno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db6_2qIQhZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE7PWh8tmeI
NO ONE KNOWS WHERE A NINJA GOES
Ayane fights her in Sigma 2 to get the dragon's eye back for Ryu. Dunno why she's still alive in NG3 or why she suddenly got fucking huge or why you're even fighting her in the first place though.
Barakov
Member
They probably thought that the game needed some ninja-looking ninjas about halfway through development and just put that day in there.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It always sounds like the Black Spider-Clan is the major rival to the Hayabusa clan. Killing their big clan leader/God or something seems kinda important, but it's this total interlude that is poorly explained or even referenced to afterwards. You can pretty much cut out that entire section at the Hayabusa village and not miss a beat, 'cept getting another sword.
The black spider rivalry was brought to the forefront in ng2 and seemed to be pretty much resolved with the mass slaughter of the clan+death of their leader. I mean there must have been well over a thousand of them in that game (unless you're playing sigma 2 lolol)...how many could there possibly be?
I think they just wanted to put an Uncharted 2-style scripted village scenario in there, and give joe and chesty mctits a reason to exist.
Also, DEATH TO LORD GENSHIN'S ENEMIES.
MadOdorMachine
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Perhaps Team Ninja should take a break from the series and focus on Rygar instead. I haven't played NG3 but some of the ideas they implemented in it may have been better accepted in another game.
It's too early to say whether the changes they made will result in better commercial success for the series, but clearly they've done damage to their fanbase. A new Rygar game might have sold just as many copies as NG3 and revived the series at the same time.
I guess my point is that if Hayashi is hell bent on changing foundations of a game just because of bad blood with Itagaki, why not move onto another franshise all together?
It's too early to say whether the changes they made will result in better commercial success for the series, but clearly they've done damage to their fanbase. A new Rygar game might have sold just as many copies as NG3 and revived the series at the same time.
I guess my point is that if Hayashi is hell bent on changing foundations of a game just because of bad blood with Itagaki, why not move onto another franshise all together?
Yeah, it's the same issue of putting the story before the gameplay, no matter how much it would make the gameplay suffer.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Trying to add morality on top of a character who, by the necessity of the game, HAS to kill thousands and thousands of people without so much of an change in perspective or real decision making on the player's end, is pretty much impossible to succeed with. There's always gonna be this complete style and tone difference between gameplay and story, and just makes both look worse.
WickedLaharl
Member
I have never been more bored playing an action game. After about a half hour of playing I start to fall asleep. Hell asura's wrath is more captivating then this trash.
same. i am fighting on auto-pilot most of the time (just mashing the square button or using the izuna drop combo). waves and waves of the same fucking enemies and no weapons or ninpo spells to experiment with...
DoDonGouki
Member
Thats the future. NG2 and Bayonetta are outdated.
i hope devils third will save us (and i hope dmc will be at least decent and mg rising could be awesome too).
iconoclast
Member
Just finished my Master Ninja run. Got 2.39m karma and #1 on the leaderboard, but I'm sure that will be easy to beat once someone starts a MN run with the steel on bone knowledge that I previously posted.
Game's alright anyway, I'd give it a 6/10. It's like a less crappy Ninja Blade, but still an awful Ninja Gaiden. Guess I'll try out mission mode next.
Game's alright anyway, I'd give it a 6/10. It's like a less crappy Ninja Blade, but still an awful Ninja Gaiden. Guess I'll try out mission mode next.
highrider
Banned
as far as the sales stuff, i don't know or care. it is pretty clear in my opinion that this was an attempt to evolve action games outside of the established orb, weapon, item template that is pretty much every action game we play today. keeping the focus on the action only. i didn't say it was a successful attempt, but how would you explain the omissions? don't think he did it so nobody would like his game.
Devil's Third isn't going to be like your Ninja Gaidens, Devil May Crys, etc. in terms of stylish hack and slash combo-centric games. At least from what I read.
Metal Gear Rising is the last hope for this genre as DmC sure as shit won't compete with it, though I can see DmC being a better game than Ninja Gaiden 3.
RiderKairuu
Member
Just played through a bunch of co op trials. Its actually kind of fun with a decent partner.