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[a Master Ninja]

The thing I don't understand is why previous Ninja Gaiden entries were completely excused from camera issues and in this iteration it is so detrimental to the fundamental game experience. From what I've seen it's nearly identical to Sigma's camera and that received an A.

*shrug*

 

[DC R1D3R]

^^

Excellent points made. I'm surprised Mielke didn't review it, but I guess if the review was too favourable, he'd be accused of some sort of bias. But the thing is, he's the only hardcore gamer left over there :[

 

[dralla]

probably because of a game like God of War, no fiddling with the camera and very rarely does it cause problems. TN would rather show off their graphics rather than pull the camera back for gameplay purposes.

 

[a Master Ninja]

TN would rather show off their graphics rather than pull the camera back for gameplay purposes.

I don't think that's it.

 

[dralla]

oh I see, you're gonna fall back on the speed argument, right?

ps. nice stealth

 

[rollingstart]

And again, mind you, the narrative finds a convenient way to make you refight all of the bosses late in the adventure.

Fuck this shit.

Stop doing this and simply have a Boss Rush mode instead.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I'm surprised Mielke didn't review it

It would have been 1up's first ever XS++ grade.

 

[Mamesj]

I don't mean to harp on the reviewer but this comment, "For those purposes, it excels; for less devoted action-adventure fans, it's more of a violent curiosity than something to get invested in.” makes it seem he shouldn't be reviewing this title if he isn't an action game fan. It's like saying the basis of the gameplay is great but if you don't like action games you won't like this; well no shit Sherlock..

yeah, these reviews are all screwed up, but it's to be expected...no fan of the series has reviewed it yet.

. The deep combat is as rhythmic and precise as ever, and it's visually reinvigorated with fountains of blood and endless amputations.

he completely missed a feature--amputations are not just a visual thing, they're part of the combat system. He doesn't come back and clear up this point.

For the rest of us, though, it's never been more evident that Ninja Gaiden is a purebred fighting series, shoehorned awkwardly into an action-adventure presentation.

Then he says it's a fighting game in an action game's clothing. I think you'd have to misunderstand fighting games and action games to say something so wrong. also, knocking the game because the spear gun takes no skill was quite ridiculous.

I can understand why non-fans would hate the game, just like with NG 1, but it sucks no one in the gaming media is a fan.

anyway, can't wait for the game to come out so I can stop reviewing reviews of it.

Don't worry, Mamesj likes to play the martyr bit for the Ninja Gaiden fans entirely too much.

Anyway, day one for the game regardless of how I felt about the prior one. I love these types of action games and I would rather support this then MGS4.

martyr is the wrong word. "fanboy" is what you were looking for.

 

[DC R1D3R]

yeah, these reviews are all screwed up, but it's to be expected...no fan of the series has reviewed it yet.

I can understand why non-fans would hate the game, just like with NG 1, but it sucks no one in the gaming media is a fan.

Back in the day, game reviewers used to be specialists at playing games, that was the whole fucking point. There also just seems to be a lack of enthusiasm in a lot of these articles. Maybe the game is just too hardcore for these dudes :]

@_dementia

LOL

 

[clav]

No demo yet huh.

...

 

[Pachinko]

Nope, I'm getting so antsy that I finished off dragon sword and continued playing sigma to buy time. Course in sigma I made it up to the accursed "2 electric worms" boss in the aqueducts chapter. Screw alma and her floating beast tits , 2 giant worms are the hardest boss in that game.

 

[Speevy]

Congratulations, everyone who harped on Ninja Gaiden's camera as though it was a game-breaking problem. Now the reviewers are listening to you.

 

[Kittonwy]

From the 1UP review :



Damn. :lol

Wow, is that for real? Whoever thought of that has to be a total asshole.

 

[Creamium]

I hope you guys don't mind if I pop in here from time to time to ask some questions about NGB, on my first playthough at the start and already in need of advice. So I need to face a bunch of horsemen and I just beat them, but lost way too much health in the progress so I will reload (I have a bunch of potions but I'm hoarding them for when I get to a boss). I guess you need to use arrows, BUT: why the hell does the camera switch to 1st person when I just want to automatically shoot an arrow... I don't have time for aiming. I've noticed he sometimes does just auto-aim and shoots, but I don't know how to trigger that.

Also wasted a lot of time trying to get the running on water schtick down

 

[Speevy]

You refight all the bosses in Ninja Gaiden.

 

[Vaxadrin]

I hope you guys don't mind if I pop in here from time to time to ask some questions about NGB, on my first playthough at the start and already in need of advice. So I need to face a bunch of horsemen and I just beat them, but lost way too much health in the progress so I will reload (I have a bunch of potions but I'm hoarding them for when I get to a boss). I guess you need to use arrows, BUT: why the hell does the camera switch to 1st person when I just want to automatically shoot an arrow... I don't have time for aiming. I've noticed he sometimes does just auto-aim and shoots, but I don't know how to trigger that.

Also wasted a lot of time trying to get the running on water schtick down

Tapping B shoots an auto-aimed arrow. Holding it & moving the left stick goes into first person.

Nope, I'm getting so antsy that I finished off dragon sword and continued playing sigma to buy time. Course in sigma I made it up to the accursed "2 electric worms" boss in the aqueducts chapter. Screw alma and her floating beast tits , 2 giant worms are the hardest boss in that game.

Dabilahro XXXXY

 

[Draft]

That's how action games end.

With a boss rush.

This is CLASSIC game design.

Classic I tell you.

 

[jmdajr]

damn, I expected better

 

[MCD]

You refight all the bosses in Ninja Gaiden.

all?

i don't remember fighting the lava dragon two times.

 

[Haeleos]

You refight all the bosses in Ninja Gaiden.

Wrong.

 

[Pimpbaa]

They shouldn't allow weaksauce gamers to review this game.

 

[Creamium]

Tapping B shoots an auto-aimed arrow. Holding it & moving the left stick goes into first person.



Dabilahro XXXXY

ok so tapping and not moving the stick does it? because I tried tapping and he still went into first person

 

[karasu]

Not sure what to really make of it yet. I am a bit disappointed though. The thing I don't understand is why previous Ninja Gaiden entries were completely excused from camera issues and in this iteration it is so detrimental to the fundamental game experience. From what I've seen it's nearly identical to Sigma's camera and that received an A.

There have been a ton of action games released since Ninja Gaiden XBox, so maybe people just expect a little more from their camera nowadays.

 

[OnBackOrder]

ok so tapping and not moving the stick does it? because I tried tapping and he still went into first person

Because you moved the stick while you tapped it, that's the only way to go into first person.

Also there's no need to horde potions as you can only hold a certain amount if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[Y2Kev]

That's how action games end.

With a boss rush.

This is CLASSIC game design.

Classic I tell you.

It sort of depends.

I know the water here is filled with piranhas, but really, Nick Suttner is a pretty good reviewer and I don't really think he's saying anything that hasn't been said before about NG2.

I don't think he ever says the game is too hard in the review.

 

[DancingJesus]

There have been a ton of action games released since Ninja Gaiden XBox, so maybe people just expect a little more from their camera nowadays.

I used Sigma in the example though, which was released in 2007.
So your saying it wasn't a problem less than a year ago but now its gamebreaking?

 

[Pojo]

It's a B- because it only appeals to hardcore masochists. I mean lets face it, the game (if NG Black is any indication) absolutely punishes you for dying. A B- isn't a bad score, but NG is what it is: a no frills, hardcore action game with an absolutely awful art design.

Still, EGM gushed over the original. Go figure.

 

[Draft]

It sort of depends.

I know the water here is filled with piranhas, but really, Nick Suttner is a pretty good reviewer and I don't really think he's saying anything that hasn't been said before about NG2.

I don't think he ever says the game is too hard in the review.

I don't give a shit about 1Up's review or anyone else's.

I'm talking game design.

Boss rush is CARVED IN STONE.

BOSS RUSHED AND LOVED IT.

 

[rollingstart]

That's how action games end.

With a boss rush.

This is CLASSIC game design.

Classic I tell you.

Sometimes things need to evolve for the new generation. This is one of those times.

At least do something cool like make me fight all those bastards at once.

 

[raYne]

Gotta love how much anger at the difficulty level is surfacing in these reviews. :lol

 

[clav]

Nope, I'm getting so antsy that I finished off dragon sword and continued playing sigma to buy time. Course in sigma I made it up to the accursed "2 electric worms" boss in the aqueducts chapter. Screw alma and her floating beast tits , 2 giant worms are the hardest boss in that game.

The worms are easy.

Trap yourself in a corner and time your charged Y attacks with the huge ass sword (Diahbro or something).

There are specific corners that the worms can never hit you.

 

[karasu]

I used Sigma in the example though, which was released in 2007.

But that was just a remake.

 

[MCD]

Sometimes things need to evolve for the new generation. This is one of those times.

At least do something cool like make me fight all those bastards at once.

in sigma or black, you get to fight three or two bosses at the same time in the mission mode.

 

[DC R1D3R]

I know the water here is filled with piranhas, but really, Nick Suttner is a pretty good reviewer and I don't really think he's saying anything that hasn't been said before about NG2.

I don't think he ever says the game is too hard in the review.

Yeh, you're right. I guess the endless blood-letting, intensity and high-paced action just didn't impress him much. Sad, sad day for the hardcore indeed :[

 

[Draft]

Sometimes things need to evolve for the new generation. This is one of those times.

At least do something cool like make me fight all those bastards at once.

Don't talk to me about this theory of evolution.

The boss rush is in the bible.

Look it up.

 

[Y2Kev]

Yeh, you're right. I guess the endless blood-letting, intensity and high-paced action just didn't impress him much. Sad, sad day for the hardcore indeed :[

It did impress him. The text of his review indicates that without the game's great combat system (which he says received tons of "love"), it would be pretty terrible as an adventure game.

I don't know what a lot of people even look for in reviews besides gushing affirmation of what they were already sure of. Enjoy more GTA4 reviews if that's what you want.

 

[a Master Ninja]

But that was just a remake.

It had more technical issues than NG or NGB and was given rave reviews. Just saying.

 

[Captain Glanton]

Boooooooo Ghost Fish Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

 

[watership]

from 1up.com

"The awful camera -- one of the worst I've dealt with in a 3D environment -- compounds those problems and unnecessarily complicates the combat. It drags along behind you like a wounded dog and wanders off on its own when you need it most."

So it's worse than NG, NG:B and NG:S? I thought journos already were saying the camera was better than the previous games.

 

[rollingstart]

in sigma or black, you get to fight three or two bosses at the same time in the mission mode.

Yeah, that stuff was cool and it wasnt even required. Making me refight the same damn boss at the end of the game is boring. Use your ability to mix shit up there instead of in the bonus section then. Then just have the boss rush normal as an extra. Simple stop and swap, baby.

Don't talk to me about this theory of evolution.

The boss rush is in the bible.

Look it up.

I don't need a bible to tell me that fighting the boss battles again at the end must be required. I believe in choice! I'm a human being, damnit! My time has value!

 

[Haeleos]

It was weak in Devil May Cry to have to fight the same bosses over and over again, and it's weak that NG2 is doing it too. It's a weak tactic employed to artificially lengthen games... and it's another thing Japanese developers have to get their collective heads out of their asses over. That and the lack of mid mission save points.

Where has the majority of Japanese game design come since the 80s? Everything is covered in bloom and we're still doing boss rushes. Fuck off, Team Ninja, I'll wait till this is in the bargain bin.

 

[Speevy]

Wrong.

Close enough. I mean there's the whole refight the bosses thing.

 

[DancingJesus]

Anyway, I hope the demo comes out soon so this whole camera debate can be ended.

 

[Haeleos]

Close enough. I mean there's the whole refight the bosses thing.

The mission modes? I'm not really clear what part you're talking about.

 

[MCD]

Yeah, that stuff was cool and it wasnt even required. Making me refight the same damn boss at the end of the game is boring. Use your ability to mix shit up there instead of in the bonus section then. Then just have the boss rush normal as an extra. Simple stop and swap, baby.

tbh, while it was cool i thought it wasn't fun.

when they throw more than one boss at you, you will just be cheap and do wall flipping all the time.

 

[Vaxadrin]

Ninja Gaiden 3 review copies to ship with one package of adult diapers.

 

[Cianalas]

The mission modes? I'm not really clear what part you're talking about.

I think he's referring to how you have to fight Hydracubus 3 times and Yotunfrau a second time before fighting Marbus.

 

[rollingstart]

tbh, while it was cool i thought it wasn't fun.

when they throw more than one boss at you, you will just be cheap and do wall flipping all the time.

That is mainly because they were bonuses and not optimized and all that. They were thrown together. If they took the idea of fighting multiple bosses at once and tweaked it, it could be way awesome. Like there can be a whole puzzle element to the fight where you can use one boss to help you fight the other while you are fighting both.

 

[a Master Ninja]

The mission modes? I'm not really clear what part you're talking about.

You fight the tentacle boss 3 times, the worms 3 times (flame = electric, but just a ring instead of a burst), and the ice fiend twice. Not defending the decision, but it was present in NG1.

 

[MCD]

That is mainly because they were bonuses and not optimized and all that. They were thrown together. If they took the idea of fighting multiple bosses at once and tweaked it, it could be way awesome. Like there can be a whole puzzle element to the fight where you can use one boss to help you fight the other while you are fighting both.

i didn't think of it that way, interesting.

You fight the tentacle boss 3 times, the worms 3 times (flame = electric, but just a ring instead of a burst), and the ice fiend twice. Not defending the decision, but it was present in NG1.

that big spider is probably replacing them here.