Nintendo and the Switch 2 is reminding me of Microsoft and the Xbox One reveal

I feel you OP. But there's one big difference. Yes Nintendo is in trouble in terms of PR, but what is the alternative? Who is winning from this..

It was a problem for Xbox because Playstation was there to pick up the slack. We don't have that here. The direct competition isn't strong enough.

These customers will probably vent for a while, but where are they gonna go...they'll just come right back to Nintendo.
 
Nintendo has made many mistakes with its anti-consumer policy for Switch 2 and its pricing, but not as much as the Xbox One unveiling. That was legendary, how it destroyed the brand in just over an hour.
 
To even engage in a good faith argument with an OP like that, is my fault, and I'll still do it since you have no clue or context of the market in which both the consoles you are comparing launched (or are launching) with.

Xbone wasn't a failure of Don Mattrick alone. It was mixture of bad PR, mixed messaging and an unclear roadmap for the future of the platform, right from the release of Kinect on the 360.

They started focussing on casual games and that market to capture the Nintendo audience on the Wii, which Sony also did with the Move and the eyetoy a bit but not to the extent of MS and their Kinect on 360.

While Sony recovering from the initial losses on HW and their installed base being cut from the PS2 by half, most of those buying a 360, slowly kept up the numbers and were building their exclusive lineup, and produced banger after banger, all the way leading into the PS4 gen.

The 360's last hurrah wasn't even Halo 4, though being critically and commercially successful, it was Gears 3, which also resonated with the community. They led into the Xbone year with failures like Gears Judgment.

Though Sony too had a failure in Gow Ascension, they led into the PS4 gen with a unanimous goty named The Last of Us. This is massive for PR.

Couple that with the online rumors of always online, no used games, 24 hour check in, Kinect requirement mandatory, $100 (one of the most important points) etc, Sony just capitalized on these issues and delivered a more powerful console for $100 cheaper, and took back the PS2 market share, even though not as much, with 120 million PS4's sold.

Now coming to Switch 2, you're more in line to compare it with the PS3, coming from PS2. Highest selling console ever (PS2) compared to potentially the highest selling console of all-time by this time next year, the OG Switch (currently at 153 million), going into the next gen with the overpriced PS3 compared to the overpriced Switch 2 and it's overpriced $80 games. It's almost a match in context.

Are Nintendo arrogant (like Sony were) with overpriced consoles, accessories and their games? Yes, absolutely. They can conveniently do that, without even the tariffs starting, because THEY CAN. MS does not have the pulling power or market control or a legacy like Nintendo with their IP (not even consistently pumping out exclusives after exclusives every year with a 90+ meta, without fail).

At their worst in a home console, Sony managed to sell 87-88 million+ PS3's, which was higher than the 360 ended up selling. Coming from the Switch, at their worst, Nintendo will still end up selling 100 million+ consoles. There won't be another Wii U disaster. They just won't be the highest selling console of all time like the Switch is going to be, soon.
 
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I think it was a mistake to abandon Xbox One back then.

Look around you, Nintendo, Sony pull off much worse stunts on regular basis. Their fanboys keep buying them.

We might loose a system due to sheep mentality of gamers back then.
 
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There is legit hype for S2. How much is perhaps a matter of opinion, but you can't deny the hype. It's projecting biggest console launch of all time. Xbone's hype was swallowed by PS4 "this is how you lend your games to a friend." There's not much competition for S2. "Always online" was a horrible decision all hardware makers have avoided since. Most S2 annoyances to consumers are going to be followed by Sony and MS and other publishers doing the same. You are already seeing them raise prices. The two situations really aren't similar at all. How well S2 will ultimately do in the long run depends on the quality of the system and games which we will find out more when we get our hands on them next month.
 
MS does not have the pulling power or market control or a legacy like Nintendo
This quote is the absolute truth. This is what I was trying to tell the OP. No matter how much he wants to see Nintendo's primary console fail. It's just not going to happen. Not with both the handheld department and the home console department merged in one. The Switch is like Goku and Vegeta doing fusion. Both merged and created Gogeta. The Nintendo Switch is literally GOGETA.

But back to the point, The legacy that Nintendo has in the market stretches all the way back to the very first generation of gaming consoles when they released the color TV game console back in 1977 exclusively for the Japanese Market. They have a long cult like fan base who will never turn their back on this company. because this company was there ever since they were children. That's a strong stranglehold over the hearts and minds of many. This system won't fail because there isn't a 3DS equivalent where their fan base can just support that over the Home console equivalent. There is only one Nintendo system now and all their fans could just flock to that one system if they want to play Nintendo games. So there's no way the system is going to flop. and I'm already seeing advertisements for the Switch 2 on TV. And the system isn't even out yet, the marketing campaign is going to be huge. This is not like the Xbox one. This is totally different. It's certainly feels different. Too many people is talking about the Switch 2 right now. This is about to be huge.
 
Switch 2 will be a success, if gamers were more than happy to pay for a PS5.5 (PS5 pro in other words) at its inflated prices, then the prices Nintendo seek from the consumer won't matter a bit...Xbox one was like what the Saturn was to the Megadrive/Genesis....(not capitalising on what made the previous generation so successful, and instead come out with a skewed up console..)
 
Microsoft was riding high on the success of the Xbox 360. Despite the notoriously unreliable hardware—I went through five of them—the gameplay experience and Xbox Live were excellent. During that era, Sony lagged behind in online capabilities, and Nintendo still acts like online gaming is stuck in the 90s. Even with the Red Ring of Death issues, the 360 was a dominant force and firmly established Microsoft as a major player in the console market.


The original Xbox laid the groundwork, but it was the 360 that truly let Microsoft show what it was capable of. They were winning on both hardware and software fronts, raking in revenue and building a loyal user base. Microsoft was on top—and they knew it.


And then the arrogance set in.

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^^^^^
This smug Son of a Bitch comes out pushing features nobody asked for—especially the always-online requirement. On top of that, they tried to force that half-baked Kinect hardware onto everyone. Microsoft took all the goodwill and momentum the Xbox 360 had built and trashed it in favor of corporate-driven decisions. The Xbox brand still hasn't fully recovered from that misstep and remains in a shaky state.


Now Nintendo seems to be following the same formula. The Switch was their first major success with a broader audience in years—let's be honest, the Wii was largely a casual-focused console. The Switch brought back gamers like me who had grown disillusioned with Nintendo. Personally, my relationship with them went from love, to frustration, back to admiration, and now disappointment again.


The upcoming Switch 2 appears to be heading in a direction most of us don't want: rising game prices without meaningful improvements in quality. Many games won't even come as physical copies—just digital keys, which are basically store-locked DRM. Their online store still looks like the same outdated Switch interface, and there aren't many compelling titles on the horizon that would appeal to players already invested in current-gen PlayStation or Xbox systems. The biggest draw seems to be a new Mario Kart, but I've seen no justification for it costing more than other titles. Sure, there will always be die-hard Nintendo fans willing to pay any price, but the broader market may not be as forgiving.


Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.
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Judging by how difficult it was for me to get a preorder, this is no Xbox One. This thing will probably outsell it in 3 years. The difference is that Nintendo doesn't have a direct competitor like Xbox with Sony. The PS4 was very similar to the Xbox One but was more powerful yet cheaper. If Sony was releasing an equivalent to the Switch that was more powerful and cheaper then we would have the same situation.
 
It's like OP is setting himself up for a world record. Most crows eaten for a single struggle.

I hope his diet includes plenty of salt, 'cuz so many people will be drinking his tears.
 
Microsoft was riding high on the success of the Xbox 360. Despite the notoriously unreliable hardware—I went through five of them—the gameplay experience and Xbox Live were excellent. During that era, Sony lagged behind in online capabilities, and Nintendo still acts like online gaming is stuck in the 90s. Even with the Red Ring of Death issues, the 360 was a dominant force and firmly established Microsoft as a major player in the console market.


The original Xbox laid the groundwork, but it was the 360 that truly let Microsoft show what it was capable of. They were winning on both hardware and software fronts, raking in revenue and building a loyal user base. Microsoft was on top—and they knew it.


And then the arrogance set in.

xbox-one-reveal-almost-11-years-ago-its-still-crazy-to-me-v0-uf7tiOrVXOxI55Cg88-r2eCmAb49IfradCNIqBlwsdE.jpg


^^^^^
This smug Son of a Bitch comes out pushing features nobody asked for—especially the always-online requirement. On top of that, they tried to force that half-baked Kinect hardware onto everyone. Microsoft took all the goodwill and momentum the Xbox 360 had built and trashed it in favor of corporate-driven decisions. The Xbox brand still hasn't fully recovered from that misstep and remains in a shaky state.


Now Nintendo seems to be following the same formula. The Switch was their first major success with a broader audience in years—let's be honest, the Wii was largely a casual-focused console. The Switch brought back gamers like me who had grown disillusioned with Nintendo. Personally, my relationship with them went from love, to frustration, back to admiration, and now disappointment again.


The upcoming Switch 2 appears to be heading in a direction most of us don't want: rising game prices without meaningful improvements in quality. Many games won't even come as physical copies—just digital keys, which are basically store-locked DRM. Their online store still looks like the same outdated Switch interface, and there aren't many compelling titles on the horizon that would appeal to players already invested in current-gen PlayStation or Xbox systems. The biggest draw seems to be a new Mario Kart, but I've seen no justification for it costing more than other titles. Sure, there will always be die-hard Nintendo fans willing to pay any price, but the broader market may not be as forgiving.


Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.

You'd better ring Nintendo and alert them to your findings before they make a massive mistake then.
 
No, OP. Long post you wrote up there, but there's no comparison. The Switch 2 reveal was actually quite good and well-received. The pricing buzz coming off was the only negative aspect of the Switch 2 announcements. But the console showed really well, and most importantly, the games showed really well. If you think the Switch 2 showed poorly, you've lost some perceptive, is what I would suggest to you. It will sell extremely well and it's certainly poised to have a very, very, VERY strong launch in June. It's really nothing remotely similar to the disastrous Xbox One reveal in 2013.

The Xbox One was perceived as being technologically weaker than PS4 (it was, a bit), and the decision to force every Xbox One to come bundled with Kinect at launch drove the price up. The launch lineup actually wasn't too bad. Given that PS4 didn't have an excellent launch lineup, either. They both had rather lackluster lineups the first year or so. Nintendo has none of those problems.

High prices are a problem with everything now, including video games and consoles, and we all know it's the way it is and it's out of anyone's control. The prices are going up, because costs are going up. It's not a poor reflection on Nintendo.
 
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Switch 2 is less powerful than I expected considering it's almost as expensive as a PS5.
Switch 2 is a mobile platform that operates off a battery when playing portably. It has a screen in it. Speakers, an audio jack, controllers that magnetically connect off it, etc.

In what universe are your expectations such that you're comparing a stationary home console to a hybrid portable. Makes no sense.
 
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Microsoft was riding high on the success of the Xbox 360. Despite the notoriously unreliable hardware—I went through five of them—the gameplay experience and Xbox Live were excellent. During that era, Sony lagged behind in online capabilities, and Nintendo still acts like online gaming is stuck in the 90s. Even with the Red Ring of Death issues, the 360 was a dominant force and firmly established Microsoft as a major player in the console market.


The original Xbox laid the groundwork, but it was the 360 that truly let Microsoft show what it was capable of. They were winning on both hardware and software fronts, raking in revenue and building a loyal user base. Microsoft was on top—and they knew it.


And then the arrogance set in.

xbox-one-reveal-almost-11-years-ago-its-still-crazy-to-me-v0-uf7tiOrVXOxI55Cg88-r2eCmAb49IfradCNIqBlwsdE.jpg


^^^^^
This smug Son of a Bitch comes out pushing features nobody asked for—especially the always-online requirement. On top of that, they tried to force that half-baked Kinect hardware onto everyone. Microsoft took all the goodwill and momentum the Xbox 360 had built and trashed it in favor of corporate-driven decisions. The Xbox brand still hasn't fully recovered from that misstep and remains in a shaky state.


Now Nintendo seems to be following the same formula. The Switch was their first major success with a broader audience in years—let's be honest, the Wii was largely a casual-focused console. The Switch brought back gamers like me who had grown disillusioned with Nintendo. Personally, my relationship with them went from love, to frustration, back to admiration, and now disappointment again.


The upcoming Switch 2 appears to be heading in a direction most of us don't want: rising game prices without meaningful improvements in quality. Many games won't even come as physical copies—just digital keys, which are basically store-locked DRM. Their online store still looks like the same outdated Switch interface, and there aren't many compelling titles on the horizon that would appeal to players already invested in current-gen PlayStation or Xbox systems. The biggest draw seems to be a new Mario Kart, but I've seen no justification for it costing more than other titles. Sure, there will always be die-hard Nintendo fans willing to pay any price, but the broader market may not be as forgiving.


Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.

It seems like there's two paths with video gamers:

troon out and get angry at each new iteration of consoles, and the games that come with it, because you're struggling to find meaning in a product designed for entertainment;
or start a family and enjoy the hobby with your kids, seeing the mario and zelda franchises for what they are: entertainment sold as a product.

I'm sorry that Mario Kart 9 is causing you to relive personal, video game-based trauma from 15 years ago--please don't follow my children into the bathroom at Target though.
 
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This thread encapsulates perfectly what the vibe has been regarding Switch 2 for two months. Some people trying real hard to doom it and shit on its launch while a majority of people are not buying into the doom and they are extremely excited for the system.
 
No one saw a next-gen sequel to the last Switch prediction thread coming, developed by a single man toiling in his basement with limited tools.
 
Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.

Absolut nonsense. The Nintendo Switch has insane market penetration. Within my social circle I see a ton of Switches, far more than consoles or gaming PCs. And even the uninformed parents among them have vaguely heard that there is a Switch 2 coming, and now the kids are nagging, nagging, nagging.
 
This thread encapsulates perfectly what the vibe has been regarding Switch 2 for two months. Some people trying real hard to doom it and shit on its launch while a majority of people are not buying into the doom and they are extremely excited for the system.
The doom'n gloom is basically inexistent outside of the non-Nintendo fan enthusiast community. The real world is waiting for release with bated breath and money in hand. I'd be somewhat surprised if this is not THE biggest console launch week (sales wise) in history.
 
The doom'n gloom is basically inexistent outside of the non-Nintendo fan enthusiast community. The real world is waiting for release with bated breath and money in hand. I'd be somewhat surprised if this is not THE biggest console launch week (sales wise) in history.
It is guaranteed, if the rumored amount of consoles available is correct.(6-8million)

It will blow the doors off the current holder(PS4/5 4.5 million available at launch)
 
It will sell out it's first year just because there is enough fans indoctrinated and it's new Tech. Lets see what it looks like 18 months out.
 
It certaintly doesn't feel like the beginning of a new gen to me. Most people I see are lukewarm to it, they're buying regardless just like me. I still think this could lag behind S1 sales massively come end of next year. I don't see the mainstreaming getting crazy for it, it doesn't have any kind of buzz around it. Nintendo needs to show serious killer apps during it's first year to get some mindshare.
 
No I'm sorry for you, party chat may not be what we need here since everyone has discord, but it's still something that more casual gamers may appreciate and that, everywhere on the globe.

On the contrary, the american television box focused xbox one presentation convinced absolutely nobody. Especially when data showed later that the hardware was weaker than the PS4 on all fronts.

I didn't read your topic so O don't even know exactly what you compared but I immediatly thought about this particular comparison.
 
It certaintly doesn't feel like the beginning of a new gen to me. Most people I see are lukewarm to it, they're buying regardless just like me. I still think this could lag behind S1 sales massively come end of next year. I don't see the mainstreaming getting crazy for it, it doesn't have any kind of buzz around it. Nintendo needs to show serious killer apps during it's first year to get some mindshare.

It's a device in the "Nintendo Switch Family" much like 3DS, despite being a new gen, was part of the DS family. And indeed the 3DS was not as unique new or interesting as the DS.

And again like 3DS it probably won't reach the heights of its predecessor, but I don't think it will stumble out the gate like that did either. I think they have it on lock.
 
It will sell out it's first year just because there is enough fans indoctrinated and it's new Tech. Lets see what it looks like 18 months out.
While I do not agree with your initial premise, I do agree that launch performance doesn't tell us much regarding it's potential long term performance.
 
It's a device in the "Nintendo Switch Family" much like 3DS, despite being a new gen, was part of the DS family. And indeed the 3DS was not as unique new or interesting as the DS.

And again like 3DS it probably won't reach the heights of its predecessor, but I don't think it will stumble out the gate like that did either. I think they have it on lock.
It could sell 130+ million, and some people will still be like, "See?! Totally underperformed. People called me crazy, but I was riiiiiight!
 
You came back to double down on your delusion. I like the dedication. It's gonna work out for you little buddy.
What happens after 18 months? "Sales were only sustained for this ONE GAME. Check back next year for how the system does in the same period without this one big game dropping. You'll see. No one really wants it"
 
What happens after 18 months? "Sales were only sustained for this ONE GAME. Check back next year for how the system does in the same period without this one big game dropping. You'll see. No one really wants it"
The goalposts are always moving.

Every since he got a PC he's been posting console doom stuff.
 
It will sell out it's first year just because there is enough fans indoctrinated and it's new Tech. Lets see what it looks like 18 months out.

Oh here he is

Again

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Guy might even get his posting privileges revoked because I just saw one of his post get pop'd out of existence.
 
It will sell out it's first year just because there is enough fans indoctrinated and it's new Tech. Lets see what it looks like 18 months out.
Yeah, um... just like the Xbox One... right guys? Right?
 
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