Drell
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"I don't get why people are so assblasted that Nintendo has a comparable level of power to its competition again, as if the SNES/N64/GameCube never existed."
I'm not native english but, isn't that exactly what they said?
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Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to devs at Gamescom | Sources Claim it runs Matrix UE5 Demo With Comparable Graphics to PS5/XSX
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I'm not native english but, isn't that exactly what they said?
I still don't trust Nintendo to be at the top of the line. They could be using tech older than what's inside a ps5, 5 year old tech for all I know.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll take the beefiest switch Nintendo pulls out, I don't care if I pay $700. I want it. So it's not a matter of wanting it to be real. I'll just rather be realistic and wait and see, and expect the worst from them, to not be disappointed
If they come up with something very comparable then I'll be shocked and celebrate
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This sounds ok but I’m gonna hold for the Switch 2 Pro. Early rumours suggest it’ll run games at 8K/240 and will be able to render Avatar 2 level graphics in real time.
The BOTW remake is rumoured to be a launch title for it and it’s aiming for 99 MC, minimum.
Which I fully believe is the score it deserves and I’m already writing up death threats ready to send them to any “journalist “ who rates it too low, if and when that happens (I bet it happens!)
The BOTW remake is rumoured to be a launch title for it and it’s aiming for 99 MC, minimum.
Which I fully believe is the score it deserves and I’m already writing up death threats ready to send them to any “journalist “ who rates it too low, if and when that happens (I bet it happens!)
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Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Appreciate this - very informative. I’m surprised that a port can be done in a years time! Always thought it was take much longer than that.
Current consoles are already struggling, so much so Sony wants a PS5 pro already lol and here we are saying switch 2 is comparable to ps5 lol
I know dlss can pull some miracles on the PC space, but I just don't buy it.
But I would LOVE to be wrong. Please let me be wrong
I know dlss can pull some miracles on the PC space, but I just don't buy it.
But I would LOVE to be wrong. Please let me be wrong
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Oh FFS, this is inaccurate. I was there. Those guys weren’t at the Nintendo area, they were at the Sony area.
I heard from an industry friend that Sony had invited friendly journos to an exclusive demo allowing them to enjoy themselves with 19 inches of Venom.
It was a closed door event for obvious reasons.
I saw a load of guys from Push Square leaving the area behind the guards looking pretty happy.
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I think all companies do this. First party and close partners(second party and outside larger partners) are cranking away at software, but there are a lot of other developers outside of that. Basically, they should have launch window software + locked down.
As for dev kits, I think you have 'target specs' dev kits, and actual hardware dev kits.
They were? I thought people found out that Switch was basically Wii U +, but with a btter CPU and more modern GPU. I stopped following the some of the rumours about it after a while though, so I don't know how many people were still fighting the good fight about it's hardware prowess. The Wii U stuff was funny though, I remember people having some ridiculous expectations of that, until the truth hit a lot of people...HARD.
Dacvak
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I heard that Nintendo secretly bought Nvidia behind closed doors at Gamescom and Miyamoto has already revealed DLSS 4.2 to them.
BlackTron
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I still don't trust Nintendo to be at the top of the line. They could be using tech older than what's inside a ps5, 5 year old tech for all I know.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll take the beefiest switch Nintendo pulls out, I don't care if I pay $700. I want it. So it's not a matter of wanting it to be real. I'll just rather be realistic and wait and see, and expect the worst from them, to not be disappointed
If they come up with something very comparable then I'll be shocked and celebrate
Switch 2 isn't going to be a portable PS5. It's just going to kick the pants off Switch 1 and punch way above its weight while managing to play many current gen games better than you would have expected with the "handhelds/Nintendo sucks" attitude they've conditioned everyone into with an 8 year old phone chip this whole time. It will have glorious 1p games and not be such a distant step child for 3p. It's not going to be a "top end" beast that runs games at 60FPS with ray tracing at 4k and tons of effects.
DeepEnigma
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Nintendo sure is employing a lot more uncles lately.
THE DUCK
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Ah ok, I reread it, looks like I may have had it twisted.
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Woopah
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As an example, GRID and Alien Isolation took under a year to port to Switch.
BlackTron
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GC was better than PS2 and in real gameplay managed to trade blows with the beefy Xbox despite being this little lunchbox thing. Just proves N is the right fit for engineering a beast handheld
WRONG
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BlackTron
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lol is this a joke/troll post. Just checking. At least use the Trump gif so we can be sure
CherryFalls
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It's finally going to be real & it's going to be glorious
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Exactly! It’s going to be a portable PS6.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Nintendo's wall of secrecy is legendary - I think this is partly due to their %98.8 employee retention rate, litigious tendencies, and hellish NDA's. Either way, even "reliable" people get them wrong more often than not it seems.
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BlackTron
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It's finally going to be real & it's going to be glorious
Emotional abuse
StereoVsn
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Technically in Docked mode Switch 2 could get say 45-50w depending on the cooling setup. Will Nintendo do that? Probably not.
Deerock71
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sainraja
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No need to save the play-through, given how dynamic the gameplay is.
Investor9872
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It seems to me that Nintendo wanted news of their next system to be released to combat Sony's new handheld accessory announcements last week. Nintendo will need to give us more information on whether the next system is fully backward compatible with the Switch and is also a continuation of the hybrid gaming platform if they want to divert sales away from the Playstation Portal, which has a release date this November. I can see Nintendo leaking a lot more info on their new system before that date. If these rumored specs are true, I'll gladly pay $500+ for the next Nintendo system.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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I'm not adding this rumor to the OP since I don't know how reliable that twitter account is. Still worth sharing so I'll leave it here as a comment instead if people want to speculate further.
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Kings Field
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day 1
THE DUCK
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It's finally going to be real & it's going to be glorious
Only if they replace the crappy joycons with real controllers.
zeldaring
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I Remember this. Nintendo fans constantly sayings wiiu was more powerful then 360 when most ports ran worse. then it was finally confirmed that it actually had less gflops then 360. although this time time DlSS technology could be the miracle nintendo needed to finally be able to get current gen ports, still wait and see.
It's finally going to be real & it's going to be glorious
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Woopah
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Nintendo is not going to purposefully leak things about their own system. They're not going to react to the Portal, they'll just have a proper announcement next year.
BlackTron
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Nintendo cannot possibly be that insecure.
Ogbert
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As others have suggested, it would have been for smaller developers who aren’t their principal partners. Anyone developing for it would have had the kits for maybe 12/18 months. They will all be under NDA but I expect it’s all common knowledge across the industry.
The article saying that dev kits are just going out was bullshit.
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Gambit2483
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Huh? Pro controllers do exist, no?
Or do you mean change the handheld design/form? Joycon design is probably due to their detachable nature and to have better ergonomics and form as one solid device. Besides you can always buy attachable grips if that's what you want..
Banjo64
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Sony’s fisher price Chinese tablet
E-Cat
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No one could do on Switch what Nintendo did with Zelda, imagine what they can do with a shitty PS5.
BlackTron
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Sony’s fisher price Chinese tablet
Yeah I'm sure Nintendo is really worried about it making knee jerk reactions and sweating bullets.
E-Cat
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Whatever enables them to hit their target price point. Those who care about graphics will game on the big screen, anyway.
Doctor Hades
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100% agree with you about NVIDIA and DLSS because FSR1 and FSR2 have been far from impressive on the PS5 and Xbox Series X. NVIDIA also have the edge when it comes to ray-tracing too because they had an 18 month head start over AMD.
THE DUCK
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Huh? Pro controllers do exist, no?
Or do you mean change the handheld design/form? Joycon design is probably due to their detachable nature and to have better ergonomics and form as one solid device. Besides you can always buy attachable grips if that's what you want..
Yes and I have them, but we can do better on the included ones. No stick drift and ergonomic improvements should be expected. And I do like the detachable nature. I just don't feel like if I spend $500 canadian for the new machine I should really have to replace the joysticks day 1.
Holammer
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Heck, add the NES to that, you need to compare it to the competition when it released in 1983. It trounced the existing micros such as C64, MSX and Spectrum, Sega's SG-1000 and a bunch of horribly outdated 70's era consoles. It was flawed, but it was still the most powerful console until the Master System released in 1985.
As for it being a mobile device? I think not. It's going to have to be able to offer acceptable resolution on a 4k screen. DLSS is great, but it's not a free lunch in terms of processing power required. I would design the handheld portion as an optional device like Sony's upcoming Portal controller. So the main console unit can have adequate power and cooling.
Nah, I don't think Nintendo intends to hard counter the Portal with a new hardware announcement. If anything, Sony used unveiled the Portal to steal Nintendo's Next Gen glory, if my hunch is correct. Perhaps we'll see in a few months, I want to see Mario Kart 9.
JimboJones
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Guaranteed Playstation Portal will not have factored into Nintendo's planning, that thing is a joke and will be lucky if anyone is talking about it in a year. It's equivalent to the PS One screen attachment.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Y’all keep saying “Portal” and I keep thinking you’re talking about the Pimax Portal, which is exactly Switch form factor, but the joycons are magnetic, and it has a snapdragon 865.
I have one. They’re really nice.
I have one. They’re really nice.
Kataploom
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Graphics technology these days is highly scalable, we're far from the T&L days where bragging about polygon count on a custom made CPU meant something, so I don't think it's impossible.
There was another rumor about Switch 2 being "2 SKUs" (maybe that's where "2" comes from... *ba dum tsss*), so maybe this time they're emulating Xbox Series strategy but with portable and stationary. I wish for that.
There was another rumor about Switch 2 being "2 SKUs" (maybe that's where "2" comes from... *ba dum tsss*), so maybe this time they're emulating Xbox Series strategy but with portable and stationary. I wish for that.
It can help them boost games production pipeline, maybe Zelda and Metroid won't use it because they rather use the power to put more and better effects but Mario Party, Mario Golf and some other smaller titles can be developed quicker with Nanite and Lumen or RT like solutions without too much performance penalty, considering those games tend to be 1080p or 900p running at 60 fps locked on Switch.
All it has to do is have good enough CPU and RAM, graphics can be downscaled easily as they do on current Switch and XSS, problem with these consoles for which downscaling isn't linear is memory bandwidth, but if Nintendo solves that I think they can get current gen ports pretty easily without much effort.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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The NVIDIA Tegra T239 which is the most likely SoC for the Switch 2 could use these bigger A78C arm cores. From this diagram it looks like it will be a huge improvement in IPC vs what's currently in the Switch.
Original leak from this reddit thread:
Original leak from this reddit thread:
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Kataploom
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You don't need top end hardware to run current gen games. I mean, you have consoles running them (and not to mention XSS is one of them)
EruditeHobo
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Honestly I'll believe this when I see it... there's no reason to think it makes sense for Nintendo to release hardware competing with the likes of Sony or MS, it's been like 17 years since they even tried.
The biggest issue for me is not power, but whether or not Switch 2 will be backwards compatible -- if not, most likely no buy from me. I've enjoyed my Switch, but on principle I won't support that kind of extremely user-unfriendly practice.
But Wii U was BC with Wii, right? So I can hold out hope for Switch 2.
Will be about time for me to jump into TOTK sometime next year, so if there's BC, better resolution on handheld mode, and TOTK performance update release... I'll be there.
The biggest issue for me is not power, but whether or not Switch 2 will be backwards compatible -- if not, most likely no buy from me. I've enjoyed my Switch, but on principle I won't support that kind of extremely user-unfriendly practice.
But Wii U was BC with Wii, right? So I can hold out hope for Switch 2.
Will be about time for me to jump into TOTK sometime next year, so if there's BC, better resolution on handheld mode, and TOTK performance update release... I'll be there.