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[DenchDeckard]

Well, the Sony and Nintendo fiscal reports tell the show the full picture and don't lie, they are factual data.

Whats the profits of them both? Remember revenue doesn't matter, we have often heard that on here.

 

[Woopah]

According to the Nintendo and Sony fiscal numbers, every year there are way more games sold for PS than for Switch globally. And if instead of game units sold we look at game revenue also adding the add-ons revenue, the difference gets even bigger. It is the main reason of why Sony makes way more revenue than Nintendo every year.

The Famitsu ranking Japanese numbers are incomplete because only includes physical and nowadays most PS games are sold digitally (while Switch has a way smaller percentage of digital games), plus only includes a few games in the ranking each week, while there are thousands being sold. In addition to this, nowadays a huge chunk of the game revenue comes from add-ons and not game sales due to GaaS.

So maybe even in Japan there are more PS games being sold / more game revenue made.

A couple of things to remember is that they are not quite like-for-like comparisons:

1. Sony's software number includes digital-only games, Nintendo's software number doesn't
2. Sony's reported revenue includes all the digital revenue from every third party. Nintendo's digital revenue only includes their own revenue

And there is no way that there are more PS games sold in Japan than Switch games. We could give PS a 75% digital ratio and Switch a 0% digital ratio, and Switch would still be ahead. And Switch's digital ratio is way higher than 0.

 

[K' Dash]

A couple of things to remember is that they are not quite like-for-like comparisons:

1. Sony's software number includes digital-only games, Nintendo's software number doesn't
2. Sony's reported revenue includes all the digital revenue from every third party. Nintendo's digital revenue only includes their own revenue

And there is no way that there are more PS games sold in Japan than Switch games. We could give PS a 75% digital ratio and Switch a 0% digital ratio, and Switch would still be ahead. And Switch's digital ratio is way higher than 0.

get the fuck out of here with your facts.

 

[Fahdis]

It smells in here.

 

[LordOcidax]

We forgetting about the Wii U conveniently?

You are forgetting the Vita also… the 3DS helped Nintendo to won that gen too.

 

[Woopah]

get the fuck out of here with your facts.

I refuse

 

[HogIsland]

People feel comforted by the same brands over and over. Meh.

 

[kazuyamishima]

DQ III HD-2D Remake pretty much flopped on PS5 too in Japan. The game sold 230k copies on PS5 and 930k on Switch. Basically sold 4x more on Switch

Oh man, you’re telling me that the Switch version sold 4x copies compared to the PS5 one on an installbase of 5x+ compared to the PS5.

 

[Euler007]

 

[SweetTooth]

Poor Sony. At least they have western, right?

Switch sales is more concentrated in JP/NA .. Playstation is more spread out WW.

 

[pulicat]

Oh man, you’re telling me that the Switch version sold 4x copies compared to the PS5 one on an installbase of 5x+ compared to the PS5.

DQ3R Switch version had many competitors on Nintendo Switch userbase such as Jamboree, Zelda EOW, MK8D, Animal Crossing NH, Pokémon, and etc during holidays, while PS5 version was in the spotlight for PS5 software but still flopped with zero competitors on PS5 platform.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

Is there any JP 24 PS5 Pro sales figures?

 

[Unknown?]

You are forgetting the Vita also… the 3DS helped Nintendo to won that gen too.

Ya but it shows they aren't bullet proof and only handhelds can be mega hits in Japan now. Stationary is niche.

 

[Hookshot]

Is there any JP 24 PS5 Pro sales figures?

From install base

PS5 Pro (Famitsu)

Week 45, 2024 - 78.086 / NEW
Week 46, 2024 - 13.878 / 91.964 (-82,22%)
Week 47, 2024 - 10.128 / 102.092 (-27,02%)
Week 48, 2024 - 6.824 / 108.916 (-32,62%)
Week 49, 2024 - 3.915 / 112.831 (-42,63%)
Week 50, 2024 - 5.504 / 118.335 (+40,59%)
Week 51, 2024 - 5.358 / 123.693 (-2,65%)
Week 52, 2024 + Week 1, 2025 - 8.927 / 132.620

 

[DenchDeckard]

Switch sales is more concentrated in JP/NA .. Playstation is more spread out WW.

Switch is pretty damn huge everywhere.

 

[AJUMP23]

I read switch has now outsold Ps2.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Sony ruled in Japan for ten years solid. They were so dominant during the PS1 and PS2 eras, and all the best Japanese games (MGS, Tekken, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, RE etc etc) were Playstation exclusives. I still remember how much of a shock it was when RE4 was revealed on Gamecube. I still even find it hard to believe that Nintendo is now the market leader. So to me the real fluke was Nintendo winning back Japan.

Nintendo never lost Japan. Their handheld business was dominant.

 

[Celine]

Switch sales is more concentrated in JP/NA .. Playstation is more spread out WW.

Switch sales have a good spread in Japan, the Americas and Europe (of course we are talking about markets with different population) and are growing nicely in other emerging markets compared to past Nintendo consoles.
Europe weights more than Japan (again, of course we are talking about markets with different population).

Nintendo Switch splits by regions as September 2024 (source: Nintendo)

Hardware:
Japan: 24.4%
Americas: 38.4%
Europe: 25.7%
Others: 11.5%

Software:
Japan: 19.6%
Americas: 43.6%
Europe: 29.0%
Others: 7.8%

 

[Woopah]

Switch sales is more concentrated in JP/NA .. Playstation is more spread out WW.

By that same token we could say PS is more contenteated in EU/NA while Switch is more spread out WW.

It's difficult to define "spreadoutness".

 

[CosmicComet]

The Switch is going to surpass the PS2 in global sales.

That little beast came out like 3 years after the PS4 yet beat it's ass every month.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Something happened in Japan, PS1 and PS2 went like hot cakes. But from PS3 onward the console sales started to plummet. Its a combination of many factors. HD development caused Japan to lag behind and their quality to go down. Costs also risen and work force needed to be tripled or more. The consumer just went full handheld over there. I think the PS1 and PS2 had exactly all those games that now exist only on handheld. It works both ways as the PS5 didn't even launch in Japan first.

 

[TheGodfather07]

You know what Nintendo needs to trump next? Those long ass droughts where there's barely any new releases because they don't get proper 3rd party support. Sometimes I forget I even have a switch.

 

[RickMasters]

Nintendomination

Yeah but….. Playstation nation….. domination….and something other stuff that rhymes with nation and domination I let my friends share my games by borrowing them the disc.

 

[RickMasters]

You know what Nintendo needs to trump next? Those long ass droughts where there's barely any new releases because they don't get proper 3rd party support. Sometimes I forget I even have a switch.

They beat the shit out of Sony and microsoft with mutant big thirds party releases. That’s not gonna change anytime soon.

 

[SweetTooth]

Switch sales have a good spread in Japan, the Americas and Europe (of course we are talking about markets with different population) and are growing nicely in other emerging markets compared to past Nintendo consoles.
Europe weights more than Japan (again, of course we are talking about markets with different population).

Nintendo Switch splits by regions as September 2024 (source: Nintendo)

Hardware:
Japan: 24.4%
Americas: 38.4%
Europe: 25.7%
Others: 11.5%

Software:
Japan: 19.6%
Americas: 43.6%
Europe: 29.0%
Others: 7.8%

What about region splits for PS4? Or even PS5?

 

[Celine]

You know what Nintendo needs to trump next? Those long ass droughts where there's barely any new releases because they don't get proper 3rd party support. Sometimes I forget I even have a switch.

Switch have record number of software releases (true even if only games with a physical SKUare considered).
The spread of first-party games for each quarter during the console lifespan was also remarkable.

Of course one must always strives to improve and in fact I do believe the Switch successor may increase the rate of third-party support.

 

[BlackTron]

Seeing how the PS5 is selling worse than the PS4 there even with the millions in sale to overseas Chineses buyers I’d say next gen Sony will be doing Xbox numbers there,

I mean, let's not go that far.

 

[BlackTron]

It's the posters we notice in other threads who simply dislike Nintendo games who are bargaining and quipping. Nothing to see here.

 

[Orbital2060]

Switch have record number of software releases (true even if are considered only the game that have a physical SKU).
The spread of first-party games for each quarter during the console lifespan was also remarkable.

Of course one must always strives to improve and in fact I do believe the Switch successor may increase the rate of third-party support.

If the rumours about strong XGS support are true, they stand to get a lot of Series S level ports from there.

 

[Dacvak]

Nintendo makes the best video games, period. That’s why we put up with all of their shit.

It’s the same reason why I still own an iPhone.

 

[Orbital2060]

 

[BlackTron]

People feel comforted by the same brands over and over. Meh.

Let me guess -if Sony still dominated the chart, it would be because they had the best games, not because people like buying the same brand, even though Sony already owned the chart in 2005.

 

[MacReady13]

Sony ruled in Japan for ten years solid. They were so dominant during the PS1 and PS2 eras, and all the best Japanese games (MGS, Tekken, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, RE etc etc) were Playstation exclusives. I still remember how much of a shock it was when RE4 was revealed on Gamecube. I still even find it hard to believe that Nintendo is now the market leader. So to me the real fluke was Nintendo winning back Japan.

It wasn't a fluke at all. Nintendo remained true to themselves- they are a Japanese company. They didn't sell their souls to the USA market to cater for them. They never abandoned their own people in service of the Americans.

Look at when Playstation was most successful there- the PS1 and PS2 era. They dominated with Japanese gamers cause they catered to them primarily. Now their focus is on Western gamers in their 1st party portfolio. It's been a shame seeing Playstation go down that route but VERY comforting seeing Nintendo remain true to their roots.

 

[KU_]

Switch sales have a good spread in Japan, the Americas and Europe (of course we are talking about markets with different population) and are growing nicely in other emerging markets compared to past Nintendo consoles.
Europe weights more than Japan (again, of course we are talking about markets with different population).

Nintendo Switch splits by regions as September 2024 (source: Nintendo)

Hardware:
Japan: 24.4%
Americas: 38.4%
Europe: 25.7%
Others: 11.5%

Software:
Japan: 19.6%
Americas: 43.6%
Europe: 29.0%
Others: 7.8%

Also, wasn’t the Switch the best selling console in the US according to NPD for like a record 40+ consecutive months?

 

[kazuyamishima]

Look at when Playstation was most successful there- the PS1 and PS2 era. They dominated with Japanese gamers cause they catered to them primarily. Now their focus is on Western gamers in their 1st party portfolio.

But… the thing is, that … the best selling games on PS1 and PS2 (aside of GT and everybody golf), were third party…. Not even Sony ones.

The whole “Sony was so dominant from 1996-2005” is not really accurate then.

 

[K' Dash]

It wasn't a fluke at all. Nintendo remained true to themselves- they are a Japanese company. They didn't sell their souls to the USA market to cater for them. They never abandoned their own people in service of the Americans.

Look at when Playstation was most successful there- the PS1 and PS2 era. They dominated with Japanese gamers cause they catered to them primarily. Now their focus is on Western gamers in their 1st party portfolio. It's been a shame seeing Playstation go down that route but VERY comforting seeing Nintendo remain true to their roots.

It's good to see I'm not the only one noticing PS taking the wrong path.

 

[Shadowstar39]

PS5 would sell better in Japan if it got a price cut. When I was there in November the Japanese are dubious about buying it due to the price and the cost of living over there rn.

That and games that aren't just retreads of the same tired franchises. Sorry Horizon obsession with them is getting out of hand. Also killing off uncharted and Drake, Killzone, resistance, warhawk, infamous, days gone... .bad move. They also stopped making Japanese style games. Where is new games like ICO, Last guaridan, Tokyo jungle, last guy, patapon, loco rocco, gravity rush, bloodborne, or some jrpgs legend of dragoon, wild arms, legend of legia etc..

Ps1 -ps3 is where Sony shined in Japan, now, they court, I don't know who, resetera?

 

[DeepEnigma]

ArtHands thread?

ArtHands thread.

 

[ArtHands]

Mr Moose you should start counting from the start of 2005, not from the end of 2005

I can’t quote you for some reason

 

[FreeY$L]

Imagine propping up Japan as a pioneer market like its 2002. Dominating japan is not a big deal at all, the market is dominated by gachas, and low quality mobile games, not something you celebrate, and they have not been relevant since 2005.

 

[SweetTooth]

Imagine propping up Japan as a pioneer market like its 2002. Dominating japan is not a big deal at all, the market is dominated by gachas, and low quality mobile games, not something you celebrate, and they have not been relevant since 2005.

Should I make a thread?

Sony has now trumped Nintendo for 30 years in Europe​

 

[Impotaku]

Imagine propping up Japan as a pioneer market like its 2002. Dominating japan is not a big deal at all, the market is dominated by gachas, and low quality mobile games, not something you celebrate, and they have not been relevant since 2005.

Cope harder lol

 

[Woopah]

Imagine propping up Japan as a pioneer market like its 2002. Dominating japan is not a big deal at all, the market is dominated by gachas, and low quality mobile games, not something you celebrate, and they have not been relevant since 2005.

This article is about the console market, not the mobile phone market. Japan is the second biggest country in the world for console sales and so is certainly a big deal.

Should I make a thread?

Sony has now trumped Nintendo for 30 years in Europe​

You could, but it would be a lie. To be accurate you would have to say:

Sony has now trumped Nintendo for 2 years in Europe

Sony had the best selling hardware in Europe in 2023 and almost certainly in 2024. But it didn't in 2022, 2021, 2020 or 2019 (last one we can't be 100% sure of).

 

[Celine]

Sony has now trumped Nintendo for 30 years in Europe​

Console cumulative hardware sales during the NDS/WII/PSP/PS3/XB360 generation in the main european markets.

United Kingdom:
NDS: 12.3M (as December 2010)
XB360: 9.0M (as June 2015)
WII: 8.4M (as June 2013)
PS3: 5.9M (as June 2015)
PSP: 3.6M (as January 2010)

France:
NDS:10.6M (as December 2016)
WII: 6.3M (as December 2016)
PS3: 5.2M (as December 2016)
PSP: 3.6M (as December 2016)
XB360: 3.4M (as December 2016)

Germany:
NDS: 7.5M (as September 2013)
WII: 4.6M (as September 2013)
PS3: 4.2M (as September 2013)
XB360: 2.4M (as September 2013)
PSP: 2.0M (as September 2013)

Spain:
NDS: 4.5M (as December 2013)
WII: 2.8M (as December 2013)
PS3: 2.5M (as December 2013)
PSP: 2.4M (as December 2013)
XB360: 1.1M (as December 2013)

 

[Orbital2060]

As the graphs and numbers show, there has been a shift towards 3p selling better and better on Nintendo hardware in Japan, and especially from 2018 onwards. To the point that it doesnt make sense to focus on PlayStation anymore. And it looks like tye Switch 2 is going to continue that trend and get a lot of the titles that used to be made for PlayStation. Sonys problem are 1) that theyve used their dominant marketing position to rely more on 3p than developing and maintaining their own IP and are left with a hollowed out IP portfolio, especially after Microsoft bought half the gaming industry in the West and 2) rearranging the button layout on the PS controller to make it more Western and moving the gaming HQ to California in the process. So Nintendo are left with both great 1p sales as well as great 3p sales, and Sony are out of the competition in Japan. Theyre going to have to do something radical to change that in Japan, OR theyve already known these numbers and seen the writing on the wall a long time ago. Hence the moving to USA and leaving Japan behind. To focus on where they are making thr money, in US and Europe.

 

[Mr Moose]

Mr Moose you should start counting from the start of 2005, not from the end of 2005

I can’t quote you for some reason

Yeah it doesn't let you quote quotes if there's nothing else in it.
It's for the calendar year of sales, so it would be the end of 2005, It should be 19 years.

That means Nintendo has now dominated the physical software charts in Japan every year since 2005. In 2004, eight out of the top 10 best-selling games were PS2 titles, but Nintendo has taken the majority of Japan’s top ten sellers every year since.