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Believe what you want but it's pretty clear to why Sony did this in NA and Nintendo did it in Japan.Sony had the same Days of Play sales last year. Doesn't mean a thing.
Believe what you want but it's pretty clear to why Sony did this in NA and Nintendo did it in Japan.Sony had the same Days of Play sales last year. Doesn't mean a thing.
They do though. Sony knows this hence it's big sale during the Switch 2's launch window.
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Yes, PlayStation is a distant market leader in the consoles market (including Nintendo).I dont think the Switch consider the PS5 as a competitor either, considering the sales gap
ExactlyThis reminds me of when Xbox said their real competition was Amazon and Google. Yep. You don't compete with the ones spanking you I suppose.
This reminds me of when Xbox said their real competition was Amazon and Google. Yep. You don't compete with the ones spanking you I suppose.
So Sony shouldn't consider Xbox a competitor either, considering the sales gap and lack of a three year launch difference. You would agree, I'm sure.I dont think the Switch consider the PS5 as a competitor either, considering the sales gap
Interesting comment. When MS inevitably bow out of the hardware game, that will give Sony 100% market share of the 'high performance' gaming market.
Could be interesting regulatory ramifications.
Even when you hear that gaming revenue went up 23 percent during the pandemic, it wasn't from new people, necessarily. It was more money from the same people, and this is the existential threat I talk about when I'm meeting with developers and publishers - that you're just getting more money off the same people. It's a business model I understand, and you understand, and that's fine. But we're not growing the next generation. We're losing the next generation to TikTok. The competition for gaming isn't Xbox and Nintendo. It's everything else in the freaking zeitgeist that can take your time away from your gaming activity.
'High performance market share' is just arbitrarily defined. You can't define a market in a way that excludes Nintendo who owns a significantly large portion of it, if we're discussing the wider industry. And there will never be regulators involved in some silly sub-market like that unless it's economically meaningful, which it isn't.With 100% market share they will come under more regulatory scrutiny for console pricing, access to Sony games, PSN pricing, pricing of digital games, etc.
Let me ask something, does Switch Lite counts as Switch Sales or they are a different sales since the system is full portable ? Isnt a little sus to have a portable counting for the main console ? Isnt this trying to increase sales numbers by any means ?Obviously yeah since they have to pull millions of PS2 sales out oftheir assBrazil to avoid admitting Switch is the best selling system of all time.
The fuck you smoking? You mean Sony should try to gaslight Nintendo fans into thinking Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Animal Crossing aren't fun games?Beating Nintendo is not difficult, you just need to break the bond between Nintendo consumers and Nintendo by attacking the supposed quality of Nintendo products with a campaign. Just get this one and everything will fall like a hanafuda castle.
Sony has no interest in Nintendo losing relevance as they are both Japanese companies.
He's showing his ass constantly and letting us all know why Sony reshuffled him into irrelevancy.Is Shuhei on tour or something?
But if only kids play Nintendo games and grown men play Playstayion, why is Playstation nearly irrelevant in Japan whereas Nintendo is a defacto monopoly?Sony is playing the long game because that population decline is hitting Japan the strongest first.
'High performance market share' is just arbitrarily defined. You can't define a market in a way that excludes Nintendo who owns a significantly large portion of it, if we're discussing the wider industry. And there will never be regulators involved in some silly sub-market like that unless it's economically meaningful, which it isn't.
I highly doubt the CMA even alluded to the idea that Nintendo wasn't a competitive market player because of their hardware proposition. If they made that distinction it would've been related specifically to the evaluation of that investigation.It was the CMA that made the distinction, not me.
I mean, this was their wording ...I highly doubt the CMA even alluded to the idea that Nintendo wasn't a competitive market player because of their hardware proposition. If they made that distinction it would've been related specifically to the evaluation of that investigation.
I mean, this was their wording ...
"We found that Nintendo's consoles compete less closely with either of Xbox or PlayStation, generally offering consoles with different technical specifications, and with its most popular titles tending to be more family- and child-friendly."
Worldwide spanking.Sony is getting spanked in Japan and that's where Yoshida says Sony does consider them to be competition.
Worldwide spanking.
They only compete in the country they get destroyed in? Seems backwards.
Sure, competing less closely, but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the competitive landscape. Just targeting difference audiences. If Xbox disappears, Sony would not have a monopoly, regardless of target audience or hardware offering differential.I mean, this was their wording ...
"We found that Nintendo's consoles compete less closely with either of Xbox or PlayStation, generally offering consoles with different technical specifications, and with its most popular titles tending to be more family- and child-friendly."
Top 5 best-selling first-party games for Sony and Nintendo in Japan
PS5 hardware - 7m
1. GT7(mostly sold from free bundle) - 378k
2. Marvel Spider-man(mostly sold from free bundle) - 324k
3. Horizon Forbidden West(mostly sold from free bundle) - 166k
4. Rise of Ronin - 144k
5. Stellar Blade - 137k
Nintendo Switch hardware - 36m
1. Animal Crossing - 11.3m
2. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet - 8.2m
3. MK8D - 8.1m
4. Smash Ultimate - 7.5m
5. Splatoon 3 - 7.1m
Doesn't matter as even without China Nintendo is the fastest selling console in history.How many million consoles is Nintendo selling in China?
Some of you guys have a funny concept of "the world"
Sure, competing less closely, but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the competitive landscape. Just targeting difference audiences. If Xbox disappears, Sony would not have a monopoly, regardless of target audience or hardware offering differential.
Doesn't matter as even without China Nintendo is the fastest selling console in history.
Adding China would make this even more significant.
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Nintendo destroys everyone in Japan. But Shu and Sony have to claim Nintendo is their competition in Japan to save face. If they admit defeat in home turf Japan it looks bad. But actions speak louder than words and Sony some reason gave up Japan to Nintendo long time ago.
PS5 destroys Xbox sales everywhere, but they see them as competition. It's kinda like it isn't all about just the sales."but outside Japan PlayStation people clearly see Xbox as a primary competition."
which regulatory body is going to do that lolWith 100% market share they will come under more regulatory scrutiny for console pricing, access to Sony games, PSN pricing, pricing of digital games, etc.
Yes PC is a platform. And yes, it's a factor in the broader competitive landscape. But before you get your panties in a twist, we was discussing how competition is actually defined in regulatory/business strategic contexts.Because PCs exist.
If PCs were not a thing, Sony would have the monopoly of super popular games that nobody will play on a Nintendo Switch: GTA, Mihoyo games, Sony's first party and a very long etc.
So no, they aren't in direct 1-to-1 competition, as they are with XBOX and secondly, PC.
The CMA who found that outside of MS, Sony doesn't have any direct competition in concoles?which regulatory body is going to do that lol
You've got the ex-head os Playstation confirming it for everyone. Sony doesn't see Nintendo as competition outside of Japan. Pretty compelling evidence for a regulator I would say.Sure, competing less closely, but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the competitive landscape. Just targeting difference audiences. If Xbox disappears, Sony would not have a monopoly, regardless of target audience or hardware offering differential.
they let MS buy activision blizzard, they ain't doing shitThe CMA who found that outside of MS, Sony doesn't have any direct competition in concoles?
Worldwide spanking.
The CMA said Nintendo compete 'less closely' not 'not at all'. And considering how large Nintendo's Switch install base is, highest software attach rate and global reach, it's ridiculous to suggest they're irrelevant in market share or competitive terms. Monopoly concerns are about market control and consumer harm, and there is absolutely nothing here to be concerned about.You've got the ex-head os Playstation confirming it for everyone. Sony doesn't see Nintendo as competition outside of Japan. Pretty compelling evidence for a regulator I would say.
You've got the ex-head os Playstation confirming it for everyone. Sony doesn't see Nintendo as competition outside of Japan. Pretty compelling evidence for a regulator I would say.
Yes it is.Is it? Hmm, ok
No, that's not a crime, it's more if they come under scrutiny for increasing prices of PS+, or digital games for example. A regulator may say they are doing it because console players have no other option and they're abusing their market position, in which case it's difficult for them to then point at Nintendo if they don't consider them competition.Yeah, but that's not a crime. There would have to be a criminal act for regulators to get involved.
Didn't you hear, the toyota corolla sells like crazy, its definitely beating that ferrari weak red ass.Is it? Hmm, ok
No, that's not a crime, it's more if they come under scrutiny for increasing prices of PS+, or digital games for example. A regulator may say they are doing it because console players have no other option and they're abusing their market position, in which case it's difficult for them to then point at Nintendo if they don't consider them competition.
Didn't you hear, the toyota corolla sells like crazy, its definitely beating that ferrari weak red ass.
And Sony full-throatedly endorsed that market definition.It was the CMA that made the distinction, not me.
I mean this was Sony's doing. They isolated themselves and Xbox into its own market as they whined to government authorities to try to block the Activision buyout. Sony gaslit regulators into thinking PC and Nintendo aren't apart of the same market as PlayStation and Xbox. So if Sony gets targeted by regulators in the future, they get exactly what they deserve. Their actions during the Activision regulatory proceedings was embarrassing.I like how Sony is simultaneously this giant, unassailable monopoly in the games space that requires regulatory bodies all over the world to take down and allow others to compete...while also being some weak brand getting crushed from either side by Switch and Steam. It's a delicate balancing act PCMR and Nintendo fans have to perform on a daily basis.
Stupid thing to say considering the vast (if not all) of their franchises sell more in the USA than they do in JapanWell yeah they play all the kiddie games. Americans play games like adults: CoD, Madden, etc…
I agree, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure any regulator really cares enough. I think the attempt to stop the MS / Activision one was an attempt to be tough on 'Big Tech', but the arguments they used were flawed.Very true. In which case, Sony would reverse course and say Nintendo is definitely competition and lawyers and executives would embrace every and any argument to win. That's the game they play and why it doesn't really matter what any of them say, even if, in this instance, I happen to agree with what is being said.
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