Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]

Not sure if this was mentioned or not, the MLG situation wasn't Nintendo C&Ding them from streaming Brawl, it was them just completely ignoring MLG's asking or w.e. And so MLG didn't want to risk streaming it in case of issues with Nintendo since they never got a response.
 
I hope enough people blow up Nintendo twitter and Facebook so they reconsider...there's still a little time after all. I wonder if Nintendo wanted to run their own ads or something like that (like with youtube let's plays). Overall a really dumb PR move because even though EVO is a pretty big event, the backlash for not allowing evo to be streamed will be greater than the SSB series being shown in a "not Nintendo family friendly" way.
 
Darryl said:
this isn't even close to being an accurate characterization of nintendo. they run their own tournaments with pokemon. taking Smash out of EVO is a very un-Nintendo thing to do, usually they let fans do whatever they want with their stuff.
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Pokemon is managed by the Pokemon company.

Different people running the ship.
 
nintendo could have advertised the upcoming smash bros to 80-100k fighting game fans and instead they choose to say screw you to their hardcore fans.
 
Village said:
Why, when sakurai said himself he would like the new smash to appeal to both audiences.
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Last I read, he wasn't interested in appealing to the competitive market because it didn't matter. Looks like there's a new interview saying that he's looking to the middle ground. I guess we'll ultimately see, but we all know what they were trying to do with Brawl.


Augemitbutter said:
more importantly, did they really consider not streaming KOF? or did the schedule just change?
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I think they're just streaming more KOF.
 
I'm sorry but I see many many posts on Miiverse asking for Smash to be streamed by Evo. There is that stupid minority defending it like there is with everything (which also exists on GAF), but the majority are clearly supporting Smash for Evo to be streamable.
 
It's a shame. Really, Nintendo does not even need the smallest amount of bad PR. Hardcore fans are virtually the only group they have right now for Wii U that might even be the slightest bit interest and they're doing something that could only alienate them.

I really, really hope Nintendo begins to change their ways before it's too late for anything to be salvaged from this gen.
 
Revven said:
Not sure if this was mentioned or not, the MLG situation wasn't Nintendo C&Ding them from streaming Brawl, it was them just completely ignoring MLG's asking or w.e. And so MLG didn't want to risk streaming it in case of issues with Nintendo since they never got a response.
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Yeah, this seems like an issue.

I really hope they release a statement.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
Pokemon is managed by the Pokemon company.
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who cares? there's tons of other examples showing why nintendo doesn't value just the 4 year old and grandmas - the accusation is so ridiculous that it shouldn't exist at all. just today they announced a promo today for Fire Emblem (a nintendo game) and SMT. who do you think that was for?
 
IMGF said:
The best and most effective way of getting them to make changes is to stop buying their products. I mean, I know it sounds impossible to actually make a difference, but if MS reacted to just the backlash of the Xbox One disaster, I think Nintendo would probably do the same with less motivation.
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Usually, yes, but in this case, this is a fallacy. If you boycott the Wii U and Smash Bros U, Nintendo will perceive a problem with the game itself (which there may well be, but let's say it ends up striking a perfect balance between Brawl and Melee for the sake of argument) rather than with this stuff.

Community handling and after care are things that don't directly effect sales (as much). The more powerful route is to cause some strong public discourse that could in turn cause a wider group of people to pass on the game.
 
smurfx said:
nintendo could have advertised the upcoming smash bros to 80-100k fighting game fans and instead they choose to say screw you to their hardcore fans.
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There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
 
GuardianE said:
Last I read, he wasn't interested in appealing to the competitive market because it didn't matter. Looks like there's a new interview saying that he's looking to the middle ground. I guess we'll ultimately see, but we all know what they were trying to do with Brawl.
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Sakurai is just trying to go where the wind blows. Nintendo in 2006-2008 was all about family friendly gaming for everyone, and Sakurai was open about Brawl's direction specifically being tailored towards that philosophy. Nintendo tries to say that they're for everyone, both casual and hardcore, in 2010-2013 and Sakurai talks about how SSBU will seek a middle ground.
 
Darryl said:
who cares? there's tons of other examples showing why nintendo doesn't value just the 4 year old and grandmas - the accusation is so ridiculous that it shouldn't exist at all. just today they announced a promo today for Fire Emblem (a nintendo game) and SMT. who do you think that was for?
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Apparently for both of our mothers.
 
APZonerunner said:
Usually, yes, but in this case, this is a fallacy. If you boycott the Wii U and Smash Bros U, Nintendo will perceive a problem with the game itself (which there may well be, but let's say it ends up striking a perfect balance between Brawl and Melee for the sake of argument) rather than with this stuff.

Community handling and after care are things that don't directly effect sales (as much). The more powerful route is to cause some strong public discourse that could in turn cause a wider group of people to pass on the game.
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Very much agreed.
 
Karsticles said:
How do you explain Bayonetta, then?

Nintendo might be out of touch, and might make a lot of dumb decisions, but I do not think your characterization is accurate.
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Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.

But the people who are saying just kids and grandmas are being idiots.
 
APZonerunner said:
Usually, yes, but in this case, this is a fallacy. If you boycott the Wii U and Smash Bros U, Nintendo will perceive a problem with the game itself (which there may well be, but let's say it ends up striking a perfect balance between Brawl and Melee for the sake of argument) rather than with this stuff.

Community handling and after care are things that don't directly effect sales (as much). The more powerful route is to cause some strong public discourse that could in turn cause a wider group of people to pass on the game.
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If you mix in the strong public discourse in with the boycott of the system/games, I'm not exactly sure why Nintendo would still perceive the fault of the lack of sales be with the game itself.
 
Amir0x said:
It's a shame. Really, Nintendo does not even need the smallest amount of bad PR. Hardcore fans are virtually the only group they have right now for Wii U that might even be the slightest bit interest and they're doing something that could only alienate them.

I really, really hope Nintendo begins to change their ways before it's too late for anything to be salvaged from this gen.
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Iwata should stamp his foot down, convince Miyamoto to create his own team and move on from the Board and then promptly pay off the rest of the old men with big fat pensions.
The old people need to go.
 
APZonerunner said:
Usually, yes, but in this case, this is a fallacy. If you boycott the Wii U and Smash Bros U, Nintendo will perceive a problem with the game itself (which there may well be, but let's say it ends up striking a perfect balance between Brawl and Melee for the sake of argument) rather than with this stuff.

Community handling and after care are things that don't directly effect sales (as much). The more powerful route is to cause some strong public discourse that could in turn cause a wider group of people to pass on the game.
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Agreed. Because Nintendo has their head in the sand with most stuff regarding communities, they need to be told that this isn't okay.

I really wish Nintendo had a booth at comic-con because I would RUN (not walk) to the front of the QA line and demand an answer for this shit.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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But guess what? Casuals aren't going to easily come back to them like they had with the Wii. They moved on.

Nintendo had a chance to get the hardcore back, & right now, they're easily squandering it.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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And the sooner Nintendo realizes that you hit the 5 million casual market by winning over the 100K taste-maker market, the sooner they can start being competitive in western markets.
 
I'm going to the damn tourney, not for Melee but still, and I'm just smh.

Deserve every bit of vitriol pointed at em right now. It's weird to see such a large company just not have a clue (or is it :/).
 
All we want to do is love you Nintendo. THAT'S ALL WE WANT! :(
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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There's an obvious thinking flaw here in that they don't consider that many of those people are brand advocates. They're the people who'd invite friends to play in dorms, at their house, and would organize local events. They're the early adopters that in part drive more people to pick up the console because they had fun with it at a friend's house, or because a close friend can't stop talking out it in real life, on twitter, facebook or etc. Network effects lead to a broader adoption. A lot of casuals look for purchasing advice from that crowd.
 
Hex said:
Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.
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Why should Sega and Inaba care? They get paid either way. It's not like Nintendo is withholding money based on sales (but if it sells well, more money for Inaba and Platinum)

Also, his point about Bayontta is not about having an impact, it's that Nintendo does care about people outside the casual market. Because if they didn't, they wouldn't have funded Bayonetta 2.
 
Hex said:
Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.

But the people who are saying just kids and grandmas are being idiots.
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Why would Sega and Inaba regret anything regarding Bayonetta? Nintendo's the one that's paying for everything.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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And that's gone so well for them thus far in this generation. How many WiiU's did Nintendo sell this month?
 
Village said:
Why, when sakurai said himself he would like the new smash to appeal to both audiences.
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This. While I'm not a big fan of "competitive smash" (I feel the chaotic elements that tend to get banned by the scene add to the game and your reaction to it makes you a better player), being able to play Smash the way you want to is what makes it such a great game. Doing this alienates the most vocal part of the base, and will potentially keep them from buying the next game and dropping support of future entries (they'll just keep playing Melee).

Besides, this is the game that had a built-in tournament mode! If you don't want us to play tourneys, then don't put it in there.
 
Hex said:
Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.

But the people who are saying just kids and grandmas are being idiots.
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Why would they care?

Sega wanted nothing to do with the game to begin with. Nintendo is the only reason the game exists.
 
Hex said:
Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.

But the people who are saying just kids and grandmas are being idiots.
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What about all of the Mature rated ports of games from this generation on the WiiU? I do feel like the Wii U is attempting to gain some traction with the hardcore audience again, but failing to do so.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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they already lost the casual market though. the wiiu's only chance to keep afloat is hardcore nintendo fans.
 
Carpe Libertatem said:
Why should Sega and Inaba care? They get paid either way. It's not like Nintendo is withholding money based on sales (but if it sells well, more money for Inaba and Platinum)

Also, his point about Bayontta is not about having an impact, it's that Nintendo does care about people outside the casual market. Because if they didn't, they wouldn't have funded Bayonetta 2.
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To be honest, your repeated insistence over defending every single move Nintendo has ever made shocks me.
 
InsaneZero said:
Why would Sega and Inaba regret anything regarding Bayonetta? Nintendo's the one that's paying for everything.
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If it sells (which it will due to the dearth of games on the WiiU), it'll be a tidy source of profit for Nintendo, which Sega will miss out on.

Of course, if Sega was going to publish this game, it would be multiplat and would have to go up against the fall line up and new consoles across the entire board, so it would be a much different playing field.

Sega is not regretting their decision. I just feel bad for platinum. Out of bed with a lazy publisher to get in bed with...a lazy publisher.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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So in other words, they're essentially getting nobody with this move? :3
 
Hex said:
Bayonetta means nothing.
Bayonetta is a charity case exclusive that was handed to them when people had delusions of Wii numbers in their eyes. Nintendo and Nintendo fans think that it will have a far bigger impact than reality will display.

And I guarantee that Sega and Inaba right now are regretting every moment of the situation they are in with the title.

But the people who are saying just kids and grandmas are being idiots.
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Yes, because clearly, the game not existing at all was the better option.
 
Dahbomb said:
There aren't after the 100k hardcore market, they are after the 5 million casual market.

The sooner people start to realise this, the easier it is to understand all this.
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They arent getting the 5 million casual markets so they better start taking care of their 100k markets

The sooner nintendo start to realize this, the better
 
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