RoboFu
One of the green rats
lol do not trust everything you read.
Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy (Sony Too)
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Topher
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I don't, but you are missing the point. Forth can still sell his PS5 to someone else.
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Kilau
Member
Shit happens, I don't trust any company so I would feel same if Sony/MS/Apple did this.That'sterritory
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Pikmins will justify EVERYTHING Nintendo does. I wonder where the limit is, or if there's any at all.
Kilau
Member
Or make a new account or still use discs(lol).
They do console bans though for online but the system would still function offline.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
So the future is no physical media, no ownership over digital media and the last remnant of you having something tangible which is the fucking console itself could get obliterated at any moment if the manufacturer so desires?
Future is looking grim to say the least.
Future is looking grim to say the least.
LordOcidax
Member
Everything can happen on any console, even without this implemented, also tech support can be shit without this too… I don't see any issue with this if you don't have plans on breaking the rules.
Topher
Identifies as young
Wait...how is any of that going to work with a bricked console?
"and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part"
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
The first ones to break the rules are those who decide that you don't own any rights over the products you pay for. That's stealing. That practice doesn't fit in any democratic country.
As for tech support... yeah, it's so easy to get in touch with them and get your issues solved overnight...
cyberheater
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Indeed it can't. I don't see how this is even legal. Fair enough having your account permanently banned but actually bricking your console is a step too far.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I guarantee pretty much any ToS you have agreed to in the last couple of years for anything not just consoles includes this arbitration clause. Thank the supreme court. That Disney one would have stuck in the courts as well, forced arbitration for a death in a park because of signing up for a free Disney+ account.
Sony:
"You and Sony agree that all Disputes shall be resolved exclusively through binding arbitration. YOU UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BY AGREEING TO ARBITRATION, YOU ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO LITIGATE (OR PARTICIPATE IN AS A PARTY OR CLASS MEMBER) ANY DISPUTES IN COURT."
Xbox:
"you and Microsoft agree to binding individual arbitration before the American Arbitration Association under the Federal Arbitration Act ("FAA"), and not to sue in court in front of a judge or jury. Instead, a neutral arbitrator will decide."
Epic :
"THESE TERMS CONTAINS A BINDING, INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION AND CLASS-ACTION WAIVER PROVISION. IF YOU ACCEPT THESE TERMS, YOU AND EPIC AGREE TO RESOLVE DISPUTES IN BINDING, INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION AND GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO GO TO COURT INDIVIDUALLY OR AS PART OF A CLASS ACTION, AND EPIC AGREES TO PAY YOUR ARBITRATION COSTS FOR ALL DISPUTES OF UP TO $10,000 THAT ARE MADE IN GOOD FAITH (SEE BELOW)."
Steam removed theirs. I was kinda shocked.
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Kilau
Member
Bricking a system, until now, hasn't been a purposeful feature. If your PS5 bricked during an update or some other error you could get support. If your Switch 2 bricks, good luck convincing Nintendo you did nothing wrong. It's not the same and non pirates have every reason to not like it.
Exactly.
Mownoc
Member
Damn, that's crazy. I'm in the UK so I'm hoping that's illegal here.
The PlayStation agreement on the UK site contains this: "NOTE: IF YOU ARE A UNITED STATES RESIDENT OR A RESIDENT OF A COUNTRY/REGION IN NORTH, CENTRAL OR SOUTH AMERICA, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THIS AGREEMENT CONTAINS A BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER"
So it seems this waiving of legal rights is only applicable to people living in the Americas. Terrible stuff.
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Roman Empire
Member
Another good reason to say "Fuck Nintendo".
cyberheater
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Nintendo Ninjas.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You could just add an intermittent online check. Maybe once every 6 months.
onnextflix5
Banned
If this was legal they would have done it with the current switch 
, yeh fuck u Nintendo
, yeh fuck u Nintendo
tanners
Member
If we're running CFW,Doesn't mean that online check was removed?
RoboFu
One of the green rats
huh both MS and Sony have similar policies and have for a long time. Its not an issue because legit people RARELY ever get a false ban and if they do its easily recovered. These types of systems have records. its not just " trigger and ban without keeping records "
dcx4610
Member
Imagine if Sony released a statement saying the exact same thing. You'd have videos, articles and people boycotting Sony until they reserved course. Nintendo does it? Nothing.
Nintendo reminds me of Disney or Apple where they have such a loyal following that they could actively sabotage you and their fans would thank them for doing it. I grew up with Nintendo and they are the most nostalgic for me but they really come across as a terribly anti-consumer company with unacceptable practices.
Nintendo reminds me of Disney or Apple where they have such a loyal following that they could actively sabotage you and their fans would thank them for doing it. I grew up with Nintendo and they are the most nostalgic for me but they really come across as a terribly anti-consumer company with unacceptable practices.
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FeralEcho
Member
Yeah the irony on these retarded companies is palpable.
Sooner
Member
So if I steal from them, they can just steal from me? Ok.
Regardless, until they actually do this, I wouldn't make too much of this. Like others said, this us typucal ToS, they use just to guard themselves. I doubt they ever literally brick anyone's consoles.
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tanners
Member
Only beaucse they were suing the crap off for removing OtherOS in PS triple
And entire drama afterwards...
Kilau
Member
We aren't talking about a ban, and bans can sometimes be reversed when they were incorrectly issued. A brick is permanent and renders the hardware useless, a banned account or even banned system can still be used offline.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yep. The difference is Sony and Microsoft do not allow a banned console to connect to their services vs Nintendo rendering the device "unusable".
Microsoft:
"A device suspension may include a temporary revoke of privileges on the console (such as communications or multiplayer), whereas a device ban permanently blocks an Xbox console or device from accessing the Xbox network. "
Xbox Support
support.xbox.com
Sony:
"If your console is suspended you will not be able to connect to PlayStation Network with any account."
Suspensions on PlayStation™Network
Learn why we suspend players from PlayStation Network (PSN) and what to do if you are suspended.
www.playstation.com
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Being online allows you to access repositories from where to get pirated games and download them straight into the console, which many people use. There's other things as well, like being on the same network as your PC allowing you to stream your PC games to your Switch via Moonlight.
But not anymore!
Kilau
Member
Right, hopefully we get more clarification on this soon. I'm not canceling my order or anything since I agree it's highly unlikely to happen to a legitimate user but I really don't like it.
Topher
Identifies as young
Vast majority should be fine, but this is simply an overreach on Nintendo's part. Plain and simple.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I call your bluff Nintendo, cracking the fuck out of the next hardware you put out. Will be sitting on firmware 1.00 for as long as it takes until an exploit is out.
You can suck my dick in the meantime.
You can suck my dick in the meantime.
Dacvak
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Damn. Well, I would hope/bet that the first thing hackers figure out is how to disable Nintendo's kill switch. I personally have no interest in piracy, but I love modding my consoles once they're essentially depreciated. Basically all of my Nintendo consoles between N64 and 3DS are modded in one way or another.Being online allows you to access repositories from where to get pirated games and download them straight into the console, which many people use. There's other things as well, like being on the same network as your PC allowing you to stream your PC games to your Switch via Moonlight.
But not anymore!
I guess the silver lining is that Nintendo historically always ultimately loses to hackers. I would expect the Switch 2 to be no different.
Sebastian1295
Member
Most anti-consumer company in the gaming industry and that includes EA and Activision. Nintendo are a shell of who they once were as a company and frankly the crap they're doing nowadays is embarrassing and pathetic.
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Crispy Gamer
Member
I didn't know that was even possible 
if allowed I could see a future where they'll brick consoles for online cheating 
if allowed I could see a future where they'll brick consoles for online cheating 
wipeout364
Member
Seems unnecessary and over the top. Honestly though I have bought every console Nintendo has released but I barely used my Switch, so I was going to pass on switch 2 anyway. Seems crazy but I guess I don't have the time for it. If I want to play something switch is a distant fourth after Xbox, PC and then PS5 hence the reason it is never used.
I have moved on to the Steam Deck for portable gaming, for me it's a much better system in pretty much every aspect.
I have moved on to the Steam Deck for portable gaming, for me it's a much better system in pretty much every aspect.
jshackles
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They probably wanted to do this to Switch 1 consoles, but realized they couldn't legally break people's hardware without them first agreeing to having their hardware broken.
I'd also like to see this challenged in court, because as far as I'm aware (I'm not a lawyer) no company has intentionally bricked hardware like this before. There have been a few lawsuits revolving around devices that rely on internet services that essentially stop working when the service shuts down (like, imagine if Ring went offline and suddenly your doorbell becomes worthless). The courts have rules in favor of software companies in the sense of like traditional console bans - companies can choose to cut off the devices from their services if you violate the terms of use. But even EULAs can't bypass consumer protection laws.
I'd also like to see this challenged in court, because as far as I'm aware (I'm not a lawyer) no company has intentionally bricked hardware like this before. There have been a few lawsuits revolving around devices that rely on internet services that essentially stop working when the service shuts down (like, imagine if Ring went offline and suddenly your doorbell becomes worthless). The courts have rules in favor of software companies in the sense of like traditional console bans - companies can choose to cut off the devices from their services if you violate the terms of use. But even EULAs can't bypass consumer protection laws.
Zacfoldor
Member
Honestly we just had a thread where Sony permabanned a dude and would not give an explanation why. He lots tons of games. This kind of thing happens everywhere. That's why I don't play online games much on my Sony account. Too risky. One mass report and you lose all your games and also never get an explanation as to why.
This Nintendo situation is not relevant to me because I'm not a pirate or a cheater so my console will never be locked. However I may be mass reported and my games taken away by Sony. Much more likely to happen.
Let's say they pass a law that says thieves get their hands cut off. Do you know why I wouldn't be worried?
GoldenEye98
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I kinda get banning people from using online or whatever as a deterrent....but straight up bricking the device seems like a step too far imo
Zacfoldor
Member
I can think of only a on example. Apple bricks devices when access is attempted without proper transferal from the original owner. However, the device can be transferred still, as long as the original owner logs in with their apple id and removes the block. This was done because cell phone theft was becoming a huge issue so apple made it to where if you steal a phone or even buy a stolen phone, you can't use it, thus eliminating the issue completely.
This simply eliminates the issue of a jailbroken theft Switch 2. People don't need to steal games that I have to pay for, so I'm 100% for it. I think honestly if you download a game and play it for free that other people are having to pay for you are a thief. You can call it something pretty or whatever but it is what it is. Don't jailbreak your Switch 2 folks.
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Mistake
Member
You're right to be concerned. I had a ps3 controller that stopped charging once. Customer service asked me a bunch of questions to see if there was a remote possibility they could blame me for it. Luckily I caught on and got it fixed, but who the heck knows, you could say anything and have them deny you. I heard people had a hard enough time fixing their switch controllers. But this situation really is ridiculous. Say you change the tires on your car, and the car manufacturer comes to your house and sets it on fire
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neocycle
Member
What if it doesn't need to? It just executes the bricking offline, built into all new Nintendo games. I guess pirates would quickly find a way to prevent that though.
tkscz
Member
*Hackers figure out way around the lockout like three months into Switch 2's life*
Then it sounds like you don't follow these things closely to me.
Then it sounds like you don't follow these things closely to me.
Zacfoldor
Member
I mean, everything is possible in the world, but Nintendo customer service is pretty good. Sony customer service won't give you a reason if they permaban your account.
Alright, enough defending here, but honestly doesn't everyone get tired of how arbitrary and meaningless it all is. This is a meaningless story. It will never affect anyone in this thread and is likely targeted at a very specific group of people who are stealing Switch games and selling jailbroken switches. Anyone using their console regularly, ie 99.999999999999999999 percent of people will never, ever know this is a thing. It's more meaningless than the cmos batter in the ps5. Yet we "motherfuck" nintendo, Sony, Xbox, and lately PC every chance we get. I think we all just have some unresolved anger issues.
Horseganador
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