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[MaestroMike]

Asia has billions of people with a manufacturing base large enough that they can produce at scale and still make a profit charging lower prices while lifting themselves out of poverty and transitioning to higher margin more lucrative industries we helped those countries and populations big time and got them out of poverty eventually they'll be making enough money and wages will rise enough that their manufacturing costs will increase and it will make more sense to bring manufacturing jobs back to America plus we'll be able to sell our products back at them since they'll be able to afford more of our goods if u really want to think long term we need to use their way more affordable labour and save and invest the money we would save from having more affordable goods into more lucrative higher margin industries/manufacturing. Free trade will always be king not protectionism. These tariffs are bad news for everyone I wish Nintendo released the console last year gamers would've been better off

 

[nikos]

Vietnam (where Switch 2 is produced) is folding. They want to make a deal with the US.


You're correct it's around 40%.

Switch 2 about to come in at $399 with $69 games lol

 

[Kacho]

After: I'm in my 40s and can no longer afford luxury children's toys

Speak for yourself. At least you have Game Pass.

 

[XXL]

Switch 2 about to come in at $399 with $69 games lol

 

[analog_future]

The fact that I was able to procure my 5090 at MSRP seems like more and more of a miracle every day.

 

[Orpheus]

Serious question, but how is that really possible? The tariffs are inherently political.

You are correct, it is. The line here is party politics, Trump, left vs right, etc. This thread should be able to discuss the impact of tariffs on Nintendo and gaming in general without venturing into these other areas.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I don't think Nintendo will raise prices. These tariffs just give Nintendo the opportunity to play the good guy. They will now say their original high prices are necessary due to the tariffs and we are supposed to be thankful. It's obvious.

 

[captainnapalm]

America is probably the only country with the clout to play this tariff game. Every country is going to end up negotiating. Also they know exactly where Trump is coming from and what he wants - no shady layers upon layers of bs to figure out - he's open to making a deal.

 

[alphachino]

Imagine paying $630 usd for a switch 2 with mobile graphics.... Couldn't be me . This thing might actually bomb like Wii U due to tarriffs.

can only hope. my prediction of 60m lifetime unit sales is looking mighty fine at the moment

 

[BbMajor7th]

And no one here knows how to stop it. Politicians will just shut the blinds and keep playing musical chairs as taxes go up.

Nobody wants to take the hit: most of the political and corporate class have vast wealth tied up in the status quo and most lower- and middle-class voters don't want to sacrifice the affordability of luxury products like consumer electronics made possible by global economic disparity. Ultimately, something's got to give: if you want to bring high-quality manufacturing jobs back to major developed economies, you're gonna have to pony up way more money for goods. They'll likely be better quality, more environmentally sustainable, and more ethically defensible, but you'll be paying a lot more. I think that's a worthwhile trade-off personally, big time, but I know I'm an outlier.

 

[ReBurn]

If Vietnam reduces tariffs to zero and the US drops tariffs in response then the price should go down, right? Right? I already know the answer.

 

[Shifty1897]

Vietnam will cut a deal. Switch 2 pricing will stay the same.

Foreign car manufacturers, though, they're screwed.

 

[Days like these...]

I guess it's going to cost a Brazilian dollars here too.

Thats why we should all just being playing the megadrive

 

[Madonis]

America is probably the only country with the clout to play this tariff game. Every country is going to end up negotiating.

You can't negotiate with someone who keeps moving the goalposts and doesn't understand basic economics. Better to wait 4 years (at most) for the vast majority of these tariffs to be walked back. Or, for instance, do you think Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are suddenly going to shift any significant percentage of their console production, etc. to the U.S. for shits and giggles? Nope, that's unrealistic.

 

[MrJangles]

The world is bigger than the USA.

Nintendo has sold 104m Switch units outside the US. One could argue on that fact its an irrelevant market

I'm sure in 2017 coming off the back of the WiiU if Nintendo were offered 100m+ worldwide and zero in the US they would have taken that!

 

[TacoSavage]

Sorry pal, I can't hear you over all teh FREEDOMS

i am not your pal, thats one. two: it must be fun laughing at your own jokes, i thought this was neogaf not resetera..

i am not a trump apologist, just expressing that you sound like a child with zero understanding of how our economy has been hollowed out the last two decades and he is the only president with a spine to do something about it

 

[Portugeezer]

Switch: 2 Jobs

 

[Draugoth]

Americans are about to experience India and Brazil hardware purchase experience

 

[XXL]

Americans are about to experience India and Brazil hardware purchase experience

Vietnam wants to make a deal to drop the Tariffs.

 

[Boo Who?]

If they raise their prices on the console, or even the games, Switch 2 will be a hard pass for me until it comes down in price. Its already at the upper limit of what I think that thing is actually worth to me.

 

[WhereIzJP]

Should have revealed last year and launch in Feb or March.

 

[Draugoth]

Vietnam wants to make a deal to drop the Tariffs.

99.9% sure there will be no deal

 

[XXL]

99.9% sure there will be no deal

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Americans are about to experience India and Brazil hardware purchase experience

We don't live in a Third World country my dude. Our experience is going to be nothing like theirs. We actually have money.

 

[FewRope]

I just going to say, with my Switch already payed... lmao

 

[nbkicker]

It won't just be switch, ps5 and ps5 pro will hit the hike as well as a load of electronics in USA gonna sky rocket

 

[captainnapalm]

You can't negotiate with someone who keeps moving the goalposts and doesn't understand basic economics. Better to wait 4 years (at most) for the vast majority of these tariffs to be walked back. Or, for instance, do you think Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are suddenly going to shift any significant percentage of their console production, etc. to the U.S. for shits and giggles? Nope, that's unrealistic.

The tariffs are reciprocal - so they just need to adjust their own tariffs. Almost one in three Nintendo Switches were sold in the US. They're not going to jeapardize those sales.

 

[Portugeezer]

I don't think Nintendo will raise prices. These tariffs just give Nintendo the opportunity to play the good guy. They will now say their original high prices are necessary due to the tariffs and we are supposed to be thankful. It's obvious.

It has a high price in all regions, so that wouldn't make sense.

 

[FewRope]

Vietnam wants to make a deal to drop the Tariffs.

Oh no no no...

 

[FeralEcho]

Companies have to raise the price because of the tariffs that's a fact. The question is if they go further than the asked tariff.

Ofc they will lmao I've yet to see a corporation that isn't greedy. A corporation without some greedy cunt in charge may as well be a myth nowadays.

All they needed was an excuse,good ol' Orange Head offered them just that.

Pucker up everyone cuz we're about to get f'ed.

 

[Gamer79]

2008 was the result of de-industrialising the west and centering our economies around banking. The tarriffs are intended to reverse that.

Tech companies may move production to the US, or they might think that all they have to do is just outlast Trump.

Whether it works or not is debateable, but we can't go on forever making nothing and printing money, going further and futher into debt whilst slaves in Asia make all our stuff.

My country (UK) will probably be one of the first to go bankrupt.

Tarrif's have worked in the past. Back in the 1800's the country was mostly funded by Tarrifs and times were prosperous. I don't think what My country is asking is Unreasonable, They are asking for the same amount that you charge us. You charge us 20% we charge you 20%. If you don't want to pay higher tarrifs then drop your tarriff on us. It's an unfair advantage for foreign countries the way it presently is. We charge some countries a 2% tarriff and in return they charge us 40%.

Better yet in the bigger picture this will lead to American companies actually moving back to America. Instead of benefitting from cheaper foreign labor they will move back to this country and hire Americans. Apple and Meta has already combined $1 trillion dollars investing back into this country. Many more are following suit. It will have an immediate net negative but I believe will be great for us in the bigger picture.

But as far as Nintendo it was slimy what people were doing. People were blaming Tarrifs on why the Switch 2 game prices were so high but now we know that was bullshit.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Couldn't Nintendo just use Canada as an intermediary for US orders?

 

[MrJangles]

i am not your pal, thats one. two: it must be fun laughing at your own jokes, i thought this was neogaf not resetera..

i am not a trump apologist, just expressing that you sound like a child with zero understanding of how our economy has been hollowed out the last two decades and he is the only president with a spine to do something about it

$2.5 trillion wiped off the stock markets in a few hours. Delighted for you and President Spine, pal

 

[BbMajor7th]

You are correct, it is. The line here is party politics, Trump, left vs right, etc. This thread should be able to discuss the impact of tariffs on Nintendo and gaming in general without venturing into these other areas.

This is how all political discussions should be. The person in charge and which 'side' they're on is mostly irrelevant. What affects your everyday life are the actual policies that get passed. The detail of various bills and initiatives and the outcomes they drive. If we all talked more about that, politicians would spend way more time making shit work and a lot less trying to confect meaningless outrage that serves absolutely nobody.

 

[Z O N E]

As an accountant that had to deal with the tariffs the last time. They already baked the tariffs into the $450 - $500 price . I 100% guarantee you. They didn't announce those prices right before April 2 knowing damn well what Trump was going to do.

If they raise it again (which Nintendo will because their greed knows no bounds) they are just double dipping. It is also a good way to get people to stop shitting on Nintendo and to shit on Trump instead.

I mean, yes they baked in tariffs for what they EXPECTED, which was probably about 10%. No one expected 46% on Vietnam... Even the markets are telling you that.

If this was BEFORE Trump, the console would probably be $400 or $450 with Mario Kart. Then the EXPECTED tariffs hit their head and so they upped it to the $450-$500 price point so they can get some profit back.

It's either they sell the console at a loss in the USA, or raise the price even more, OR they'll up the price elsewhere to make up for the loss in profit in the USA.

 

[Kittehkraken]

Vietnam (where Switch 2 is produced) is folding. They want to make a deal with the US.


You're correct it's around 40%.

Folding? The average tariff from Vietnam is 9% while Trump was going to hit them with 46%.

Its not folding when a mob boss holds a gun to your head telling you he wants another $1000 or else.

 

[FeralEcho]

There seems to be a certain segment of the population that gets off on seeing other people distressed/suffering, even if it means shooting yourself in the foot. Like you've gone against your better judgement and made things bad for yourself, but the thought of someone else freaking out keeps you warm at night. Like why? What kind of childhood did you people have.

"Misery loves company"

It's the mentality of trully weak people who will never raise above their standing and will always blame others for their situation regardless if It's fair or not.

 

[TacoSavage]

.

 

[Superkewl]

Hope it's just the US and not other countries. The rest of us should just get the already announced prices.

 

[XXL]

Folding? The average tariff from Vietnam is 9% while Trump was going to hit them with 46%.

I'm not folding when a mob boss holds a gun to my head telling me he wants another $1000 or else.

They'll fold like a wet blanket.

US is where the money is.

Vietnams GPD is about half of what the US spends on their military annually.

 

[FewRope]

The actual coping in this thread is insane holy shit

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Its not folding when a mob boss holds a gun to your head telling you he wants another $1000 or else.

Isn't this the very definition of folding?

 

[Fabieter]

Folding? The average tariff from Vietnam is 9% while Trump was going to hit them with 46%.

Its not folding when a mob boss holds a gun to your head telling you he wants another $1000 or else.

Average tariffs is a good point. Also stuff that's Subsidies in the billions. Why would you want 0% tariffs on a product that's getting subsidized by a foreign country. It's alot more complicated that people think it is.

 

[Draugoth]

We don't live in a Third World country my dude. Our experience is going to be nothing like theirs. We actually have money.

I'm talking about overpriced hardware.

 

[poppabk]

The tariffs are reciprocal - so they just need to adjust their own tariffs. Almost one in three Nintendo Switches were sold in the US. They're not going to jeapardize those sales.

Who isn't going to jeopardize those sales? Vietnam isn't making money off selling Switches, they will only reduce tariffs (if they do) to protect their manufacturing base.

 

[TacoSavage]

$2.5 trillion wiped off the stock markets in a few hours. Delighted for you and President Spine, pal

ahh worried about the immediate fallout, we all know markets are going to crash, he even said to be patient because the long term benefits will far outweigh the short term falls

if you have children you should be a lot more interested in the country they will inherit rather than what your portfolio shows 24hrs after tariffs took off again demonstrating short term thinking and emotional takes on just about everything i assume

trump is leveraging the importance of the us market worldwide and just sit and watch countries fold, mexico already has, canada and now vietnam where 60% of nike goods are manufactured..

japan has so much regulation that its impossible to sell our cars there, yet they flood our markets with their cars..same with europe..

maybe start a company so you can better understand before you embarrass yourself sounding like you still live in your mom's attic dude. 2.5 trillion wiped off the market, what else did you expect, all toddlers kick and scream before they finally give in and go for a hug..

 

[Madonis]

The tariffs are reciprocal - so they just need to adjust their own tariffs. Almost one in three Nintendo Switches were sold in the US. They're not going to jeapardize those sales.

You can't seriously claim the tariffs are reciprocal when the numbers on the table used for comparison are not accurate at all (for instance, putting 10% tariffs on countries that aren't applying anything remotely like that to the U.S.), so the whole premise is rotten. It's an exercise born from mostly bad faith.

In any event, videogames are luxury items at the end of the day. People can learn to live without them or at least with less of them, but they'll remember why prices went up and most folks aren't going to be so kind as to just bite the bullet with a smile on their face. Just like gaming companies aren't going to magically keep the price down or even drop it simply because of a certain country's bad policy decisions.

 

[EviLore]

This is bad for the economy and bad for consumer pockets --> *thunderous applause*

 

[XXL]

Isn't this the very definition of folding?

They prefer to lie to themselves constantly.....like John G.

 

[bender]

This is bad for the economy and bad for consumer pockets --> *thunderous applause*