AmethystEnd
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Yep, I definitely meant with no buffs to keep up.
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Yep, I definitely meant with no buffs to keep up.
Grumplestiltskin
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Does anyone happen to know if Ninjutsu scaling, Agil or Equip Weight bonuses scale with Bare handed damage? Or perhaps armor bonus stat scaling like Obsidian set's A rank stam scaling?
Yea that's understandable. kato is low maintenance. I personally dont mind the extra maintenance required for Kara or Tengen so they come out on top for me. Its personal preference really. But I would say that the extended elemental effect from Tengen is really nice but so is Kato's Ki Regen sooo haha both are good choices I think.
Yea that's understandable. kato is low maintenance. I personally dont mind the extra maintenance required for Kara or Tengen so they come out on top for me. Its personal preference really. But I would say that the extended elemental effect from Tengen is really nice but so is Kato's Ki Regen sooo haha both are good choices I think.
This is such an amazing post. How much stamina and strength do you need to get to B agility ranking? And have you played around with some of the new armour effects like bonus from Amrita absorption(attack) and bonus after purification(attack)? They seem to all stack on things like carnage talisman and tengen high stance buff. Tengen really is the MVP though.
Also I have omnyo magic duration boost (carnage talisman) B but it only gives me like 3 extra seconds when without it. Could be due to just having 20 magic though.
There is also a new weapon special effect equipment weight damage bonus which apparently can go up to AA. Do you reckon it stacks with Tatenashi set?
So, finished the main campaign yesterday (
). Now I unlocked all the two-boss side missions and the DLC mission.
Unfortunately, I feel like I've hit a big roadblock; can't finish a single one of the two-boss missions, and the boss of the first DLC mission completely annihilates me.
I'm level 117 so I feel insanely underpowered. Any suggestion on the best way to grind for a bit?
damn those clone Kelleys were terribly hard
Unfortunately, I feel like I've hit a big roadblock; can't finish a single one of the two-boss missions, and the boss of the first DLC mission completely annihilates me.
I'm level 117 so I feel insanely underpowered. Any suggestion on the best way to grind for a bit?
Try heading into the next difficulty and going through the first mission, it won't be a cakewalk but it's easier than the DLC or the duels. Take it slow and you'll get through with a bunch of extra levels and most of your gear replaced in just one mission.I'm level 117 so I feel insanely underpowered. Any suggestion on the best way to grind for a bit?
Completely skipped the fact that a new difficulty was unlocked, thanks!
Grumplestiltskin
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I'm glad people found it helpful. Over the next week or so I'm going to be using a bare handed build to try and get some more reliable damage scaling figures from various scaling effects, set perks and how they work. I'll be posting my findings here once I do.
Equipment weight bonus on weapons is the same bonus that you get from tatenashi and just like Agil and Familiarity bonuses it does not stack. Pet of the reason the tatenashi set bonus is so great is that it allows for an additional scaling effect on top of the 2 one normally gets from their weapon and ranged wep.
As far as the buffs from Amrita absorption the attack increase one while it does stack with other buffs it appears to be additive not multiplicative. I personally actually find the ki recovery boost to be much more beneficial. That said I haven't tested these effects as extensively as most others yet so this is far from conclusive it's just my initial impressions.
As far as the duration bonus goes it seems to work off a raw percentage of total buff time so longer buffs benefit much more from them. Worth noting that this does seem to stack with the duration increase mastery for Omnyo though I still prefer the quick casts. That said every bit of extra time on rotations buffs is a big help that's why even at C rank to the extraction talisman i find it to be fairly beneficial simply because how regularly I rely on that spell with Tengen even if it is only an additional second or two it can add up.
Also it's worth mentioning that another reason the tatenashi set is so beneficial is that there seems to be some damage scaling with higher weight just as a default without the tatenashi perk factoring in. At around 31 I noticed that I was hitting around 5% harder all else being equal and that does seem to stack with the tatanshi bonus as well.
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As far as my stat splits go I'm currently using 27 Stam and 40 Str with the aforementioned gear. My total stay layout is as follows
Level 328
Body: 15
Heart: 99
Stam: 27
Strength: 40
Skill: 99
Dex: 30
Magic: 30
Spirit: 30
All future points will go into strength until it's capped and then likely Stam so I can start equipping a medium armor chest piece instead of light armor.
Worth mentioning to hit B rank agility with this equipment you only need 27 stamina and 13str. This is just my current stat allotment.
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GoldenCrow
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So, finished the main campaign yesterday (). Now I unlocked all the two-boss side missions and the DLC mission.damn those clone Kelleys were terribly hard
Unfortunately, I feel like I've hit a big roadblock; can't finish a single one of the two-boss missions, and the boss of the first DLC mission completely annihilates me.
I'm level 117 so I feel insanely underpowered. Any suggestion on the best way to grind for a bit?
Exact same thing happened to me. I thought the last area was super easy and finished everything off went to do the duel bosses and boss rush missions and got completely fucked up (lv 109 and highest armour was lv132), can usually get most down to half health before I just get hit with combo from them at the same time. Almost did two kings first try though with no buffs, debuffs or living weapon but was too knackered to attempt again but I had replayed their fights many times.
I did start the NG+ missions and they felt much easier and thought it a good idea to start fighting revenants with divine gear but whats with nearly all revenants wearing divine red demon gear? The perks don't seem that good.
"Master Swordsman 4 piece, Tatanashi 3 piece, Kingo's 2 piece" but you have 3 master, 2 tatanashi and 1 kingo. I have noticed other high level builds that say similar but are getting the set perks with one less armour, is there a perk later on in the game that does this?
From NG+ onwards you can find a divine accessory called "Yasakani Magatama" that decreases set requirements by 1. You cannot stack two of them
Everything? Maybe 3-4 hours, with NG+ it'll take longer.
Btw welcome back!
I think I'll respec and use Axe build, it helps because the long sword uses the same stats as well.
I love the dual swords but that uses different stats.
Used to spend my points on dual swords and axe, but I think my damage is weak now, well not weak but can be a lot better.
AmethystEnd
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Ayyy, you're back. I did all the DLC missions in NG+ mode in about 4 hours.
Only the weapon currently in use gives bonuses, but your bonuses from the ranged weapon currently equipped will apply to your melee weapon in use. So if you have Agility Damage Bonus on bow and your bow is the one you have currently equipped, then it will also apply to your melee weapon
Thanks! and how about set bonuses? If I equip a weapon of a set does it count towards the set pieces even though I don't use it?
Yep.
4 hours, that's really great!
I'm so short for time that I haven't even started Nier and that was the only other game I wanted to finish before E3 haha.
I was lucky to have binged this when I did.
This is also lovely for an all purpose hard hitting low maintenance build which I also am a big fan of(low maintenance)! Thank you AmethystEnd for the video. You guys have been tremendous help, appreciate it.
Today is build mix n' match day in Nioh lol. Really wish I would've saved some +20 attack transferable gloves before this patch randomized drops. I'm gonna miss the +40 attack on every piece when trying new builds.
Welcome back Izuna.
Grumplestiltskin
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Hmm bare handed seems wayyyyy too reliant on buffs. Maybe i just need better rolls on my gear for it. Weird that they'd go out of their way to give you stuff to increase bare hand damage if it's not viable
That's disappointing to read. A viable bare handed build would've been a very fun challenge on WotD.
Grumplestiltskin
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Yea. I was really looking forward to playing around with one but its just incredibly frustrating and not fun at all. I'm really disappointed
Guess I'll try making a thrown weapon build instead
I hear ya. I became a fan of bare handed playstyle after that Kensei title. Loved how it put you in such a zen-like state.Yea. I was really looking forward to playing around with one but its just incredibly frustrating and not fun at all. I'm really disappointed
Guess I'll try making a thrown weapon build instead
Damnit TN, make bare handed viable pls. I know your peoples read this.
AmethystEnd
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They really should've given us a barehanded moveset and skills.
Maybe they'll add gauntlet/claw weapons in a future dlc.
Maybe they'll add gauntlet/claw weapons in a future dlc.
Let's goooo!
Do you guys recommend me rerolling any of the special effects for my current yokai shredder btw? Wish it had better base break. Still chasing that CTA(Skill) A+ transferable ;_;
AmethystEnd
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I've always wondered if each damage attribute truly affects damage in the same way.
For example, does +20% Close Combat Damage add the same amount of damage to Sign of the Cross as +20% Skill Damage, or is there some kind of multiplier fuckery that's hard to see?
Any way, I'd personally get straight up Close Combat Damage over specifically Skill Damage.
Edit: Oh wait, I didn't notice that was Skill Ki Damage, and also didn't notice you have Youkai Close Combat Damage locked in.
Never mind, lololol.
Yes, that is something I would like to know as well. Been trying to roll CCD on my weapon that has SOTC damage up and I'm not sure if they conflict or not. Also what is up with all these new effects like damage against Amrita fiend up. The values are generally even lower than straight CCD. For specific enemy effects to be even remotely worth it, they should have values of like 50% or something.
Haha yea that's my only gripe and maybe I should just go for a 20% CCD Master swordman's sword instead of this one? Humans sometimes piss me off with this dual sword even though it does the job. I just need that massive damage on inflicted on everyone lol.
I also don't know regarding specific skill damage like sign of cross & if it adds it on top of the CCD. I hope so but that's gonna be a pain to forge/roll lol.
Grumplestiltskin
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That dual kat is a terrible endgame weapon due to its locked in perks. It's meant as a starter weapon. Forge yourself some Master Swordsman Kats or O-Kanehira & Uguisumaru or Hige-Kiri & Hiza-Maru or Fudo Kuniyuki & Yahen Toshiro. All of those would be a huge improvement over what you currently have just from a stat standpoint. Master swordsman has the added perk of being part of arguably the best set out there for dual Kats.
AmethystEnd
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Yep, I'd rather die than not have Sign of the Cross +30% damage.
GwyndolinCinder
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Gonna stream the rest of dlc finally -_____-
https://youtu.be/iw3a68OhbaY
WB izuna, nioh gaf stop getting yourself banned plz.
https://youtu.be/iw3a68OhbaY
WB izuna, nioh gaf stop getting yourself banned plz.
Grumplestiltskin
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You know what's even better? Set bonus sign of the cross + weapon roll sign of the cross + weapon roll skill damage. Whooo boy it never gets old
Yea sadly I realized this too late.
Got a ton of each you listed but gonna try to find a Master Swordsman one with all special effects unlocked. I got a shit ton of divine ones with all but one slot occupied. I need one with sign of cross skill + the added master swordsman sign of cross perk added lol.
I have been unbanned for a long time
Just had to stop day after the update.
Did we get a new weapon type?
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing with 24.7% Weapon SOTC damage and 21% skill damage too. Using 5pc Kingo's/4pc master Swordsman and its shredding through things. Do you know if SOTC conflicts with CCD though?
Also I've noticed something weird when stacking lots of final blow damage almost like there are some hidden diminishing returns at some point.
I wouldn't be surprised if this game stopped you from getting more than +100% in the equation.
Grumplestiltskin
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As soon as I reroll that c rank equipment weight perk into high rank agil or Familiarity this is going to be the perfect weapon. Master swordsman set with added sign of the prods damage roll, pierce guard and 22 water damage! I could also transfer something a bit better than close combat life drain but I like the survivability boost.
Welcome back dude. Not only did we get a new weapon type (Odachi) you will be more excited to know that there is an Okatsu skin now.
Sexy effects, I want! What's the best way of acquiring something like this? Forging, drops through beating missions, or buying sacred treasure weapon from tea house?
AmethystEnd
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Wasn't your ban one that you asked for? I remember you asking for a short ban.
GwyndolinCinder
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I'm like 90% sure odachi is trash ):
Grumplestiltskin
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This one was a drop from a DLC twilight mission.
Oh, that was like 48 hours. I smashed that exam 😊
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Okatsu costume...
You mean, I get to be Bae?!
Odachi is long sword right? Sounds like I gotta use it for the whole DLC.
Yeah, not a fan either. Tried it for few hours and noped out.
Oh that's one hell of a drop. Must find the perfect dual sword.
Edit: New dual sword heavy tank build(zero elemental damage taken) by Fuzzy Bearbarian:
https://youtu.be/HAQnJ-s_HsA
I personally soul matched with purple 70%+ gear to get em to highest levels for cheap. And then rerolled desirable new special effects.
Not sure which is best route though.
That I can do so is great. I think I got a +10 Katana that has all the perks I wanted.
Damnit I wish I could play tonight
already bought the dlc and everything