Startling evidence you have there.
No we can still blame the police. They don't appear to assess the situation very and just starting shooting. I think they share just as much blame as the 911 guy.
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No Indictment in Ohio Wal-Mart Police Shooting
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Startling evidence you have there.
Alligatorjandro
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Wow that's bullshit
Better than guessing that he's a black US American because apparently black US Americans aren't apart of the country now like you've claimed.
Canada, actually.
Look, I get that I'm being hyperbolic, but I just can't stand how every single day these gross miscarriages of injustice happen. Why do your cops constantly get away with this shit? I can't think of a single other first world country where this shit flies.
I gave you a likely scenario based on personal experience in this country as a black man and you gave some bullshit joke you pulled out of your ass.
Quite a few black people don't feel like they are apart of or included in this country... but you wouldn't know anything about that would you.
Close enough... Canada is our 51st state.
Oh forget it then. Move on everybody!
Massive Duck. C.M.
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SlickShoesRUCrazy
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so, that whio video, the cops ran up and shot him without him even knowning what was going on, he jumped like he was terrified to the back of the aisle he was in, and then he came out again and even though he was "disarmed" they continued shooting him?
Brian Griffin
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...And I guessed right.
You guessed that I was black?
Version 3.0
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I would say the police are more to blame. Any cop in the world can tell you that the situation reported on the call is rarely exactly as described. And any kid with a TV can tell you that you have to yell "drop the gun!" before shooting the "bad guy".
Noooooo... That the dude wasn't US American.
ratcliffja
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Someday we'll look back on historical events like this and the Trayvon Martin case and be glad that things are so much better. And then we'll make the same mistakes.
Dreams-Visions
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GOTTA BE SURE.
Jmanunknown
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The grand jury which was most likely heavily white given greene county's 85 percent white population probably do not identify with the victim and are most likely to identify with the two white officers who killed the innocent man. All the jury probably saw is scary black man with gun he must have deserved it.
CrazyDogg77
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Black people get extra lives. You know I wish I could say I was shocked by this but I can't...at all. It's happened so many times it doesn't strike me as new anymore.
Well they probably came into the situation thinking he was threatening people based on the phone call from that piece of shit. Everything after that is their fault though.
Well big fucking gold star for you! He was also correct about this country and the people who live in it though.
He was only shot twice. Once in the elbow and once in the liver and none after the weapon was dropped. The cop you see approaching from the front on the video after did not shoot at all.
Gordon Shumway
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The actual 911 call doesn't seem as embellished as the interviews he seemed to give right after. Hard to make a case against him based on the calls alone and that is what the police were responding to.
Laughing Black
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If you have a usual routine that keeps producing errors, it's logical to change it, right?
Like in this case? Some sort of standardized procedure that still results in disturbing quantities of young black males without weapons to be accidentally shot?
Maybe human beings should not risk each other's lives on "standard" procedures if it keeps killing innocent people?
Just me though, I'm conservative like that.
Vicetrailia
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This entire situation, Ohio open carry, the witnesses and their racist suspecion and lies, the situation of the shooting, and the cops lies...there is no justice, it cannot be had.
Jmanunknown
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This little bit of info was in article about the case
http://www.wlwt.com/news/justice-de...oting-of-fairfield-man/28220038#ixzz3EG5bgoES
Also the family and its attorney seem to think the prosecutor never really pushed hard for indictment and after hearing what he said at the press conference i'm inclined to believe them.
http://www.wlwt.com/news/justice-de...oting-of-fairfield-man/28220038#ixzz3EG5bgoES
Also the family and its attorney seem to think the prosecutor never really pushed hard for indictment and after hearing what he said at the press conference i'm inclined to believe them.
Gordon Shumway
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You, sir, are mad..seek help. Too much logic..
Not even a question..
I don't have it in me to watch him be shot but based on the information I do know and have read, this decision is wrong. The police should be held accountable for their actions. Another tally to add in far too long of a line and a bad sign if we're supposed to leave it grand juries to indict police that kill people, such as the still pending case in Ferguson, Missouri which at this rate, I now expect the same result.
soundahfekz
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So you didn't participate in Ferguson? This thread? Both Trayvon threads?
Let us never forget your blaming Trayvon's death on not having on "reflective gear"
The reason you refuse to elaborate is because you don't have an explanation for why you continue to show up in these threads only after information that "exonerates" the police and only in support of the police.
If I was openly "hostile" to you I'd be banned, so that can't be accurate. It's against TOS. What is accurate and has been continually witnessed by many others is your very specific interest in threads in which black men are killed unjustly, either by the police or in Zimmerman's case, someone purporting as such.
I didn't see any attempt to talk the guy down. Looks like the cops went in with intent to kill. They claim he wasn't responsive, but it sure doesn't look like they gave him much chance.
Also, when someone says "swinging a gun around" the image that comes to mind is someone pointing it around at people horizontally (like "BACK OFF I GOT A GUN"). Pointing it at the floor and the ceiling is not a threatening posture. The kids and other people that saw him didn't seem to think anything of it.
Cops and caller were in the wrong, in my opinion.
Also, when someone says "swinging a gun around" the image that comes to mind is someone pointing it around at people horizontally (like "BACK OFF I GOT A GUN"). Pointing it at the floor and the ceiling is not a threatening posture. The kids and other people that saw him didn't seem to think anything of it.
Cops and caller were in the wrong, in my opinion.
TheBryanJZX90
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Prosecutors can choose to try and present the case against another grand jury if they feel the first grand jury got it wrong, I think. Not that I think that would happen here, just that the prosecutor passing responsibility to the grand jury is a crappy excuse.
Jmanunknown
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The prosecutor seemed satisfied with the outcome of the grand jury so the likely hood of him presenting the case against was like 0.1% but, that does not matter anymore the department of justice and the fbi are now involved and doing their own investigation of the case so who knows what is gonna happen.
theignoramus
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Everything about this case is yet another startling reflection of deep seeded American racial issues.
An innocent man was gunned down like a dog because some piece of shit bigot racially profiled him and the cops came storming in expecting an armed and recalcitrant black thug.
And nobody gets criminally charged after the fact? I'd fucking refer the details of this shit to Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International, the stench of it all is just too foul.
An innocent man was gunned down like a dog because some piece of shit bigot racially profiled him and the cops came storming in expecting an armed and recalcitrant black thug.
And nobody gets criminally charged after the fact? I'd fucking refer the details of this shit to Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International, the stench of it all is just too foul.
Finally saw the surveillance video and I have to admit that I'm even more upset about this situation. If this is a shooting that is considered to be 'okay' based on the lack of a grand jury indictment, we have seriously failed as a nation to protect our citizens from ourselves. Even if there was an order given, #1) it is painfully obvious from the video that there was not enough time to respond before shots were fired and #2) the victim was obviously on the phone, and likely distracted, making a response likely slower to come anyways.
SapientWolf
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Race is definitely a problem, but I think there's also a component of generalized fear here. Maybe spree shootings are so sensationalized that the people on the grand juries, and in law enforcement, are willing to stomach these shootings. There is a long string of these cases and they're typically treated as a tragedy rather than a problem with policing. So you see some support for laws requiring colored tips on the toy guns and not much else. Andy Lopez was gunned downed in a similar fashion, with no indictment or policy change.
You see a lot of support for the second amendment, but if you're not using a firearm for sport then there's no reason to own it unless you're afraid of something. It's not rare to see some questionable individuals getting elected on the platform of being tough on crime. Again, it's the fear. This type of policing isn't something being conducted against the will of Americans. This is something that a significant portion of America is actively advocating for.
PhineBuyM3
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I'm surprised he didn't get killed.
Who?
PhineBuyM3
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Whoops, wrong thread. Had 2 tabs open.
Gordon Shumway
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Geezuz..I thought you were on sine baaaad joke stuff.
TheRedSnifit
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You act as though I said the cops were justified.
Reasons this happens:
1) Public police unions that defend cops tooth-and-nail, while providing lifetime job protection that results in police forces turning over more slowly than the demographics of the communities they serve.
2) Poor training, especially with firearms; it's a well-observed fact that more training results in more "accidental" deaths. The NYPD, for example (I know this particular event wasn't the NYPD, obviously) goes through a basic handling/shooting course (approx. 1000 rounds fired) and then are required to re-qualify every 6 months (approx. 100 rounds). I shoot that much EVERY MONTH and I'm just a casual shooter who goes out on weekends. Hence, the NYPD has always been woefully undertrained, and the same goes for almost every police force in the nation. It's up to the individual officer to take extra private shooting sessions, but sadly most do not.
TheChocolateWar
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That is an improper legal analysis. The right to bear arms would not impact a negligence proceeding, which is what the claim would be based on. The legal argument goes something like this;
A) Walmart had a duty towards people to keep dangerous or seemingly dangerous objects out of the hands of other people.
B) Walmart breached that duty by leaving a dangerous or seemingly dangerous object unwrapped in the store.
C) As a direct result, someone was shot and killed.
D) As a proximate result, the reason for not having dangerous things out in the open is to prevent these kinds of interactions with other customers because we fear for personal safety.
E) There is a compensatory damages model based on wrongful death.
Right to bear arms has nothing to do with a negligence case..................
Not that I think all of these factors ar ecorrect in this instance.
TheRedSnifit
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This part seems suspect, especially given how many Wal-Marts sell real guns and ammo. I don't really see how they have a duty to keep customers from carrying their products.
TheChocolateWar
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Let me reword the duty;
Walmart has a duty to place items that can be seen as weapons under lock and key, to be requested from a clerk upon purchase, not to be left out on shelves for anyone to pick up.
That sound better?
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
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Makes me feel angry. Something needs to happen about this.
TheRedSnifit
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That's a valid argument, there.
I think something should be done about air guns that are designed to look like the real thing. They should all be colored blue or something, and painting over it should be a criminal offense.
BattleMonkey
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When did the shooting actually happen? We see him drop the rifle and hit the ground, but then he dives forward? Did he get shot when he dived forward or before that? Cause all I could imagine if it was justified, was that it looked like he was diving forward towards the dropped rifle? I could see that fear. But if they started shooting before then when he was just standing there, then that is messed up. Can't tell without audio really.
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