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[AlphaDump]

If you encounter it in the workplace, you don't stand for it. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter if you're a man or woman, whether you're dealing with a peer/subordinate/superior, if you feel your opinions and ideas aren't getting acknowledged then you figure out why and then confront the person about it once you're sure you have a decent understanding of the situation.

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It's up to the individuals involved to identify and target this bias, and form an ideal solution that's relevant to their environment and development standard.

This is a great post that i think deserves some recognition, because it actually proposes an idea of how to fight back.

It should not be tolerated, or acceptable to think that nothing can be done.

Assuming that is the status quo, and hoping that our "future" will be better because society will learn and eventually evolve does nothing for the women working within the industry now. It also doesn't excuse it, because the standard office outside of the games industry typically have very strict zero tolerance policies surrounding this very subject. harassment will still exist, but standardized protection via civil rights should, too.

At this point we need context because it is extremely unacceptable and presents a genuine civil rights case if it is universally accepted from garage developers to Valve.

Are there no success stories of women in the industry? If so, who are they and why? Why not start championing them, and the companies they point to?

In any case, Civil rights laws exist, and are taken extremely seriously in the court of the law, regardless of them not having HR. That is not how it works. That is why it is incredibly important to document every instance. They are not invincible.

 

[D4Danger]

so how does stuff like this go completely unchallenged in an official thread for a game? It's not a joke, meme or anything really.

 

[The Librarian]

so how does stuff like this go completely unchallenged in an official thread for a game? It's not a joke, meme or anything really.

Yikes! You should probably PM a mod.

 

[EVOL 100%]

Lots of sexually and socially frustrated basement dwelling dorks who feel angry that women don't fall on their feet for them out there

That or 'macho' douchebags who see women as objects of conquest

 

[H.Protagonist]

I wonder whether it is some form of social ineptness that makes some men see women as simply "the other sex that we want to get into our pants" and not as real people. Things they do become mere gestures to impress women whom they think are attractive, gestures that they think should be welcomed because "hey that's what men are!". These sort of view of themselves and women probably leads to loads of projection. "That guy is only speaking up because he wants to impress the girl" is a projection of what he himself might do, that is to only speak up for women only because he wants to impress them.

Yup. Think you and Dev have it:

It all has roots in the same thing, not seeing various groups of people as people. Not to mention the sexual frustration many men levy at women for simply existing and not fucking them.

...coupled with that projection, it's a nasty combo.

funny, I was just talking about with someone a few days ago. "white knight" is one of those internet things that just makes my blood boil.

I just wrote up my little dissertation on why I hate this term, but ultimately who cares. I just hate it. I'm waiting for someone to dare call me this.



for the record, I am not a girl so I do not know what all impresses them, but one could probably do worse than by being kind and considerate.

It's so abused and overused these days too. "White Knight," "strawman," "faux outrage," and recently "Streisand Effect" keeps popping up. Wouldn't say no to any of them being auto-replaced with "bacon" for the next few months. -_-

Which is funny because it only reinforces that whatever shitheel uses that phrase sees women only as objects to have sex with (because why else would a man do anything with or for a woman unless the end goal is sex? That's all they're there for, obvs.)

I find it deliciously ironic and doubly funny when the phrase gets tossed my way.

It does seem to be thrown around by those particular shitheels a lot.

You know, I wish I could add anything constructive, but man, I'm just shocked by how casual this was posted on a blog regarding information about videogames. Anyway, I know it's not up to me, but the only one feeling crappy and dirty should be the guy who posted this comment.


Truth.

Every now and then I tend to see these discussions on social media, news sites or messageboards when someone engages in heated "discussions/debates/fame wars" and they will go as far as shaming their herritage, gender, nationality, beliefs etc. but their names were out in the open. Or their tags were so easily traced you could google those people in a matter of minutes. As long as they can't hurt you directly, you can spout the biggest crap if you want to. Even if your identity is publicly known some people just don't care. They want to hurt/drag people to their own level because the so called distance is big enough.

In a day and age of Twitter and Facebook, that might be the dumbest thing to do. But alas, it's just internet.

It's kind of telling that it wasn't even the guy who'd posted that shit, but just some other random asshole that had read it. Even if they're not asshole enough to write such crap directly, they see no problem passing it around or posting it like that.

That kind of attitude is pervasive online. Doubt they even think they're doing anything wrong or weird. Reminds me of when guys on GAF post those yoga pants creepshots. The attitude is, 'well I didn't take them! They're just there so it's free game to post' and 'dat ass' about. It's shitty, dudes. Really shitty.

The problem is already entrenched misogyny + lack of consequences, legal or social. Shame is a powerful tool but if people stay quiet nothing changes.

Whenever these threads come up you get the inevitable "I'm sick of these topics!" posters. Well, we're sick of this shit too. Help change it and we won't have so many of these topics!

I bet they were totally all thirteen year olds who haven't been a part of society even once in their life though!

I'm just going to save this post of yours so I can provide yet another link on top of the mountain of links I put together here to highlight just a sampling of the nasty shit that goes on in this industry, and is sometimes even endorsed by influential people within it. It's just obscene at this point that we still have anybody willing to actually come in here and deny what individuals like yourself obviously honestly share with us so that everyone can come to a better understanding of what's at stake and how serious things are.

Maybe I'm just extra sensitive to this since I'm a supervisor where I work and the amount of ungodly shit that our female employees have come to me about to do something over because of some co-worker would probably not blow your mind, considering your experience. But it might blow the minds of many of the men who are trying to deny how serious this is.

Feel free to add the PlayStationBlog one too. If people won't believe the accounts of the women in these articles, maybe they'll give a little more credence to a fellow gaffer. This stuff isn't fluff or fantasy or hysterics. It's frustratingly common. My boss knows it happens, hell everyone accepts it as a 'thing', but this E3 really brought it home to him when he got a good look at the creepers and assholes harassing our youngest and newest female employees and even the poor girls we had for the swag handout. Great introduction to the industry, eh?