Devolution
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vas_a_morir said:
You got the luck of the draw when it comes to the country you were born in? Do I have to spell out how stupid your post was about the North Korean people and the situation they are in?
North Korea begs for food.
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You got the luck of the draw when it comes to the country you were born in? Do I have to spell out how stupid your post was about the North Korean people and the situation they are in?
lightless_shado
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Kyoufu said:
The people in the south actually know what they're doing. The people living in NK are convinced that they've got the best government. They think that what they've got now is as good as it gets.
Seraphinianus
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Ether_Snake said:
Just like last time there was a famine in NK?
people don't seem to realize that NK does not fall under any usual human patterns. The people aren't going to *just* rise up or *just* fight back or *just* think for themselves. It's different when you don't have any forum to do it whatsoever, when your government will kill you for starting any rebellion whatsoever, when they'll easily get away with covering it up, and when nobody else will follow you out of fear of the government or better yet--rat you out and get you disciplined or killed for even thinking about rebelling.
These rebelling middle eastern countries had it bad, but NK goes beyond complex when you start talking about revolution. Large portions of the population would have to be deprogrammed (and nursed back to health) before revolution could even be on the table...
Devolution
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lightless_shado said:
They've been programmed to accept that they have the best government ever and no one knows better than the glorious leader Kim Jong Il. Even doubt this and say goodbye to your life and that of your family.
BertramCooper said:
Some of the world's financial leaders need to, independently of any Government or state, organize, and arrange to have giant balloons with pamphlets of how awesome the world is and how shitty NK's situation is, and have them fly over Pyongyang and pop, raining down info on them.
Like Philanthropy. Where's Solid Snake when you need him.
TheKaeptain
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Meus Renaissance said:
There is no way we would know if the food gets to them.
I'm not going to gloat over the fact that poor people are starving, but the North's government needs to stop their juche agriculture policy and realise that to solve the food situation they need to open up and trade with the rest of the world. The North is rich in minerals and resources and heavy industry is one of the few areas where the North's economy actually works so if they could get to a point where they can trade with other nations (which won't happen as long as the US does everything it can to stifle it, just like Cuba) effectively it would solve their food problems.
scotcheggz
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vas_a_morir said:Say, I wonder how South Korea is doing under the occupation of Imperialist American murderers:
Oh. I see.
Better to eat grass than listen to that shit!
No seriously, I want to know why he is just asking for food this time, instead of using military threats to gain leverage? Why the change of tactics?
If anyone is interested in the day to day goings on in the DPRK, check out this blog Good Friends USA. It's savage some of the things you'll read, but really interesting.
triplestation
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I'd give those guys food if I could.
Devolution
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scotcheggz said:
Maybe his offensive missile system isn't going as planned. Gettin' desperate.
Joel Was Right
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CaptYamato said:
North Korean: What happened to the food?
CaptYamato: Well, we didn't know whether or not it would get to you. So we decided to not bother anyway.
TheKaeptain
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vas_a_morir said:Say, I wonder how South Korea is doing under the occupation of Imperialist American murderers:
Oh. I see.
North Korea wouldn't like them because they have two America spies in the group.
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Meus Renaissance said:
So how many pounds of food have you donated to GLORIOUS LEADER and his subjects?
You seem so personally invested in this and unwilling (unable?) to understand why people hold a view that opposes yours.
titiklabingapat
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What do you suggest we do, give them food? It doesn't even reach the people who need them and only serves to strengthen the regime further.xbhaskarx said:
vas_a_morir
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Devolution said:
I simply feel you have misunderstood me, especially since you are acting so hostile, condescending, and pretentious, while my intended meaning should have evoked no such reaction. I've read several books on the subject of Korean-style Communism, as well as seen every documentary imaginable, including two last week. (One about gymnasts in Korea and the other about an American defector) I am well aware of the "brainwashing" people have endured in that country, although I was not born there. Here is what I wanted to convey:
1. Kim Jong Il must make concessions regarding transparency of food distribution in order to gain assistance from outside nations, particularly, the United States.
2. Because of this, if Koreans should die because of refusal of aid, Kim Jong Il's own actions could be interpreted as the cause.
3. This is a natural consequence of a one-party system being supported blindly by the people.
4. Even so, I acknowledge that due to overwhelming brainwashing, they had little choice in the matter, and thus do not deserve it.
I hope it clears things up for you. I lived in East Asia for a brief period, and called many South Korean servicemen my friends. We discussed the matter extensively, and through these conversations, I feel I have a better understanding than most Westerners.
However, if in fact you still believe my opinion reeks of privileged ignorance, I would like for you to elaborate further so that I could understand the situation better.
Devolution
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vas_a_morir said:
That is kind of my issue here and how you keep stating it.
OrangeYouGlad
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Meus Renaissance said:
They're not starving because of bad breaks and because Great Leader Kim is doing his best but it's not working out. They're starving because of the way he runs the country and distributes food.
The opinion that the food will likely not get to the people who need it most is a valid one. You can sit here and accuse people of being morally bankrupt or sick, but it's likely that the people you think won't starve if other countries aid will starve anyway.
We're only reinforcing Kim's craziness and abuse if there are no strings attached to giving aid.
vas_a_morir
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Devolution said:
I'm afraid I do not understand the meaning of this sentence.
EDIT: Nevermind, I see the bolded part.
If you are offended by that statement, I am still convinced you have misinterpreted my rhetoric a bit.
I imagine we both can agree that the government in North Korea receives what is apparently described as unanimous support, and thus that should not be an area of contention. Thus, I imagine you are upset by my adverb, "blindly" which may have a negative connotation. However, I assure you, I simply used it to describe the cricumstances surrounding the people as I understand them, rather than judgments on the people themselves. "Blindly" simply alludes to the lack of available information that one could use to form more varied opinions regarding government, society, and so on. Furthermore, in religious rhetoric, the term "blind" is used in various ways. Sometimes "blind" is used to describe someone who cannot see the truth around them. I believe this could be used that way regarding North Koreans. However, "blind faith" is used meaning complete trust without distraction. If you ask a Christian "Do you blindly follow Jesus Christ," the most likely would quickly chime in "yes, without question." From the accounts I've read and heard from both North Koreans and refugees, this would appear to be the mindset of North Koreans. In fact, you called them "Brainwashed," so I imagine you agree with me on that point. However, as I have never lived in North Korea, one could say that any attempt at evaluating the situation could be argued as "reeking of privileged ignorance." So, in that regard, I will gladly concede the point.
Where's Summary Man when you need him?
Summary Man
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Such an unfortunate situation for the people of North Korea, the vast majority of which are brainwashed into the cult of personality surrounding Kim Jong-Il. That being said, the question of whether or not the United States should be tripping over itself to provide aid to an enemy country is a tough one. Like others have said, it's likely that the food won't make its way to those who need it, and instead strengthens those who need it least.
Summary: Shit sucks.
Summary: Shit sucks.
Kuro Madoushi
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Can't trade with DPRK. Tariffs are insanely high. Same with Belarus.
Food will be politicized cause EVERYTHING about that country is.
Food will be politicized cause EVERYTHING about that country is.
J2d said:
Bro, it's not like millions of people should suffer because we don't want to help one fucking crazy fool in the process. I understand no one likes Kim, I bet you deep down a lot of NKoreans don't like his ass either, but the situation isn't exactly cut and dry.
Hopefully this humbles that crazy lunatic a bit, we should parachute crates of food covered in spray paint saying "Hey, we here Kim Jong whatsit is having trouble being awesome? We got some spare food from the South Koreans here, they're doing awesome - and they're feeling generous."
I don't know how to 'de-program' someone, but a splash of reality is probably one of the steps.
videogamer
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=giant+bunnies+north+koreaholmes182 said:
But it's not like Kim cares about his people. I think he WILL keep it for himself and his cronies, so it's cut and dry to me:Kinitari said:
If we give food, Kim and his cronies dine while the masses starve.
If we don't give food, Kim and his cronies starve with the masses.
Either way, the masses starve, so we are choosing between feeding Kim and not feeding Kim.
vas_a_morir
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Kalnos said:
I don't want to talk to a political scientist, ya'll mother fuckaz lyin', be gettin me pissed.
dojokun said:
Then, I doubt the US is going to give them food. Sad, but I think the right stance to make.
speculawyer
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And when we give them food, he'll go on TV and say how "The USA has given the dear leader food because the dear leader is just that awesome."
It is such a lose-lose proposition. Let people starve or give support for Lil' Kim.
It really does suck. There is no military option. There is no revolution that can happen from within. Just sucks.
It is such a lose-lose proposition. Let people starve or give support for Lil' Kim.
It really does suck. There is no military option. There is no revolution that can happen from within. Just sucks.
dojokun said:
If we were to give aid, we do it with conditions. If he's desperate enough to beg, maybe he'll let us do it our way. If he doesn't, then yeah, fuck him I guess - but I think if both sides swallow their pride a bit, make some concessions, we could probably save some lives.
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