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[lazygecko]

Is Norway like (a lot of) Canada where parking spots often have outlets to plug in block heaters?

My dad was in Norway a couple of days ago for work and he said there were charging stations everywhere.

 

[RSTEIN]

Its going to take longer for electric cars to be as affordable and practical as gas cars
And even then there must be a bigger grace period. Most car manufacturers haven't even started transitioning into making electric vehicles aside from the odd model.

What? No way. You can get a Volt right now for $38,000 (CAD). Long range with hybrid engine. In 9 years you'll definitely be able to get purely electric cars for way less.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Norway being awesome.

And to people saying 'too soon'. This is NEW sales of cars. You gas fetishists can continue to buy used gas cars.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Its going to take longer for electric cars to be as affordable and practical as gas cars
And even then there must be a bigger grace period. Most car manufacturers haven't even started transitioning into making electric vehicles aside from the odd model.

No it's not.

The main cost of an EV is the battery, which has a learning rate of around 20%. Meaning that for every time you double the scale, the cost of production goes down by 20%.

The Model T had a learning rate of around 15%, with a conservative rate of growth for EV's at around 30% (real world growth ATM is 60% annual)

This graph uses Model T learning rate with the extremely conservative EV rate of growth of 30%

In a decade, by 2026, it wouldn't be shocking to see EV's with a distance of 250-300 miles cost around 20K, and that growth and cost is on a considerable conservative growth rate (the same way solar has been on a conservative growth rate for the last decade and constantly blows the doors off of growth models in terms of real world growth).

It's not hard to see, look at where we were in 2006 in terms of EV tech and the cost of an EV, and look at where we are now, and just think about that rate of growth, but much steeper, faster, and cheaper in the coming decade.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

2025 is like 8 1/2 years away. That's too soon IMO. Way too soon.

Yeah, I'm not so sure EV's will be quite cheap enough by that point, even with the efficiency gains that Tesla has seen in the last few years. Not to mention charging infrastructure

 

[giga]

That's fantastic. Hope the U.S. does the same in 20 years.

 

[Big-E]

How is this going to work for rural communities. I spent the last year living remote in Canada. Electric cars and self driving cars are Not going to work here unless governments improve infrastructure a lot. Current evs cant handle a logging road.

 

[Theonik]

Is it hypocritical when Norway is also the tenth largest oil exporter in the world?

Oil is much more valuable than its use as fuel. In fact I would say using it as a fuel is a pretty massively moronic waste.

 

[Waaghals]

While the population do live relatively scattered, few Norwegians live at the end of a logging road.

I'm going to hazard a guess that few Canadians do, too.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

That's fantastic. Hope the U.S. does the same in 20 years.

Very doubtful unless 'the big 3' begin to turn from gas to electric. Which I don't see happening given so many us Americans having an obsession with trucks or more power than we realistically need.

How is this going to work for rural communities. I spent the last year living remote in Canada. Electric cars and self driving cars are Not going to work here unless governments improve infrastructure a lot. Current evs cant handle a logging road.

Rural communities have over a decade to equip themselves. This is, again, the sale of NEW cars. People can continue to buy used gas-cars. Hell, you may even be able to buy one from across state borders if you must. I'd need someone from Norway to confirm if that's possible though.

 

[Man God]

Oil is much more valuable than its use as fuel. In fact I would say using it as a fuel is a pretty massively moronic waste.

I'd argue with that. It's best use is as a fuel. Jet Fuel.

 

[Ashes]

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What's a vigina?

 

[entremet]

Is Norway a car culture like the US?

If not, this isn't a huge deal like most of you are making this be.

 

[Ashes]

Oil is much more valuable than its use as fuel. In fact I would say using it as a fuel is a pretty massively moronic waste.

What on earth are you about? What's more useful than fuel in the modern world? Society would be pretty much collapse without oil at the moment. At the very least be hugely different.

 

[The Lamp]

What on earth are you about? What's more useful than fuel in the modern world? Society would be pretty much collapse without oil at the moment. At the very least be hugely different.

You can get energy from various sources.

Meanwhile oil and natural gas are basically the de facto source of hydrocarbons used to make materials and chemicals, such as plastic/polymers, which go in your food, medicine, construction, infrastructure, technology, weapons, and consumer products and toys.

 

[shiba5]

Very doubtful unless 'the big 3' begin to turn from gas to electric. Which I don't see happening given so many us Americans having an obsession with trucks or more power than we realistically need.

Well I'm curious, do they have electric vehicles over there capable of towing? I have a truck because I tow horses and there is no alternative to gas powered vehicles for that kind of load.

 

[Giant Panda]

Dumb idea. With a carbon tax this is completely unnecessary. Terrible economics.

 

[gaugebozo]

Ironic since one of the craziest track days in the world is in Norway and itself has a rich tuning and motorsport history alongside the rest of Scandanavia.

The model S does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/29/autos/tesla-fast/

It's a 7 seater!

 

[Strax]

People can still buy used cars, this ban is for new cars only?

Great post.

 

[Hoo-doo]

That's fucking awesome. I hope the dutch government follows suit eventually. You already see quite a lot of electrics and hybrids over here. My neighbours drive a Tesla Model S 85.

Electric is undoubtedly the future of automotive transportation and i'm glad Norway is there to lead the charge. Hopefully in 25-30 years we'll think of combustion engines like we currently see steampowered engines on locomotives.

I'm very much into this AI driver, electric vehicle future. We'll be living in fucking Minority Report over here soon. It'll be hilarious to see how long it'll take for the US to follow suit though.

 

[Renekton]

Is it hypocritical when Norway is also the tenth largest oil exporter in the world?

That is true only if the reason cited for ban is their concern for global environment.

If they just want to keep their own air clean, then no biggie.

 

[Chittagong]

Here you see a smart, rich country investing in the future before they need to. Doing this will force them to become the best experts in the world in running an electric car society, something all countries will transform into in the next 50 years.

Kinda like how Finland figured that everyone could have a mobile phone, not just business men. Shame Finnish politicians are visionless and spineless - this could have been Finland just as well. Great electric grid, and car manufacturign expertise. But no. Gg Norway!

 

[Neo C.]

The newspaper frontpage is also a bit misleading. They won't actually ban gas/diesel cars, they hope that technology has advanced enough that no one really would need it, also probably heavier taxed vs. more incentives for buying zero emission cars. This goal does also not include bigger long haul trucks and other areas where zero emission vehicles still need some time to catch up.

Heavier tax sounds good, way more reasonable than a outright ban. I hope my country will follow this example, unfortunately the car lobby is quite strong even without a national car industry.

 

[Versace]

The model S does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/29/autos/tesla-fast/

It's a 7 seater!

Yeah, but to his point - you can't really do a track day with a Tesla.

 

[SweetDonuts]

Sounds great. I wish it could happen sooner and in more countries tbh

 

[Theonik]

You can get energy from various sources.

Meanwhile oil and natural gas are basically the de facto source of hydrocarbons used to make materials and chemicals, such as plastic/polymers, which go in your food, medicine, construction, infrastructure, technology, weapons, and consumer products and toys.

Precisely. If anything, the value of the energy market is what motivates seeking alternative sources of energy.

 

[LeleSocho]

Yeah, but to his point - you can't really do a track day with a Tesla.

Musk just a couple of days ago said that they could easily do a 400 miles car today and that technology allow improvement of the batteries' capacity 5% every year but the priorities now are put elsewhere, so i would guess if you are ok with having a less powerful car you can do a 500-600 miles one in a couple of years.

 

[Rbk_3]

I can't even imagine the outrage Wynne would get if she did that in Ontario

 

[Neo C.]

I'm very much into this AI driver, electric vehicle future. We'll be living in fucking Minority Report over here soon. It'll be hilarious to see how long it'll take for the US to follow suit though.

I'm not American, but considering the laws in some states and Tesla's success, I think the US will actually lead the change, at least in some cities and wealthier areas.

My main reason why I still hesitate with electric car is simply the (lacking) infrastructure: I rent a small apartment and can't charge it at home. I also can't spend big money for it but still needs a car with the range of a Model S.
I'm optimistic to be a electric car driver in ten years though, although I don't think I'll drive much with autonomous driving being popular in the next few years.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Electric not ready for prime time. I'll stick with my V8.

 

[PeskyToaster]

Kind of lame.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Norway stays winning.

 

[Easy_D]

All the Debbie Downers in this thread. Good on ya, Norway, keep being awesome and please rub off on Sweden some more.

 

[Giant Panda]

All the Debbie Downers in this thread. Good on ya, Norway, keep being awesome and please rub off on Sweden some more.

I think I'd call the people wanting to ban consumers' options the Downers.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

At the very least, public transit should become E only.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

I think I'd call the people wanting to ban consumers' options the Downers.

Even when the goal is to help save the planet?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Well I'm curious, do they have electric vehicles over there capable of towing?

I've never seen one, but I also live in Michigan which tries super hard to fight electric vehicles given the influence the domestics have here. The nearest charge station is actually a state away from me.

 

[womfalcs3]

Is Norway a car culture like the US?

If not, this isn't a huge deal like most of you are making this be.

It's also not a big deal as people will still be able to by diesel-powered cars.

 

[Dead Prince]

is that a vagina?

pocket pussy for your coins

 

[MikeHattsu]

Is Norway a car culture like the US?

If not, this isn't a huge deal like most of you are making this be.

Unless you're living in the center of one of the bigger cities you need to have a car here.

It's also not a big deal as people will still be able to by diesel-powered cars.

This applies to both gasoline and diesel cars. But as already mentioned it's not actually a ban, it's even higher taxes on buying such a car.

 

[MrChocolate]

Even when the goal is to help save the planet?

Its not even about saving the planet. Its about preventing or diminishing the already increasing problem of pollution.

Way to go Norway.

 

[Condom]

Norway earns it's money by selling oil tho

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Its not even about saving the planet. Its about preventing or diminishing the already increasing problem of pollution.

Way to go Norway.

Well I mean at this point yeah that's true, but it just pisses me off when people have the attitude of 'its wrong to try and save the planet when it reduces my options as a consumer'.

Just reminds me of:

 

[Calamari41]

Seems to me that the more "money where your mouth is" move would be to halt all oil drilling and exploration. As it stands, this is just a PR move that can easily be delayed into oblivion.

 

[Sun Bather]

This applies to both gasoline and diesel cars. But as already mentioned it's not actually a ban, it's even higher taxes on buying such a car.

People really should read this.

 

[MrChocolate]

Seems to me that the more "money where your mouth is" move would be to halt all oil drilling and exploration. As it stands, this is just a PR move that can easily be delayed into oblivion.

You know that oil is used for more than just gasoline...?

 

[HolySheep]

Unless you're living in the center of one of the bigger cities you need to have a car here.




This applies to both gasoline and diesel cars. But as already mentioned it's not actually a ban, it's even higher taxes on buying such a car.

yup, the idea being that no one would want to buy a gasoline and diesel car.

 

[Calamari41]

You know that oil is used for more than just gasoline...?

So?

Halting oil production would raise the price of gasoline, and reduce its use. It should be worth it even if people have to pay more for its other uses.

 

[nabe_shogun]

Musk just a couple of days ago said that they could easily do a 400 miles car today and that technology allow improvement of the batteries' capacity 5% every year but the priorities now are put elsewhere, so i would guess if you are ok with having a less powerful car you can do a 500-600 miles one in a couple of years.

Its not just the range. The tesla is still a large family sedan. While it may have good acceleration, its not really a car I could see myself having fun driving.

Maybe when theres an electric car thats a proper rival to something like a mazda mx5 Id be interested. But as of now all electric cars are boring and uninteresting to me.

 

[Polioliolio]

USA doesn't even have the will or the balls to convert to the metric system.