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klonere

Banned
OwensIsNow said:
It was the same finish as the Shield/Wyatt match too. Someone pushes Bray out of spear, sister Abigail, Bray pins Roman.
#LifeIsASquaredCircle
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M

Man God

Non-Canon Member
HHH needs a proven quantity to stop Goldberg in December. Someone big. Someone who can understand Goldberg's desire to prove something to his son. Someone who can remain cool.

Big.
Daddy.
Cool.
 
N

Nocturnowl

Member
I kinda dig how Survivor Series was an encapsulation of everything wrong with WWE

- In general the Smackdown vs Raw concept is on barely stable ground to begin with seeing the brand split has been going for a mere 3 and a half months or so, no one is actually invested.

- Storylines Smackdown logical booking had been building had to be put on hold due to making time for "we gotta band together to beat Raw because reasons!"

- On both sides of the roster heels and faces align, thus every elimination match has teammates walloping each other from the slightest provocation.

- The women's match not only had issues in skill gaps between participants but in general
had some missed opportunities in its booking. With the finale you could've had a conflicted Bayley not wanting to beat down an outnumbered Becky, heck you could've gone with Becky trying the sole survivor routine against the remaining horsewomen. Nia Jax could've had cool spots if she wasn't still too green to pull it off successfully.

- Those fuckin' brand shirts

- Champs lookin' like chumps, The New Day and Owens were basically booked like lemons. Breezeango jobbin' like fools makes sense, New Day not so much. Owens got blatantly DQ'd with a CLIPBOARD AND PAPERS.

- Shane O Mac's pure striking prowess

- The continued commitment to the Roman Reigns experiment, he actually deserves better than being understandably shat on by the crowd because of stubborn arse booking keeping him stale.

- Unless we're building to a double turn, Ambrose basically had the heel role in the scuffle with AJ Styles.

- lol cruiserweights

- While I had a good chuckle at Bork getting squashed it just goes to show that they completely and utterly fucked up any attempt at someone getting a rub from the Cena squashing, streak ending Beast.

- A ton of buildup and probably truckloads of money spent on a main event squash match

it's all perversely enjoyable in its own stupid way.
 
N

newdayrocks

Member
My son watching Breezango enter the ring last night: "Is it OK to say they look a little ... homosexual?"

Also, I'd be happy to never see Brock back in a WWE ring again after last night. He does absolutely nothing for me.
 
K

klonere

Banned
Anything from X16 worth watching? I ended up travelling on the weekend and never got around to watching any of it.

avengers23 said:
It's almost as if they threw him on screen too early and now he's starting from a credibility hole.
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Just like Lashley, Masters, Spirit Squad guys, Reigns, Crews the list is very long.
 
K

klonere

Banned
Kalisto and Kendrick did a Spanish fly from the apron to floor?

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Nocturnowl said:
I kinda dig how Survivor Series was an encapsulation of everything wrong with WWE

- In general the Smackdown vs Raw concept is on barely stable ground to begin with seeing the brand split has been going for a mere 3 and a half months or so, no one is actually invested.

- Storylines Smackdown logical booking had been building had to be put on hold due to making time for "we gotta band together to beat Raw because reasons!"

- On both sides of the roster heels and faces align, thus every elimination match has teammates walloping each other from the slightest provocation.

- The women's match not only had issues in skill gaps between participants but in general
had some missed opportunities in its booking. With the finale you could've had a conflicted Bayley not wanting to beat down an outnumbered Becky, heck you could've gone with Becky trying the sole survivor routine against the remaining horsewomen. Nia Jax could've had cool spots if she wasn't still too green to pull it off successfully.

- Those fuckin' brand shirts

- Champs lookin' like chumps, The New Day and Owens were basically booked like lemons. Breezeango jobbin' like fools makes sense, New Day not so much. Owens got blatantly DQ'd with a CLIPBOARD AND PAPERS.

- Shane O Mac's pure striking prowess

- The continued commitment to the Roman Reigns experiment, he actually deserves better than being understandably shat on by the crowd because of stubborn arse booking keeping him stale.

- Unless we're building to a double turn, Ambrose basically had the heel role in the scuffle with AJ Styles.

- lol cruiserweights

- While I had a good chuckle at Bork getting squashed it just goes to show that they completely and utterly fucked up any attempt at someone getting a rub from the Cena squashing, streak ending Beast.

- A ton of buildup and probably truckloads of money spent on a main event squash match

it's all perversely enjoyable in its own stupid way.
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This is a good post, very good post and I agree with it all. Thank you Nocturnowl and may Kane win on preshows forever more into the future.

i will add on the list of people sacrificed to the altar of Bork.

CM Punk
Ambrose
Orton
ADR
Rusev
Sheamus
Kofi
Wyatts
Streak went.
Cena got SQUASHED
Strowman got destroyed in the Rumble
_
_
_
_
Squashed by Goldberg
 
B

British Monsoon

Member
klonere said:
Anything from X16 worth watching? I ended up travelling on the weekend and never got around to watching any of it.
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Haven't watched Night 2 yet, but Night 1 was pretty good all-round (except the tag that went on about 15 minutes longer than it needed to).

Trevor Lee vs Chip Day was real good, Ethan Case vs Fred Yehi as well - Tracer X vs Colby Corino was a lot of fun and I enjoyed Davey vs ZSJ (although it was only Davey's second match back from injury, so he wasn't quite up to speed tbh). Riddle vs Hollis was really good, as was their match from the SCI, well worth checking out.
 
F

Fox318

Member
Nocturnowl said:
I kinda dig how Survivor Series was an encapsulation of everything wrong with WWE

- In general the Smackdown vs Raw concept is on barely stable ground to begin with seeing the brand split has been going for a mere 3 and a half months or so, no one is actually invested.

- Storylines Smackdown logical booking had been building had to be put on hold due to making time for "we gotta band together to beat Raw because reasons!"

- On both sides of the roster heels and faces align, thus every elimination match has teammates walloping each other from the slightest provocation.

- The women's match not only had issues in skill gaps between participants but in general
had some missed opportunities in its booking. With the finale you could've had a conflicted Bayley not wanting to beat down an outnumbered Becky, heck you could've gone with Becky trying the sole survivor routine against the remaining horsewomen. Nia Jax could've had cool spots if she wasn't still too green to pull it off successfully.

- Those fuckin' brand shirts

- Champs lookin' like chumps, The New Day and Owens were basically booked like lemons. Breezeango jobbin' like fools makes sense, New Day not so much. Owens got blatantly DQ'd with a CLIPBOARD AND PAPERS.

- Shane O Mac's pure striking prowess

- The continued commitment to the Roman Reigns experiment, he actually deserves better than being understandably shat on by the crowd because of stubborn arse booking keeping him stale.

- Unless we're building to a double turn, Ambrose basically had the heel role in the scuffle with AJ Styles.

- lol cruiserweights

- While I had a good chuckle at Bork getting squashed it just goes to show that they completely and utterly fucked up any attempt at someone getting a rub from the Cena squashing, streak ending Beast.

- A ton of buildup and probably truckloads of money spent on a main event squash match

it's all perversely enjoyable in its own stupid way.
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I agree with everything except for the main event.

This builds a rematch up and the streak going to Brock helped improve his heat and draw after they destroyed it to placate Cena and HHH's ego.

Brock could have been the monster when he left the UFC and he should have been.

Hell he should be the champ espically after his fight this year.
 
R

Rockandrollclown

lookwhatyou'vedone
I've never felt a bigger disconnect with fans than them giving positive chants to Shane. Shane staying in the match that long makes Raw look weak as fuck. I really disliked him not getting destroyed. I guess its in tune with him fighting the Undertaker, but it still pisses me off.
 
S

slightconfuse

Banned
WWE isn't concerned about wins,losses, characters or stories or good booking

All they care about are creating "moments" see 32, mania.
Gifs are the new heat

How much that will help them in the long run only time will tell.
 
S

Sephzilla

Member
Nocturnowl said:
I kinda dig how Survivor Series was an encapsulation of everything wrong with WWE

- In general the Smackdown vs Raw concept is on barely stable ground to begin with seeing the brand split has been going for a mere 3 and a half months or so, no one is actually invested.

- Storylines Smackdown logical booking had been building had to be put on hold due to making time for "we gotta band together to beat Raw because reasons!"

- On both sides of the roster heels and faces align, thus every elimination match has teammates walloping each other from the slightest provocation.

- The women's match not only had issues in skill gaps between participants but in general
had some missed opportunities in its booking. With the finale you could've had a conflicted Bayley not wanting to beat down an outnumbered Becky, heck you could've gone with Becky trying the sole survivor routine against the remaining horsewomen. Nia Jax could've had cool spots if she wasn't still too green to pull it off successfully.

- Those fuckin' brand shirts

- Champs lookin' like chumps, The New Day and Owens were basically booked like lemons. Breezeango jobbin' like fools makes sense, New Day not so much. Owens got blatantly DQ'd with a CLIPBOARD AND PAPERS.

- Shane O Mac's pure striking prowess

- The continued commitment to the Roman Reigns experiment, he actually deserves better than being understandably shat on by the crowd because of stubborn arse booking keeping him stale.

- Unless we're building to a double turn, Ambrose basically had the heel role in the scuffle with AJ Styles.

- lol cruiserweights

- While I had a good chuckle at Bork getting squashed it just goes to show that they completely and utterly fucked up any attempt at someone getting a rub from the Cena squashing, streak ending Beast.

- A ton of buildup and probably truckloads of money spent on a main event squash match

it's all perversely enjoyable in its own stupid way.
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I agree with everything except the main event. That was legitimately unexpected and enjoyable.
 
T

TarpitCarnivore

Member
I think there was a lot of dumb shit in SS, but I've enjoyed (the parts I've watched) overall.

I think Sami and Miz had a decent match
Braun has looked great so far int he main event SS match
Nia Jax actually looked strong

However some other bad things:
The womans division as a whole is so bad, just really bad. That whole match was miss steps all over. Carmella has no reason to be on the main roster, she gets NOTHING from the crowd.

WWE has basically killed any interest I had in the cruiserweight division. Bringing out Corbin last night didn't help at all

I agree with the sentiments about story lines being put on hold. The Main SS match felt weird since they were all conflicting stories

Enzo & Cass getting way too much mic time, only to have New Day get an extended run
 
K

klonere

Banned
British Monsoon said:
Haven't watched Night 2 yet, but Night 1 was pretty good all-round (except the tag that went on about 15 minutes longer than it needed to).

Trevor Lee vs Chip Day was real good, Ethan Case vs Fred Yehi as well - Tracer X vs Colby Corino was a lot of fun and I enjoyed Davey vs ZSJ (although it was only Davey's second match back from injury, so he wasn't quite up to speed tbh). Riddle vs Hollis was really good, as was their match from the SCI, well worth checking out.
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Good to hear, will watch when I can.
 
H

Heroman

Banned
klonere said:
Kalisto and Kendrick did a Spanish fly from the apron to floor?

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha



This is a good post, very good post and I agree with it all. Thank you Nocturnowl and may Kane win on preshows forever more into the future.

i will add on the list of people sacrificed to the altar of Bork.

CM Punk
Ambrose
Orton
ADR
Rusev
Sheamus
Kofi
Wyatts
Streak went.
Cena got SQUASHED
Strowman got destroyed in the Rumble
_
_
_
_
Squashed by Goldberg
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Gotta help that newcomer Goldberg.
 
S

Sephzilla

Member
Good lord, again all of the stuff used to build up Brock was wasted and irrelevant well before he stepped into the ring with Goldberg. Most of that stuff was already wasted when Brock didn't drop the WWE Title to a red hot underdog face character.
 
N

Nocturnowl

Member
I think the fact that the main event squash was enjoyable to a lot of us (and that includes myself) does highlight the problems with Lesnar's booking that we were happy to see him just straight up job.
So I argue it still stands as an example of WWE flubbing things.
And no I don't want a trilogy, sweet jesus no, I figured we dodged a bullet with that squash.

But never mind that, I just finished Survivor Series 1998 and bah gawd there was a finale with payoff.

ViewtifulJC said:
wait

Kane won???

IN 2016!?!?!?
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Well we had to have some bright spots in this darkness

Plus look at ol' Harper, not even a dent in his credibility, a true win/win.
 
A

avengers23

Banned
Thorakai said:
What if deep down inside the reason Lesnar does not give a fuck is because he is secretly a WCW mark still salty about the buyout
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What if Lesnar gives no fucks as long as the checks cash?

We say that Nash is no mark for himself, but Lesnar is even more objective about what he does for a living.
 
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Sir_Crocodile

Member
Sephzilla said:
Good lord, again all of the stuff used to build up Brock was wasted and irrelevant well before he stepped into the ring with Goldberg. Most of that stuff was already wasted when Brock didn't drop the WWE Title to a red hot underdog face character.
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This.

wwf's plan all revolved around lesnar losing to reigns at mania last year to make reigns.

Now they have no-one they're ready for him to make and it's a stale act. Meanwhile Goldberg/Lesnar was magic.
 
D

DMczaf

Member
Goldberg also got Brock up in the Jackhammer for a second or two longer than I thought he would.

☺️🙂😀
 
P

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sephzilla said:
Good lord, again all of the stuff used to build up Brock was wasted and irrelevant well before he stepped into the ring with Goldberg. Most of that stuff was already wasted when Brock didn't drop the WWE Title to a red hot underdog face character.
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THIS.

The internet mark rage about last night's finish is hilarious to me. Lesnar had no buildup. He's been a joke for a while now.

That was absolutely the best result last night, it's going to result in character development for Lesnar's in-ring persona, and he'll probably get the win back later.
 
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