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NPD Hardware Sales Results for February 2007
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Stoney Mason
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reilo said:
Right over the head.....
Sony have dug themselves a pretty deep hole here. The only thing that's going to shift PS3s is a price drop, yet that's the one thing they can't deliver. Microsoft and Nintendo should each cut their respective systems by $50 and go in for the kill. Unlike Sony, they can afford it.
Amazing DS sales, especially when you consider Pokemon and Zelda are still to hit.
Amazing DS sales, especially when you consider Pokemon and Zelda are still to hit.
reilo said:
You know what. I actually agree with most of your examples. But you are refusing to see the implications. You are citing the hardcore oriented games on Wii and complaining they are not innovative. Yes, they are not terribly innovative at all - they are hardcore oriented.
Now, if you really, honestly don't see how Wii Fitness or Wii Music are pretty innovative ideas, there is nothing I can do to explain that.
Finally, let's not cite innovations which hardcore did not buy into and let the hardcore gamers get any credit. Let's look at the games they actually buy.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Excellent thread...one of the best.
Oh and chances are I wouldn't have posted in this thread if my 360 was doing poorly.
Yep it's shallow and I'm a bad bad person but hey whatever.
Hopefully I can get a hold of a Wii next month...doubtful though at this rate.
Oh and chances are I wouldn't have posted in this thread if my 360 was doing poorly.
Yep it's shallow and I'm a bad bad person but hey whatever.
Hopefully I can get a hold of a Wii next month...doubtful though at this rate.
Stoney Mason said:
But it's the process some developers are taking. That's what I don't like. This is a problem for all three consoles. Some developers will be pressured to make a game as user-friendly as possible so that it can achieve a lower content rating and potentially sell to a larger base instead of trying to make the best game possible.
Anyway, I'm off to catch upon some shows I missed earlier.
Chris_C said:
A valid argument could be made that MS has been every bit as adventurous and forward looking as Sony...and that's part of the reason the market leader Sony finds it's next gen console in last place by an incredible margin.
Beginning with the Xbox, MS brought features to the game console world that changed the entire landscape. I don't need to list them, you know what they are.
Do not mistake adventurous and forward looking for shoving an unproven and expensive technology down gamer's throats before asking if they really wanted and needed the tech.
If Sony was a proper leader in the market, they would not have asked their customers to blindly follow them off the side of a cliff. History is laden with the disheveled remains of leaders who in the end, underestimated the sanity and free-will of their loyal followers. Don't lead your customers where they're unwilling to go.
None of this should be a surprise to ANYBODY. Sony has chosen to exert a great deal of pressure on its customer/publisher/developer relationships and loyalty. How anyone thought that was going to be some magical, reality-shattering formula for success is beyond my wildest imagination.
Pureauthor
Member
I think there's a split in terms of viewpoint here.
The defenders of Wii innovation claim that doing things with the Wiimote itself is innovative. They're linking the Wiimote to the innovation, not the software.
Reilo (and gang?) are claiming the opposite - they seek innovation in the software, and as examples they bring up games that used pretty standardized control schemes, etc, thus innovation in the software (gameplay) itself appeared more apparent.
Are we going to consider a lightsaber game on the Wii innovative because it allows you new gameplay options? (Regardless of the fact that it'll be completely awesome, of course.)
The defenders of Wii innovation claim that doing things with the Wiimote itself is innovative. They're linking the Wiimote to the innovation, not the software.
Reilo (and gang?) are claiming the opposite - they seek innovation in the software, and as examples they bring up games that used pretty standardized control schemes, etc, thus innovation in the software (gameplay) itself appeared more apparent.
Are we going to consider a lightsaber game on the Wii innovative because it allows you new gameplay options? (Regardless of the fact that it'll be completely awesome, of course.)
The spoiler was just to not make it hard to readPureauthor said:
I guess you're right about <200 price.. but PS3 really elevated that standart...
Yeah, i know there are not a lot games for casual and nongamers on x360..
But i dont think Halo 3 is going to change the way consumers feel about it..
and i think they feel almost this:
x360=hardcore
ps3=expensive
wii=cheap and fun..
Doesn't Wii allow that too?Pureauthor said:
:/
Stoney Mason
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reilo said:
As long as GTA is on the market and selling crap loads you will have developers trying to follow the money and make what they perceive is adult content. If people don't buy it then they won't.
You keep equating the adult content of the game with the quality and they are not one and the same.
Pureauthor
Member
felipeko said:The spoiler was just to not make it hard to read
I guess you're right about <200 price.. but PS3 really elevated that standart...
Yeah, i know there are not a lot games for casual and nongamers on x360..
But i dont think Halo 3 is going to change the way consumers feel about it..
and i think they feel almost it:
x360=hardcore
ps3=expensive
wii=cheap and fun..
Well, another lapsed gamer on this forum brought up the point that you have one year to cement the impression of your console on the market, after that it sticks.
Thus,
PSP has the impression of 'No games' (despite it not being true)
GCN has the impression of being a 'kiddy console (despite RE4, Geist, etc)
XBox has the impression of a 'American console' (despite... okay, the impression's stuck with me, I can't name examples to the contrary. -_-
etc.
felipeko said:The spoiler was just to not make it hard to read
I guess you're right about <200 price.. but PS3 really elevated that standart...
Yeah, i know there are not a lot games for casual and nongamers on x360..
But i dont think Halo 3 is going to change the way consumers feel about it..
and i think they feel almost this:
x360=hardcore
ps3=expensive
wii=cheap and fun..
Stoney Mason
Banned
Pureauthor said:
Of course. Because that is an experience you can't (theoretically) get on a PS3 or 360. In other words imo Nintendo has the best of both worlds. You an always make innovative software. That's in the hands of the content creators. It was nigh impossible to create innovative games in their control aspect. Wii allows both. (To be fair so would a 360 or PS3 if they weren't using the same sstyle controller we've all been using for over a decade.)
UncleGuito
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maynerd said:
speculawyer
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Pureauthor said:
This is true.
But MSFT can redeem the core by adding a memory card to it and packing it with component/composite cables.
Pureauthor
Member
felipeko said:
Allows, but thus far I think most devs (including Nintendo) are looking at the Wiimote and seeing how to adapt pre-existing gameplay conventions to it. I really think SPM and SMG will be the 'biggest' games this year in terms of software innovation on the Wii (and one of them started as a GCN game)
With all the buzz, media and hype...Pureauthor said:
I dont think Wii impression can change much...
Only if Nintendo doesn't delivers the what mass-market wants...
What they pretty much delivered with Wii Sports...
And i think they will keep doing with the "touch generation"...
Pureauthor
Member
Stoney Mason said:
Exactly my point. Wii defenders go 'It's innovative because you can't get this experience of swinging a lightsaber on the PS3 and 360!'
Reilo (and others) have a different view. They say 'But it's just swinging a lightsaber regardless! We've done that before!'
You see the gap in viewpoints here. *shrug*
Yes, but...
I wasn't really...
Talking about...
The wii there...
Pureauthor
Member
Wiitard said:
Um... yeah... that had nothing to do with my post, you know?
Stoney Mason
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Pureauthor said:
If somebody thinks swinging a baseball bat by pressing a button or using an analog stick is the same as using the Wiimote to play baseball with the same level of fidelity and control and immersion opportunities then yes I see the gap. I think the average person who plays both sees a big difference, however, hence the innovation.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I can't say I have any knowledge of this, but 2/3 of the March tracking period still remains.Zepking said:
Pretty much.Karma Kramer said:
Playing a game differently doesn't make the gameplay different?reilo said:
Frequently people bring up what the "entire point" of the Wii or wiimote is. There is no one entire point. It's there to allow new types of input for new types of games. It's there to play existing types of games. It's there to be user-friendly for people who didn't like standard controllers. It's there for people who want to play NES games.reilo said:
Pureauthor
Member
Wii fitness and Wii music are drawing from real-world pre-existing practices. It's as innovative as your average sports game, as far as I'm concerned.
norinrad21
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BlindN-Fan said:
And even when they were gone for those two generations, they still reminded the world when they were kings.
Nintendo
Is the PS3 still outpacing sales of PS2 and PS1 in the same time frame?
Phil Harrison kept using that line at GDC (see Wired Interview: "PH: We've outsold our preceding platforms for the same time frame, PS1 and PS2, both of which went on to sell more than 100 million units each.")
Curious to see if that is still true after the March NPD? It has to become false soon with these numbers.
Phil Harrison kept using that line at GDC (see Wired Interview: "PH: We've outsold our preceding platforms for the same time frame, PS1 and PS2, both of which went on to sell more than 100 million units each.")
Curious to see if that is still true after the March NPD? It has to become false soon with these numbers.
Pureauthor said:
Don't you see that there are challanges in adapting, say, what an orchestra conductor does to a video game? That there is some room for innovation there?
By the same logic would not shooting aliens be more innovative, in principle, that, say, Wii Sports or, say, any driving game - after it's not based on direct experience.
chibcicylist
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norinrad21 said:And even when they were gone for those two generations, they still reminded the world when they were kings.
Nintendo
Get a room.
Pureauthor
Member
Wiitard said:
Well, not really. The concept of shooting aliens was around prior to video games ever existing.
But the distinction here is that 'shooting aliens' has no real-life model to adhere to - you can have a lot more variety in terms of stylistic and gameplay design for alien shooting than, say, racing (whether or not it's taken advantage of is another issue).
Racing games are more innovative than sports games as a whole because racing can take place in a large variety of locales and/or rules. The problem is that most racers still adhere (or try to match) real-life counterparts, so innovation as a whole is dampened. Mario Kart is the only racer series I would've claimed innovative (and that was promptly copied by who knows how many franchises. >_>)
ComputerNerd
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reilo said:
Honest question. Are you seriously this dense?
I'd say the game play has changed due to the way you play the game changing.:lol :lolreilo said:
But Seriously I believe input devices can change gameplay, for example...
First persoin shooters mouse and keyboard vs Dual analog. Dual analog games often need aim assistance due to the slower preciseness and aim time. that to me is a gameplay change. DDR on a dpad or on a footpad. the footpad gives your whole body an immersion into the game as it changes the gameplay in making it a more full body experience rather than twittling your fingers...input devices change gameplay as gameplay for me is how I the game is to be played.
tahrikmili
Member
This thread is legendary :lol
Go Wii60!
Go Wii60!
dirtmonkey37
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Pureauthor said:
Uh Gears of War?
Uh, Crackdown w/ Halo 3 Beta?
Uh, the cheapest way to get some next-gen Madden?
How's that for casuals?
Microsoft has done more than enough to incentivize purchasing an "xbox" console that does not feature a PS3 game. And the fun really begins in May/June with Mass Effect, Too Human, and others (don't think ME and TH are "mass appeal" games though).
Mike Works
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:lolyoopoo said:
Manmademan
Member
Polari said:
Why do you assume Sony can't afford to do a price drop on the Ps3?
the PSP has been profitable for some time now.
The Ps2 is STILL selling consoles like crazy. It's pretty much all profit at this point.
Blu-Ray has taken a commanding lead over HD-DVD, earlier than anyone expected, and if box office success is any indicator of Blu-Ray sales (and it is) it'll stay that way for some time.
Sony could take advantage of any of these (gaming related) positive revenue streams to justify a price cut on the PS3 hardware, and that's ignoring positive revenue in other areas of the business not related to the Ps3. (movies, Consumer electronics, etc)
The Ps3 already has a price cut in japan. IMO even bringing US prices in line with the jp ones will have a positive effect. surely they CAN do this if they chose to.